• La. prison puts suicidal prisoners in dog-sized cages, makes them wear hot pants
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No they shouldn't
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;23243244]Who cares. It's hilarious. Just like that warden in Arizona (?) who makes his prisoners wear pink, work outside in the hot sun for the state, and live in tents/sleep on cots. More prisons should be like this.[/QUOTE] Wearing pink, working in the sun, and sleeping on cots in tents are not cruel or unusual. But what the fuck is this shit they have here?
[QUOTE=Billiam;23243276]Wearing pink, working in the sun, and sleeping on cots in tents are not cruel or unusual.[/quote] Compared to other prisons, it is unusual. Cruel? Well that's really up to the courts. On one hand, they've all pretty much abolished penal labor (chaingangs and whatnot). On the other, it's still an issue plenty of people and politicians discuss. [quote=Billiam]But what the fuck is this shit they have here?[/QUOTE] A brilliantly amusing idea.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;23243217]It's disgusting to think that the people who do this are not maniacs, but ordinary people[/QUOTE] See: Stanford prison experiment, Milgram experiment
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;23243313]Compared to other prisons, it is unusual. Cruel? Well that's really up to the courts. On one hand, they've all pretty much abolished penal labor (chaingangs and whatnot). On the other, it's still an issue plenty of people and politicians discuss.[/QUOTE] Unusual as in humiliating and cruel as in suffering. It's not very humiliating wearing pink, I don't think many people give a shit, they're still sleeping in relative comfort, and as for the work it's about as on par as a lot of the work an average citizen has to do. [QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;23243313]A brilliantly amusing idea.[/QUOTE] Unnecessary and a blatant disregard of the eight amendment.
Wouldn't that MAKE them suicidal?
Need pics
Oh I hate my state.
[QUOTE=halflambada;23241716]Woah, hey man...I live in Florida.... Central Florida....[/QUOTE] Florida doesn't count as the south. It's full of old/rich people.
What if you get a leg cramp? :ohdear: [editline]11:17PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BANNED USER;23243473]Wouldn't that MAKE them suicidal?[/QUOTE] Yes, much more so.
I'm having a hard time imagining a full grown man fitting in a cage smaller than the minimal legal size for dog cages. Those cages can get pretty fucking small. This is just a small dog cage - not even the minimal legal size: [img]http://www.cilldara.ie/images/small-cage.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Billiam;23243455]Unusual as in humiliating and cruel as in suffering. It's not very humiliating wearing pink, I don't think many people give a shit, they're still sleeping in relative comfort, and as for the work it's about as on par as a lot of the work an average citizen has to do.[/quote] So really it comes down to being a matter of opinion. Evidently, the state judicial system doesn't have a problem with it, otherwise they would have shut it down already. The Supreme Court apparently doesn't either. Before people get to thinking these cages are incredibly small, they're not terrier-dog small. Nothing so small a Mastiff or Great Dane would feel "cramped" in them. [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VLZ5_6CoB8g/SjDUkiFfFsI/AAAAAAAAB6s/1WgYYL3d0pY/s400/dog+cage.jpg[/img] Don't see how this is any worse than putting them in "the hole" or solitary. [quote=Billiam]Unnecessary and a blatant disregard of the eight amendment.[/QUOTE] Again, a matter of opinion. Nobody but the ACLU has thrown a fit about this. Not the state judiciary members, not the Supreme Court. Again, if you're in prison, you've done something stupid to get in there. Really, I could care less if they do this to them. A lot of others apparently agree with me, too.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;23243657]So really it comes down to being a matter of opinion. Evidently, the state judicial system doesn't have a problem with it, otherwise they would have shut it down already. The Supreme Court apparently doesn't either. Before people get to thinking these cages are incredibly small, they're not terrier-dog small. Nothing so small a Mastiff or Great Dane would feel "cramped" in them. [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VLZ5_6CoB8g/SjDUkiFfFsI/AAAAAAAAB6s/1WgYYL3d0pY/s400/dog+cage.jpg[/IMG] Don't see how this is any worse than putting them in "the hole" or solitary. Again, a matter of opinion. Nobody but the ACLU has thrown a fit about this. Not the state judiciary members, not the Supreme Court. Again, if you're in prison, you've done something stupid to get in there.[/QUOTE] how old are you?
