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The claim that a subculture is glorifying violence, sex, and drugs is one and the same as the ones levied against those other genres. I don't see how it's so different
[QUOTE=Oberleutnant;48562355]Except you didn't though? Also Straight Out Of Compton came out almost 30 years ago.[/QUOTE] I went down the top 40 chart, and showed how the vast majority included those things. I know that straight out of Compton came out 30 years ago, but it's also on last week's top 40 billboard chart along with a few other songs by N.W.A, probably because of the movie. [editline]28th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48562361]The claim that a subculture is glorifying violence, sex, and drugs is one and the same as the ones levied against those other genres. I don't see how it's so different[/QUOTE] Isak. said that it didn't glorify that stuff, but instead was about getting out of the ghetto and providing for your family. I disagreed and said that it glorified those negative things. This is what I mean by context. It seems you agree with my point.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48561597]I guess Mumford and Sons are the peak of indie music and indie is entirely about the banjos. Not gonna bother defending hip-hop to somebody who thinks it's entirely about crime. Not worth my time. Stupidest shit I've heard all week.[/QUOTE] How about you actually bring something to the table other than "no that isn't what it's about you ignorant person educate yourself" because really that's all I'm seeing. [QUOTE=.Isak.;48561679]I'm not wrong, so no.[/QUOTE] Pathetic.
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;48562414]How about you actually bring something to the table other than "no that isn't what it's about you ignorant person educate yourself" because really that's all I'm seeing. Pathetic.[/QUOTE] I'd love to actually provide quotes from albums like To Pimp a Butterfly, but I'm on mobile with no access to my PC. I mentioned the Fight or Flight Remix by Lil Herb. He's a prominent drill rapper that is popular in Chicago, and drill music is exceptionally popular in traps. He directly says that he cares only about his family, because nobody else, not even the police, care about him - and that it's a shame that he has to carry a gun for protection. Drill is a genre known for glorifying gang culture - and here's the most prominent figure of the sub genre behind Chief Keef actively speaking about his situation and how shit it is. Going down the top 40 (rap charts, not hip hop and R&B), Wiz Khalifa's See You Again is about losing a friend with no real references to any type of drugs or violence. Drake's Back to Back is a diss track to another prominent rapper with zero threats of violence - meek's gonna make him buy bottles for someone he hated and he rips into his relationship. Zero violence. Drake's Hotline Bling is a love song, sorta. Meek Mill's All Eyes On You is a song about his girlfriend. Hit the Quan is a nonsense vine viral dance track, no violence. Flo Rida's I Don't Like It I Love It is a generic party track about alcohol where he says to celebrate life. In the top 15, more than half don't even mention violence. #15 T-Wayne's Nasty Freestyle explicitly says his "boys will roll up on you," Straight Outta Compton is a revived song from decades ago as is Eazy-E's song, so they shouldn't be considered for modern rap. RHQ's Flex is about getting rich and having women and drugs - any rockstar from the 70's glorified the exact same shit. He doesn't say anything about violence. Even then, NWA makes songs like Express Yourself. Ice Cube made a song called It Was A Good Day about how happy he was that nobody was killed today and everything was calm and peaceful. If he advocated violence in NWA that'd be a terrible day. It's blatantly obvious that sgman cherry picks phrases out of songs to make people seem more violent. I don't see how people here can support the legalization of marijuana and then say "that rapper is a thug he's talking about doing drugs!!" Anyone with a passing knowledge of hip-hop knows how absurd the idea is - every gangster rapper has at least one song that condemns everything and asks for peace.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48562627] It's blatantly obvious that you cherry pick phrases out of songs to make people seem more violent. I don't see how people here can support the legalization of marijuana and then say "that rapper is a thug he's talking about doing drugs!!"[/QUOTE] Nah, I just prefer to believe the person who brings data to an argument over "No you don't understand". Was that so hard? This makes your point a lot more salient and understandable.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48562361]The claim that a subculture is glorifying violence, sex, and drugs is one and the same as the ones levied against those other genres. I don't see how it's so different[/QUOTE] Ironically, it's the same thing said about violence in video games. Everyone on this forum would defend to the death that video games don't cause violence - but now violence in hip-hop is inspiring violent activity? It's a reflection of a toxic, violent, virulent subculture and the art that people create from it. Does that mean video games are a reflection of the innate bloodlust and violence of game developers? If you flip almost any topic that FP disagrees with onto a direct parallel to video games, they'd agree with it.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48561257]How the fuck is Tupac about uniting gangs when he and biggie were both murdered by each other's gangs? 1990s "gangsta" rap was all about violence and appearing macho. Nothing more.