[QUOTE=BCell;22873791]So if a country like North Korea offers US help to remove the oil spill, would you accept it?
Obviously not[/QUOTE]
yes, because I'm not a war-mongerer.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22882551]You might think he's bad but if you've ever read the comments on certain Israeli news sites you would realize that it is more comfortable speaking with lunatics and tea baggers. He's nothing close to that.[/QUOTE]
He can just speak more civilized.
[QUOTE=Sickle;22882534]You just fucked up your argument now;
A) You are pro Israeli
B) People can judge from videos, pictures and any amount of sources
C) Israel is clearly wrong in every instance BurnEmDown has defended them.
Now keep your ignorance to yourself.[/QUOTE]
A)Where did I say I'm pro Israeli you tool just because I don't post in every thread and wag my finger at them doesn't mean I agree with what they do.
B)They can but when they say ignorant shit just to be on the bandwagon it doesn't help their argument at all.
C)Israel is wrong in every thread on FP In The News (Yeah they are) but BurnEmDown is the only person who gives a big enough shit to make a balanced argument.
Also he doesn't say apologist every other fucking word.
Also shut up.
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[QUOTE=starpluck;22882603]He can just speak more civilized.[/QUOTE]
You know exactly what I'm talking about I bet, he's a way more moderate Israeli.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22882664]he's a way more moderate Israeli.[/QUOTE]
yeah because defending Israel no matter what they do is "moderate."
the war crimes they've committed are all fictional
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[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22882664]they say ignorant shit just to be on the bandwagon it doesn't help their argument at all.[/QUOTE]
how dare people speak out against war crimes
if several people start speaking out against atrocities they're just doing it to be on a bandwagon :downs:
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22882664]A)Where did I say I'm pro Israeli you tool just because I don't post in every thread and wag my finger at them doesn't mean I agree with what they do.
B)They can but when they say ignorant shit just to be on the bandwagon it doesn't help their argument at all.
C)Israel is wrong in every thread on FP In The News (Yeah they are) but BurnEmDown is the only person who gives a big enough shit to make a balanced argument.
Also he doesn't say apologist every other fucking word.
Also shut up.[/QUOTE]
You implied that you are pro-Israeli per se by saying that BurnEmDown is the only person with the balls to defend his own country.
You said that internet users are incompetent [I]because they aren't there at the moment so they obviously have no idea what is happening[/I]
BurnEmDown makes a biased opinon, not so different from yours, and usually tips the argument over by posting some shitty edited videos and IDF news sites and this causes every fucking person to attack him.
He promotes war crimes.
So you shut up.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22882664]A)Where did I say I'm pro Israeli you tool just because I don't post in every thread and wag my finger at them doesn't mean I agree with what they do.
B)They can but when they say ignorant shit just to be on the bandwagon it doesn't help their argument at all.
C)Israel is wrong in every thread on FP In The News (Yeah they are) but BurnEmDown is the only person who gives a big enough shit to make a balanced argument.
Also he doesn't say apologist every other fucking word.
Also shut up.
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You know exactly what I'm talking about I bet, he's a way more moderate Israeli.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I know. But the difference is that they publicy express their anti-Arab hate.
And I recall you making many pro-Israeli posts
[QUOTE=JDK721;22882765]yeah because defending Israel no matter what they do is "moderate."
the war crimes they've committed are all fictional
[editline]04:50PM[/editline]
how dare people speak out against war crimes
if several people start speaking out against atrocities they're just doing it to be on a bandwagon :downs:[/QUOTE]
Well he certainly doesn't need to critisize that you've got that covered. And yeah it is a bit of a bandwagon when someone honestly believes that Israel is a police state and just keeps its public unaware through propaganda.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22882973]Yeah, I know. But the difference is that they publicy express their anti-Arab hate.
And I recall you making many pro-Israeli posts[/QUOTE]
The hate goes both ways over there. Not that what Israel is doing is right. It's easier to make friends when you don't beat everyone you meet with a stick.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;22883090]The hate goes both ways over there. Not that what Israel is doing is right. It's easier to make friends when you don't beat everyone you meet with a stick.[/QUOTE]
Huh, yeah I know. This was about the average Israeli comment compared to Burnemdown
[QUOTE=starpluck;22882973]And I recall you making many pro-Israeli posts[/QUOTE]
he's an Islamaphobe so it's not really surprising
[QUOTE=Sickle;22882823]You implied that you are pro-Israeli per se by saying that BurnEmDown is the only person with the balls to defend his own country.