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;23243657]So really it comes down to being a matter of opinion. Evidently, the state judicial system doesn't have a problem with it, otherwise they would have shut it down already. The Supreme Court apparently doesn't either. Before people get to thinking these cages are incredibly small, they're not terrier-dog small. Nothing so small a Mastiff or Great Dane would feel "cramped" in them. [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VLZ5_6CoB8g/SjDUkiFfFsI/AAAAAAAAB6s/1WgYYL3d0pY/s400/dog+cage.jpg[/IMG] Don't see how this is any worse than putting them in "the hole" or solitary. Again, a matter of opinion. Nobody but the ACLU has thrown a fit about this. Not the state judiciary members, not the Supreme Court. Again, if you're in prison, you've done something stupid to get in there. Really, I could care less if they do this to them. A lot of others apparently agree with me, too.[/QUOTE] Constitutionality is not a matter of opinion, and the SCOTUS doesn't exactly intervene in local prisons. And it's much worse than the hole, what do you think would make you more suicidal, being isolated, or being publicly humiliated and made a joke among every other prisoner?
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;23243657]So really it comes down to being a matter of opinion. Evidently, the state judicial system doesn't have a problem with it, otherwise they would have shut it down already. The Supreme Court apparently doesn't either. Before people get to thinking these cages are incredibly small, they're not terrier-dog small. Nothing so small a Mastiff or Great Dane would feel "cramped" in them. Don't see how this is any worse than putting them in "the hole" or solitary. Again, a matter of opinion. Nobody but the ACLU has thrown a fit about this. Not the state judiciary members, not the Supreme Court. Again, if you're in prison, you've done something stupid to get in there. Really, I could care less if they do this to them. A lot of others apparently agree with me, too.[/QUOTE] are you a psychopath or something? these people are suicidal. they need mental health treatment.
[QUOTE=Chippay;23243684]how old are you?[/QUOTE] How old are you? Nice Cyrus the Great icon, BTW. [QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23243699]Constitutionality is not a matter of opinion,[/quote] The United States Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment. That's it. Whether or not THIS is a case of cruel and unusual punishment IS a matter of opinion. [quote=Xen Tricks]And it's much worse than the hole,[/quote] Evidently, you don't know the term usage in regards to prisons. It doesn't just refer to solitary confinement; it refers to solitary confinement in a closed room where the offender is exposed to extreme sensory deprivation and, in some cases, it is used for punishment (the means of punishment differing from prison to prison; might be exposure to the elements, for example). [quote=Xen Tricks]what do you think would make you more suicidal, being isolated, or being publicly humiliated and made a joke among every other prisoner?[/QUOTE] It's not about what makes them more or less suicidal; it's about PREVENTING them from committing suicide so they can serve out their sentences for their crime(s). Furthermore, that really depends on what kind of suicidal depression they suffer from. If you just feel isolated and alone, and you are isolated in solitary confinement, you're going to feel a lot more isolated and alone and will probably feel more suicidal depression. On the other hand, if you just feel harassed and bullied, solitary probably will be a good thing for you. [QUOTE=JDK721;23243829]are you a psychopath or something?[/quote] Must be. [quote=JDK721]these people are suicidal. they need mental health treatment.[/QUOTE] These people are convicts. They should expect to be bullied and harassed. They should have expected this when they committed their crimes which made them convicts in the first place... my advice if you want to avoid their situation: DON'T BREAK THE LAW. Really, it's very simple. Why people worry so much about what happens to these people is beyond me. Unless they have a concern that they may, for whatever reason, end up in prison...
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;23243945]it's about PREVENTING them from committing suicide so they can serve out their sentences for their crime(s).[/QUOTE] so the best and most humane way of preventing them from committing suicide is to put them in a cage that is smaller than the legal size for dogs? just deny them mental health treatment and leave them in a cage all day instead of actually helping them? [editline]11:46PM[/editline] and not let them use the bathroom?