[/QUOTE] If that's all you've heard from 1990s gangsta rap, I'm afraid you haven't been listening very well. For example, look at Fuck tha Police by NWA. It's very much a violent and macho song, no arguing there. The lyrics discuss shootouts with the law, with gruesome detail, and the chorus is simply shouting "fuck that police" angrily. But only violent and macho? Not by a long shot. The lyrics reflect a distrust of the law, and how it is enforced unequally. Passages like "Searching my car, looking for the product/Thinking every nigga is selling narcotics" protest racial profiling, while "But don't let it be a black and a white one/'Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top/Black police showing out for the white cop" discuss how the system affects people on both sides of the thin blue line. When you see that, the violence and swagger takes on a new light. It isn't simply anger for the sake of anger, there is a cathartic element. The machismo isn't simply swagger for the sake of swagger, but an act of defiance against the system, a refusal to be subjugated. It's a reflection of the conditions they grew up in, and anger at the system. It's funny that you mention Biggie in the same post. Ever listened to Juicy? [video=youtube;_JZom_gVfuw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZom_gVfuw[/video] Just a standard brag rap, right? It's all about cars, women, luxury, drugs, and how much better his life is than yours, right? I mean, just look at these lyrics. [quote]Condos in Queens, indo for weeks Sold out seats to hear Biggie Smalls speak [b]Livin' life without fear[/b] Puttin' 5 karats in my baby girl's ear[/quote] (emphasis mine) These are four words, easy to miss. In a song about how all his most wild, gratuitous dreams are coming true, sandwiched between lines about how he sells out venues wherever he goes and one about how he can spoil his daughter with lavish jewelery, these four words. This is the portrait of his state of mind in the ghetto. Even the most basic sense of safety, the ability of being able to go about your day without looking over your shoulder, seems as unattainable as wild, national fame, and all the luxuries that come with it. Dismissing an entire genre/subgenre out of hand just because you haven't taken the time to do any more than glean a surface understanding is lazy. [editline]28th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=.Isak.;48562677]Ironically, it's the same thing said about violence in video games. Everyone on this forum would defend to the death that video games don't cause violence - but now violence in hip-hop is inspiring violent activity? It's a reflection of a toxic, violent, virulent subculture and the art that people create from it. Does that mean video games are a reflection of the innate bloodlust and violence of game developers? If you flip almost any topic that FP disagrees with onto a direct parallel to video games, they'd agree with it.[/QUOTE] Yeah. Here's a forum that simply went on and on complaining about tweets complaining about violence at E3 or whatever, but turn around to rap music and suddenly this place sounds like the PMRC back in the 80s.
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48562684]If that's all you've heard from 1990s gangsta rap, I'm afraid you haven't been listening very well. For example, look at Fuck tha Police by NWA. It's very much a violent and macho song, no arguing there. The lyrics discuss shootouts with the law, with gruesome detail, and the chorus is simply shouting "fuck that police" angrily. But only violent and macho? Not by a long shot. The lyrics reflect a distrust of the law, and how it is enforced unequally. Passages like "Searching my car, looking for the product/Thinking every nigga is selling narcotics" protest racial profiling, while "But don't let it be a black and a white one/'Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top/Black police showing out for the white cop" discuss how the system affects people on both sides of the thin blue line. When you see that, the violence and swagger takes on a new light. It isn't simply anger for the sake of anger, there is a cathartic element. The machismo isn't simply swagger for the sake of swagger, but an act of defiance against the system, a refusal to be subjugated. It's a reflection of the conditions they grew up in, and anger at the system. It's funny that you mention Biggie in the same post. Ever listened to Juicy? [video=youtube;_JZom_gVfuw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZom_gVfuw[/video] Just a standard brag rap, right? It's all about cars, women, luxury, drugs, and how much better his life is than yours, right? I mean, just look at these lyrics. (emphasis mine) These are four words, easy to miss. In a song about how all his most wild, gratuitous dreams are coming true, sandwiched between lines about how he sells out venues wherever he goes and one about how he can spoil his daughter with lavish jewelery, these four words. This is the portrait of his state of mind in the ghetto. Even the most basic sense of safety, the ability of being able to go about your day without looking over your shoulder, seems as unattainable as wild, national fame, and all the luxuries that come with it. Dismissing an entire genre/subgenre out of hand just because you haven't taken the time to do any more than glean a surface understanding is lazy.