You said that internet users are incompetent [I]because they aren't there at the moment so they obviously have no idea what is happening[/I]
BurnEmDown makes a biased opinon, not so different from yours, and usually tips the argument over by posting some shitty edited videos and IDF news sites and this causes every fucking person to attack him.
He promotes war crimes.
So you shut up.[/QUOTE]
I implied nothing you assumed everything. I said a bunch of people on here have no idea what they're talking about because of that post that I QUOTED. I'm pretty sure I haven't made my opinion clear so I guess people just love pulling stuff out of their asses.
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[QUOTE=JDK721;22883163]he's an Islamaphobe so it's not really surprising[/QUOTE]
Everyone who doesn't agree with you is an Islamaphobe. And Islamaphobe or an apologist.
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[QUOTE=starpluck;22882973]Yeah, I know. But the difference is that they publicy express their anti-Arab hate.
And I recall you making many pro-Israeli posts[/QUOTE]
I probably have made a few that doesn't mean I haven't made anti-Israeli posts and it doesn't mean most of the time I don't bother posting because I'm too ambivalent on the issue to even post anything good in the first place.
But I also can't stand some of the stuff you guys post. Suddenly Hamas and Iran are great guys now and 9/11 was retaliation (I can't get if that implies if it was justified or not either way it's pretty sick).
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22883181]I implied nothing you assumed everything. I said a bunch of people on here have no idea what they're talking about because of that post that I QUOTED. I'm pretty sure I haven't made my opinion clear so I guess people just love pulling stuff out of their asses.[/quote]
I read every single Israeli thread on Facepunch and you are pro-Israeli. The only negative remark you made was during the Flotilla but that's it.
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[quote]
Everyone who doesn't agree with you is an Islamaphobe.[/QUOTE]Everyone who doesn't agree with you is a bandwangoner.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22883181]I implied nothing you assumed everything. I said a bunch of people on here have no idea what they're talking about because of that post that I QUOTED. I'm pretty sure I haven't made my opinion clear so I guess people just love pulling stuff out of their asses.
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Everyone who doesn't agree with you is an Islamaphobe. And Islamaphobe or an apologist.
[editline]04:09PM[/editline]
I probably have made a few that doesn't mean I haven't made anti-Israeli posts and it doesn't mean most of the time I don't bother posting because I'm too ambivalent on the issue to even post anything good in the first place.
But I also can't stand some of the stuff you guys post. Suddenly Hamas and Iran are great guys now and 9/11 was retaliation (I can't get if that implies if it was justified or not either way it's pretty sick).[/QUOTE]
Iran was never bad.
Tell me why Iran is so bad then.
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[QUOTE=starpluck;22883258]I read every single Israeli thread on Facepunch and you are pro-Israeli. The only negative remark you made was during the Flotilla but that's it.
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Everyone who doesn't agree with you is a bandwangoner.[/QUOTE]
And if I had posted more BAAW THOSE NAUGHTY JEWS I would be a bandwagoner.
Yeah...
Except no one says that.
Also where did I blindly defend Israel or justify the ridiculous things they've done.
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[QUOTE=starpluck;22883336]Tell me why Iran is so bad then.
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Automerge broke[/QUOTE]
I don't know man theocratic nations don't tend to be exactly good.
And yes I realize the Israeli flag is a Star of David my point still stands.
So that's a legit reason why intervention/sanctions are on place? Because they are a Theocracy? Wow. Did you know the supreme leader declared it "haram" or forbidden to create nukes? Wait what's that? They aren't a theocracy there?
Oh yeah this conversation I remember that. Ok, doesn't Iran provide a large portion of funding for Hamas?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22883181]9/11 was retaliation (I can't get if that implies if it was justified or not either way it's pretty sick).[/QUOTE]
well, it, uh WAS
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[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22883422]Also where did I blindly defend Israel or justify the ridiculous things they've done.
[editline]04:18PM[/editline]
I don't know man theocratic nations don't tend to be exactly good.