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;23243945]How old are you? Nice Cyrus the Great icon, BTW. The United States Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment. That's it. Whether or not THIS is a case of cruel and unusual punishment IS a matter of opinion. Evidently, you don't know the term usage in regards to prisons. It doesn't just refer to solitary confinement; it refers to solitary confinement in a closed room where the offender is exposed to extreme sensory deprivation and, in some cases, it is used for punishment (the means of punishment differing from prison to prison; might be exposure to the elements, for example). It's not about what makes them more or less suicidal; it's about PREVENTING them from committing suicide so they can serve out their sentences for their crime(s). Furthermore, that really depends on what kind of suicidal depression they suffer from. If you just feel isolated and alone, and you are isolated in solitary confinement, you're going to feel a lot more isolated and alone and will probably feel more suicidal depression. On the other hand, if you just feel harassed and bullied, solitary probably will be a good thing for you. Must be. These people are convicts. They should expect to be bullied and harassed. They should have expected this when they committed their crimes which made them convicts in the first place... my advice if you want to avoid their situation: DON'T BREAK THE LAW. Really, it's very simple. Why people worry so much about what happens to these people is beyond me. Unless they have a concern that they may, for whatever reason, end up in prison...[/QUOTE] I know what the hole is, thank you. And even if you feel isolated and alone, this is not the ideal way or dealing with that. You shouldn't punish people because they're mentally challenged, where did you get the idea that our prison system is intended (though sadly used as) pure punishment rather than a ways to rehabilitation? Your blanket condemnation of all prisoners is just stupid.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;23243945]These people are convicts. They should expect to be bullied and harassed. They should have expected this when they committed their crimes which made them convicts in the first place... my advice if you want to avoid their situation: DON'T BREAK THE LAW. Really, it's very simple. Why people worry so much about what happens to these people is beyond me. Unless they have a concern that they may, for whatever reason, end up in prison...[/QUOTE] My concern is that there are people in this society who would treat others inhumanely. When those people are not the ones locked up and receiving help, but the ones locking others up and preventing them from receiving help, something's wrong.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;23243945]These people are convicts. They should expect to be bullied and harassed. They should have expected this when they committed their crimes which made them convicts in the first place... my advice if you want to avoid their situation: DON'T BREAK THE LAW. Really, it's very simple. Why people worry so much about what happens to these people is beyond me. Unless they have a concern that they may, for whatever reason, end up in prison...[/QUOTE] that is absolutely terrible logic. two wrongs don't make a right. they messed up and broke the law, but that doesn't give anyone the right to treat them inhumanely like this.
They need to do something, with all those suicidal prisoners just hanging around
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;23243657] [img_thumb]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VLZ5_6CoB8g/SjDUkiFfFsI/AAAAAAAAB6s/1WgYYL3d0pY/s400/dog+cage.jpg[/img_thumb] Don't see how this is any worse than putting them in "the hole" or solitary. [/QUOTE] You can't see much can you
[QUOTE=JDK721;23243976]so the best and most humane way of preventing them from committing suicide is to put them in a cage that is smaller than the legal size for dogs?[/quote] All that should be worried about is if it prevents them from committing suicide. And it does. How are they going to kill themselves? They can't hang themselves. Really, there's no method of suicide that needs to be worried about that they couldn't attempt in solitary as it is (like chewing through their wrists, which has actually happened before, BTW). [quote=JDK721]just deny them mental health treatment and leave them in a cage all day instead of actually helping them?[/quote] Why should they receive any special mental health treatment? We should be more concerned about the people who haven't broken the law and sent to prison. You know, the innocents that these convicts have been incarcerated from to protect. My advice: DON'T BREAK THE LAW, YOU WON'T WIND UP IN PRISON. [quote=JDK721]and not let them use the bathroom?[/QUOTE] Oh how horrible. You have a four-cornered space. Use one of them. This is as funny as the prisoners in the UK who were complaining about "repetitive food menus". [url]http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Prisoners-complain-repetitive-menu/article-2383058-detail/article.html[/url] [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/5wf6yo.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23244030]I know what the hole is, thank you.[/quote] Do you now. [quote=Xen Tricks]And even if you feel isolated and alone, this is not the ideal way or dealing with that.