[/QUOTE] Thank you. Rap is a genre chock full of subtleties. A passing glance over them is not enough to make a judgment. Tupac is quoted as saying numerous times that people will quote what he's said and use it to slander him, ignoring who he is as a person and his larger personality and goals. Calling him a gangster rapper that was promoting violence is pure ignorance of the genre when he has so many songs critical of violence. One of my favorite new-school rappers is Future, because he appears to actively glorify drug culture and lean use, but if you glance at the subtleties in his songs you see him admitting to having a drug problem and using drugs to dull the pain of the end of a relationship. He's not meant to be a role model for little kids, but he paints a picture of a complicated character that actively knows he's abusing drugs to mask his emotional pain and is incredibly self-critical because of it. Skimming the lyrics of the top 40 won't show you that aspect of Future. It won't show you that side of most rappers. The reason a lot of people consider Tupac the greatest rapper is because his biggest hits were his down-to-earth songs like Dear Mama and his gangster rap songs have been largely forgotten. Most rappers have those songs, they're just not their #1 hits. [editline]28th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Gray Altoid;48562660]Nah, I just prefer to believe the person who brings data to an argument over "No you don't understand". Was that so hard? This makes your point a lot more salient and understandable.[/QUOTE] It was hard, writing replies on Facepunch on Safari is a pain in the ass, but it's worth it to dispel some of these misleading ideas.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48561138]The majority of popular rap and hip-hop I've heard are more about using your new found money to dominate your enemies, have a lot of sex, and do a lot drugs. I don't know if I've ever heard popular hip-hop/rap about finally being able to get a good education and start a stable family. I just went and looked at the top 40 hip-hop songs right now, and they consist of: 1) Can't Feel my Face: According to Google this one is about doing cocaine 2) Watch me: It's a dance song... so not really relevant either way 3) The Hills: The lyrics speak for themselves: "I'ma let you know and keep it simple Tryna keep it up, don't seem so simple I just fucked two bitches 'fore I saw you You gon' have to do it at my tempo Always tryna send me off to rehab Drugs start to feeling like it's decaf I'm just tryna live life for the moment And all these motherfuckers want a real love" So, basically, have as much sex as possible, and do a lot of drugs, because love doesn't mean much of anything. 4) 679: Again, have lots of sex, and drugs. This one also talks about his guns and how you don't mess with him because he'll call his friends. So basically, it's a gang. My perosonal favorite couple lines: "They like, Monty, can you be my baby daddy, I'm like yeah I got robins on my jeans, you see the wings on every pair All you see is Remy Boyz, you know my niggas everywhere And if somebody got a problem, we could meet up anywhere" 5) Trap Queen: Basically the same thing, have a lot of sex, do a lot of drugs, and spend your money to show it off with expensive cars. Here's a the chorus: "And I get high with my baby I just left the mall, I'm getting fly with my baby, yeah And I can ride with my baby I be in the kitchen cooking pies with my baby, yeah And I can ride with my baby" Alright, that's enough to show the point. Generally, hip-hop/rap stars don't talk about getting out of the ghetto. They talk about living the ghetto life, but without the bad consequences.[/QUOTE] We need more of this shit [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4o8TeqKhgY[/media]
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48562627] It's blatantly obvious that sgman cherry picks phrases out of songs to make people seem more violent. I don't see how people here can support the legalization of marijuana and then say "that rapper is a thug he's talking about doing drugs!!" Anyone with a passing knowledge of hip-hop knows how absurd the idea is - every gangster rapper has at least one song that condemns everything and asks for peace.[/QUOTE] This is overall a pretty stupid argument to even try to make. People write songs about all sorts of stuff regardless of whether they endorse those ideas. Drugs, sex, and violence aren't topics exclusively found in hip hop. People shit on metal all the time for being violent and try to extend that to fans of metal or musicians in that scene. Most of the time it's bullshit, but there is something to be said about the frequency of these themes showing up in these sorts of genres. Hip hop is filled with unsavory themes and that's ok. Not everyone has to be like MF Doom, Immortal Technique or Little Brother. Trying to pretend that these artists are the norm or the best representation of the genre is a stretch. The whole thing is a red herring. Few people want to be poor. Few people want to live in awful conditions. Few people will go out of their way to stay in the dumps of society willingly. Poverty is a multifaceted issue as you and others have stated, and even though people might not want to admit it improving security by increasing police presence is an important step. Convincing trained specialists and educators to work in under privileged areas requires some degree of stability, higher wages, and investment into all sorts of public resources in those areas. If societies can't provide those things, these under privileged areas are going to have to depend on the sheer dumb luck of enough trained people having it in the kindness of their hearts to put themselves at a tremendous disadvantage for an incredible amount of thankless work. It's awful no matter how you slice it, which is probably why it persists to this day. Personally I think fixing the schools is the first step, particularly if we can handle practical educational material like filing your taxes and basic financial advice. Trade skills would also be a good move. As much as we like to pretend, not everyone is cut out for academia, and a lot of academic pursuits will leave you damn near penniless without a patron of some sort.