And yes I realize the Israeli flag is a Star of David my point still stands.[/QUOTE]
Iran isn't a theocracy
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22883637]Oh yeah this conversation I remember that. Ok, doesn't Iran provide a large portion of funding for Hamas?[/QUOTE]
It's an alledgation.
But yeah, I don't see what's wrong it does what the PA failed to do.
[url]http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/hamas.html#p6[/url]
Hamas*funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues. "Approximately 90 percent of its work is in social, welfare, cultural, and educational activities," writes the Israeli scholar Reuven Paz. The Palestinian Authority often fails to provide such services, and Hamas's efforts in this area—as well as a reputation for honesty, in contrast to the many Fatah officials accused of corruption—help to explain the broad popularity it summoned to defeat Fatah in the PA's recent elections.
[QUOTE=Warhol;22883754]well, it, uh WAS
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Iran isn't a theocracy[/QUOTE]
It was retaliation or it was justified?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22883817]It was retaliation or it was justified?[/QUOTE]
retaliation
[QUOTE=Ridge;22856609]The US SHOULD accept help from countries that offer it, but Iran should not be one of them, IMO.
Iran has a lot to gain by putting their people that close to US shores. It's similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis...[/QUOTE]
The difference is that the us is not in a 20 year long engagement with another superpower that is armed to the teeth and ready to launch a nuclear strike within 10 minutes of the other side, destroying the entire world in nuclear hellfire in approximately 30 minutes.
That's the difference. Besides, what the fuck does Iran have to gain from putting any forces near to America. Not to sound patriotic (Which for another country is a bit weird), but the USA could destroy Iran quite easily in retaliation if Iran actually attacked the US, and it's highly unlikely that Iran could muster sufficient resources to seriously damage the American population, and how the hell do you think that they're going to stealthily slip tanks and missile launchers into an oil spill?
I get the feeling you've been playing too many war games...
I don't see how you Americans could see Iran as a threat, you buy a lot of your oil from Iran and in trading terms may as well be considered allies.
Why not ask Norway for help, we have some of the most experienced people in the world.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22883637]Ok, doesn't Iran provide a large portion of funding for Hamas?[/QUOTE]
I fail to see how this is a valid argument. US pressures Palestine to hold democratic elections. Hamas drops their suicide bombings and rocket attack missions and puts on their Politics hat, just like Sinn Fein/IRA and tries to be re-integrated into the political sphere. But unlike Sinn Fein, the US and Israel refuse their win and punish the Palestinians for voting them into office. The fuck?
In either case, whether you like it or not, Hamas is a democratically elected government in Gaza. If Israel has the right to receive arms and ammunition from America, So does Hamas. If Israel receives monetary aid from outside, so does Hamas.
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[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22883817]It was retaliation or it was justified?[/QUOTE]
Its not like terrorists got up one day and asked themselves "Gee fellas, which country should we attack today?" and then one of their buddies spinned the earth globe model, closed his eyes and randomly selected Virginia, USA as their target. It was retaliation. And just because it was a retaliation does not mean it was in any way justified. Here's some info on KSM:
[quote]The 9/11 Commission Report also notes that, "By his own account, KSM's animus toward the United States stemmed not from his experiences there as a student, [b]but rather from his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel."[/b][/quote]
[quote]After Atta was chosen as the leader of the mission, "he met with Bin Laden to discuss the targets: the World Trade Center, which represented the U.S. economy; the Pentagon, a symbol of the U.S. military; [b]and the U.S. Capitol, the perceived source of U.S. policy in support of Israel.[/b][/quote]
And on Bin Laden:
[quote]Although bin Laden recognized that Atta and the other pilots had only just arrived in the United States to begin their flight training, [b]the al-Qaida leader wanted to punish the United States for supporting Israel[/b]. He allegedly told KSM it would be sufficient simply to down the planes and not hit specific targets.[/quote]
[URL="http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/defense/941.pdf"]Defense Trial Exhibit 941[/URL] from the trial [URL="http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/"]United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui Criminal No. 01-455-A[/URL] states the following:
[release]Sheikh Mohammed said that the purpose of the attack on the Twin Towers was to "wake the American people up." Sheikh Mohammed said that if the target would have been strictly military or government, the American people would not focus on the atrocities that America is committing by supporting Israel against the Palestinian people and America's self-serving foreign policy that corrupts Arab governments and leads to further exploitation of the Arab/Muslim peoples.[/release]
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