[/quote] FACT: This is an opinion. [quote=Xen Tricks]You shouldn't punish people because they're mentally challenged,[/quote] This isn't punishment as much as it is keeping them from committing suicide. That's why they have "Boxes" and solitary cells, too, you know... guess you didn't. [quote=Xen Tricks]where did you get the idea that our prison system is intended (though sadly used as) pure punishment rather than a ways to rehabilitation?[/quote] The authorization in the Constitution for federal and state governments to incarcerate convicts of felony offenses... and that's at the most lenient level. [quote=Xen Tricks]Your blanket condemnation of all prisoners is just stupid.[/QUOTE] And your fantasy of love and peace towards prisoners is naive. Go visit a prison sometime. [QUOTE=ThePuska;23244066]My concern is that there are people in this society who would treat others inhumanely.[/quote] People do that anyway. Humane and inhumane things are matters of opinion and points of view, no different than morals. Which is why it's so ridiculous when people argue on "moral" grounds. [quote=ThePuska]When those people are not the ones locked up and receiving help, but the ones locking others up and preventing them from receiving help, something's wrong.[/QUOTE] Prison is not about receiving "help" or "rehabilitation". It is about incarcerating indivuals who have broken the law (and are therein felons) from those who are innocent so that they may receive punishment for what they have done (thereby rehabilitating them, by convincing them not to wind back up in prison... because, let's face it, it's not about comfort; far from it), so that the innocents may live as comfortably as possible. Really, that's the gist of it. [QUOTE=JDK721;23244080]that is absolutely terrible logic. two wrongs don't make a right.[/quote] No, THIS is absolutely terrible logic. Right and wrong = POINTS OF VIEW. Points of view are different from person to person. I really have no actual opinionated point of view on this, as in I don't want to change anything with what Louisiana is doing. What is my opinionated point of view? "More prisons should be doing this; this is hilarious; it really makes sane people not want to become prisoners." [quote=JDK721]they messed up and broke the law, but that doesn't give anyone the right to treat them inhumanely like this.[/QUOTE] Again, it's really not inhumane. No more so than extreme sensory deprivation is. This is all a matter of opinion for people who want to change the system, though. I, on the otherhand, do not care about changing the system. Not like you all do. LOL @ this thread. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Massive troll" - Lithifold))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;23244116]Oh how horrible. You have a four-cornered space. Use one of them. This is as funny as the prisoners in the UK who were complaining about "repetitive food menus". [/QUOTE] Oh my god You need to stop posting ASAP
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;23244116]All that should be worried about is if it prevents them from committing suicide. And it does. How are they going to kill themselves? They can't hang themselves. Really, there's no method of suicide that needs to be worried about that they couldn't attempt in solitary as it is (like chewing through their wrists, which has actually happened before, BTW). Why should they receive any special mental health treatment? We should be more concerned about the people who haven't broken the law and sent to prison. You know, the innocents that these convicts have been incarcerated from to protect. My advice: DON'T BREAK THE LAW, YOU WON'T WIND UP IN PRISON. Oh how horrible. You have a four-cornered space. Use one of them. This is as funny as the prisoners in the UK who were complaining about "repetitive food menus". [URL]http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Prisoners-complain-repetitive-menu/article-2383058-detail/article.html[/URL] [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/5wf6yo.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Jesus, you are a psychopath. These are fucking people, not monsters, they deserve basic human rights and reasonable treatment. It's fair to say a majority of people in jail aren't serial rapist-murderer-arsonists, and they obviously don't deserve this.
LunchboxOfDoom has to be a troll, I cannot come up with any other explanation that doesn't warrant the systematic extermination of the entire human race
LunchboxOfDoom, I assume you're an alt? [editline]12:05AM[/editline] and apparently he enjoys cannibalism: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=23194065&postcount=2[/url] why am I not surprised
We really are going backwards in society..
hey lunch guy, totally regardless of your dumb sociopathic beliefs that you apparently believe yourself badass for holding (compassion and humanity are more badass btw), you still like shitty ancient memes and think lowest common denominator trolling is cool [editline]10:06PM[/editline] not only are you owning yourself you're acting all transparently smug about it [editline]10:07PM[/editline] at this point there is nothing you could post that would not be another shovelful of dirt out of the "giant dilz" hole you're digging yourself into
[QUOTE=Vinh255;23243563]Florida doesn't count as the south. It's full of old/rich people.[/QUOTE] Most of Florida is more backwards than even the worst parts of Mississippi, Alabama, Louisana, etc. It's just heavily populated areas (Tallahassee, Orlando, Miami, etc,) that tend to be more civilized.
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