I'm not sure which is worse: super-nerdy white boys writing essays about gangsta rap or the ususal FP talk on BLM.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48562370]I went down the top 40 chart, and showed how the vast majority included those things. I know that straight out of Compton came out 30 years ago, but it's also on last week's top 40 billboard chart along with a few other songs by N.W.A, probably because of the movie. [/QUOTE] So what are the metrics used to define "top 40" for the billboard chart? Is there a breakdown on songs being played based state/city/region? I doubt that they'd be specific enough to collect data based on race for who listens to which songs on which radio stations at specific times, but I would expect there to be something about. If there is, it'd be possible to look for patterns of listenership intersected with both region and race proportions in that area. For example, if we take the LA area, we could see which radio stations are tuned into most frequently based on area (East LA, the Hollywood hills, college compuses, etc.), then see the number of replays of certain songs. Then we can take census data to make a map of racial distribution (although the census I think already has that). Based on that we could infer whether or not certain types of songs are preferred by different groups of people in each region as a whole, which of course, may still not be the case. Now of course this has its own issues, but they stem from the fact that I don't know how they measure popularity. Do they just use radio stations? Purchases on itunes? Listens on websites like spotify or youtube? Or some mix? It'd actually be pretty easy to make a conclusion if we knew that, particularly if we're just focusing on urban ghettos, which are predominantly black. In other words, I'm not sure if the billboard chart is representative of the category of people Isak is talking about. "Americans" as a whole sure, but without knowing more specifics about how the data is collected and categorized it's sort of difficult to take the top 40 chart as conclusive proof that this specific type of rap music is the rap music that is more often listened to urban ghettos. With that said, I'm not sure why I even typed any of that since I'm pretty sure most people living in ghettos want a better life, rap music or no rap msuic, but I wasted 5 minutes of my life doing it so might as well post it. [editline]28th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ziron;48562849]I'm not sure which is worse: super-nerdy white boys writing essays about gangsta rap or the ususal FP talk on BLM.[/QUOTE] I'd say both can be pretty cringe inducing. Its like "how can I awkwardly discuss a topic I had to google five minutes ago to perpetuate a FP circle jerk." At least Isak (I'm not going to say whether or not I agree with him, or fall in either direction 100%) seems to have pretty solid background knowledge on this.
I would just like to note that these assholes are not the entirety of the BLM movement, many more are just simple peaceful protesters rather than loud and obnoxious jerks like these. It's like saying that everyone in the Civil Rights movement had the mentality of the Black Panthers.
[QUOTE=Ziron;48562849]I'm not sure which is worse: super-nerdy white boys writing essays about gangsta rap or the ususal FP talk on BLM.[/QUOTE] I dunno man, when I was in college all my white ass roommates would constantly play rap to try to pretend they were cool, was totally cringier than this.
[QUOTE=Ziron;48562849]I'm not sure which is worse: super-nerdy white boys writing essays about gangsta rap or the ususal FP talk on BLM.[/QUOTE] At least the nerdy white kids are culturally and racially inclusive and don't disparage a movement trying to increase police accountability.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48562875]I dunno man, when I was in college all my white ass roommates would constantly play rap to try to pretend they were cool, was totally cringier than this.[/QUOTE] can a white person not genuinely like rap? Why would you assume that about them?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48563090]can a white person not genuinely like rap? Why would you assume that about them?[/QUOTE] There's liking rap, and then there is blasting " I'm a good ass nigga, I need no luck" out your speakers in your apartment for like two weeks straight.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48562897]At least the nerdy white kids are culturally and racially inclusive and don't disparage a movement trying to increase police accountability.[/QUOTE] So trying to imply that people who disagree with you are racists and assholes. Won't help you sway any hearts around here.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48562627]I'd love to actually provide quotes from albums like To Pimp a Butterfly, but I'm on mobile with no access to my PC. I mentioned the Fight or Flight Remix by Lil Herb. He's a prominent drill rapper that is popular in Chicago, and drill music is exceptionally popular in traps. He directly says that he cares only about his family, because nobody else, not even the police, care about him - and that it's a shame that he has to carry a gun for protection. Drill is a genre known for glorifying gang culture - and here's the most prominent figure of the sub genre behind Chief Keef actively speaking about his situation and how shit it is. Going down the top 40 (rap charts, not hip hop and R&B), Wiz Khalifa's See You Again is about losing a friend with no real references to any type of drugs or violence. Drake's Back to Back is a diss track to another prominent rapper with zero threats of violence - meek's gonna make him buy bottles for someone he hated and he rips into his relationship. Zero violence. Drake's Hotline Bling is a love song, sorta. Meek Mill's All Eyes On You is a song about his girlfriend. Hit the Quan is a nonsense vine viral dance track, no violence. Flo Rida's I Don't Like It I Love It is a generic party track about alcohol where he says to celebrate life. In the top 15, more than half don't even mention violence. #15 T-Wayne's Nasty Freestyle explicitly says his "boys will roll up on you," Straight Outta Compton is a revived song from decades ago as is Eazy-E's song, so they shouldn't be considered for modern rap. RHQ's Flex is about getting rich and having women and drugs - any rockstar from the 70's glorified the exact same shit. He doesn't say anything about violence. Even then, NWA makes songs like Express Yourself. Ice Cube made a song called It Was A Good Day about how happy he was that nobody was killed today and everything was calm and peaceful. If he advocated violence in NWA that'd be a terrible day. It's blatantly obvious that sgman cherry picks phrases out of songs to make people seem more violent. I don't see how people here can support the legalization of marijuana and then say "that rapper is a thug he's talking about doing drugs!!" Anyone with a passing knowledge of hip-hop knows how absurd the idea is - every gangster rapper has at least one song that condemns everything and asks for peace.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=.Isak.;48561239]The Weeknd is not hip-hop and it's the last type of song you'd hear in downtown Chicago or Compton. Fetty Wap is hugely popular among white teen audiences, not a whole lot more. A passing Google search isn't going to show you anything about decades of hip-hop culture. I've liked rap for a decade and I've been a mega fan for 5 years. Tupac's thug life motto was about uniting gangs. Dr. Dre's newest album has graphic imagery of Compton life that cannot be construed as positive. You have popular Chicago drill rappers like Lil Herb collaborating with legends like Common to make tracks about ending the cycle of violence. There's phenomenally popular artists like Kendrick Lamar making multiple concept albums about the toxicity of gang culture. You have The Game making albums like The Documentary portraying his own life struggles in violent areas. Making such a huge assumption about one of the most varied genres of music in history based on the works of two artists, one of whom isn't a rapper and one of whom is a top 40 pop star, is laughable. The rap people listen to in ghettoes is not top 40 pop rap.[/QUOTE] "I'm going to dismiss your evidence by saying it's mostly popular with white teen girls, then use examples mostly popular with white teen girls." It's funny, because you say that the rap people listen to in ghettos is not top 40 pop rap, but you don't even realize that not all ghettos are the same, and that tastes in rap will vary by geographic location. Down here, it's all about Boosie. In fact, it's his style of rap you're going to hear most of down here. Boosie, Webbie, Foxx, all them. You can't sit here and say that the hip-hop culture where you live is the only legitimate one.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48563614]"I'm going to dismiss your evidence by saying it's mostly popular with white teen girls, then use examples mostly popular with white teen girls." It's funny, because you say that the rap people listen to in ghettos is not top 40 pop rap, but you don't even realize that not all ghettos are the same, and that tastes in rap will vary by geographic location. Down here, it's all about Boosie. In fact, it's his style of rap you're going to hear most of down here. Boosie, Webbie, Foxx, all them. You can't sit here and say that the hip-hop culture where you live is the only legitimate one.[/QUOTE] He was already called out on his shit, he doesn't care he can't be wrong.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48563629]He was already called out on his shit, he doesn't care he can't be wrong.[/QUOTE] I'm sure from his perspective on where he is, he is right. But that's not universal.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48563380]There's liking rap, and then there is blasting " I'm a good ass nigga, I need no luck" out your speakers in your apartment for like two weeks straight.[/QUOTE] So they're not allowed to like a certain song because of the context? Would you also say that Cops should not play GTA?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48563691]So they're not allowed to like a certain song because of the context? Would you also say that Cops should not play GTA?[/QUOTE] No, you assumptive bigot, I'm just saying that it was really annoying. Not everything is life or death about somebody's outlook on the general consistencies of life.
[QUOTE=Ziron;48562849]I'm not sure which is worse: super-nerdy white boys writing essays about gangsta rap[/QUOTE] Only white Europeans can discuss classical music, right?
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48563614]"I'm going to dismiss your evidence by saying it's mostly popular with white teen girls, then use examples mostly popular with white teen girls." It's funny, because you say that the rap people listen to in ghettos is not top 40 pop rap, but you don't even realize that not all ghettos are the same, and that tastes in rap will vary by geographic location. Down here, it's all about Boosie. In fact, it's his style of rap you're going to hear most of down here. Boosie, Webbie, Foxx, all them. You can't sit here and say that the hip-hop culture where you live is the only legitimate one.[/QUOTE] I wasn't saying that at all. I'm not even from Chicago, I'm from Texas, and my favorite rappers are from LA and ATL. I just wanted to refute him sayin that top 40 rap is about drugs and sex and that somehow makes it bad and gangster. I can't speak for boosie and NO and the Deep South in general because it's not my style of music, but I tried to use varying examples. ATL rap and Chicago rap are both huge and both are very different stylistically. There's loads of gaps in my knowledge of hip-hop and I'm not gonna pretend to know everything about it, but I'm just trying to display that rap is a product of the culture of an area and not vice versa.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48557199]IDK, it's not uncommon for people similar to BLM to dismiss wealthy black people/black people who don't totally sympathize/very educated black people/etc. as "oreos," "uncle toms," or "house niggers." I've personally had Tiger Woods, Colin Powell, and Condoleezza Rice unironically called these things to my face.[/QUOTE] So you're criticizing this movement for something that "it's not uncommon for people similar to [them]" to do? Look, rushing the stage at Sanders' rally was a shit move. But booing a mayor for doing the opposite of what you want them to do is [i]fair game[/i].
Did I just walk into a PTA meeting during the early 90's Do people here seriously believe that rap music causes violence, or that rap music is a simple enough genre to generalize based on the top 40 hits Also, stuff like NWA isn't supposed to be taken at face value jeez
[QUOTE=Zeke129;48563954]So you're criticizing this movement for something that "it's not uncommon for people similar to [them]" to do? Look, rushing the stage at Sanders' rally was a shit move. But booing a mayor for doing the opposite of what you want them to do is [I]fair game[/I].[/QUOTE] Well, I can't really say exactly like BLM because there is no such thing as actual BLM. It's an amorphous movement with a whole lot of different people and no clear leader. So the best I can do is "people like BLM." I was just responding to your comment about BLM only going after white people being a myth. My point was that many of the black people I know who associate with groups like BLM wouldn't consider a wealthy black politician who isn't exactly in line with their own beliefs as a "real" black person.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48563704]No, you assumptive bigot.[/QUOTE] So I'm a bigot because I disagree with you?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48564303]So I'm a bigot because I disagree with you?[/QUOTE] No, you're a bigot for making up a position I don't even have and trying to argue against it, all I said was my white roommates blasting that music for two weeks was annoying and cringe-worthy, and you try to turn that on its head to assume that I mean all this other sorts of shit that I didn't even say. Even if I had those positions, what would be wrong with having them, your immediate hostility towards a perceived different viewpoint is why I called you a bigot, that's exactly what the process of doing that is. Screw off with that crap.
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