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[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48564321]No, you're a bigot for making up a position I don't even have and trying to argue against it, all I said was my white roommates blasting that music for two weeks was annoying and cringe-worthy, and you try to turn that on its head to assume that I mean all this other sorts of shit that I didn't even say.[/QUOTE] You said: [QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48562875]I dunno man, when I was in college all my white ass roommates would constantly play rap to try to pretend they were cool, was totally cringier than this.[/QUOTE] This sounds very much like you believe white people aren't allowed to like rap, and if they play it they're just posers. [QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48564321]Even if I had those positions [I](that white people aren't allowed to like rap)[/I], what would be wrong with having them? Your immediate hostility towards a perceived different viewpoint is why I called you a bigot, that's exactly what the process of doing that is. Screw off with that crap.[/QUOTE] This is literally conservative logic. Calling another person a bigot because they disagree with your close-minded statements. This logic is normally used to defend homophobia e.g. "They call me a bigot because I don't like gays, but they're the ones that won't accept my opinion!"
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48564402]You said: This sounds very much like you believe white people aren't allowed to like rap, and if they play it they're just posers. This is literally conservative logic. Calling another person a bigot because they disagree with your close-minded statements. This logic is normally used to defend homophobia e.g. "They call me a bigot because I don't like gays, but they're the ones that won't accept my opinion!"[/QUOTE] So you've just upgraded yourself from bigot to literally shoving words directly into my mouth, congratulations, you're an idiot.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48563883]I wasn't saying that at all. I'm not even from Chicago, I'm from Texas, and my favorite rappers are from LA and ATL. I just wanted to refute him sayin that top 40 rap is about drugs and sex and that somehow makes it bad and gangster. I can't speak for boosie and NO and the Deep South in general because it's not my style of music, but I tried to use varying examples. ATL rap and Chicago rap are both huge and both are very different stylistically. There's loads of gaps in my knowledge of hip-hop and I'm not gonna pretend to know everything about it, but I'm just trying to display that rap is a product of the culture of an area and not vice versa.[/QUOTE] Oh definitely! You can even tell by how an artist's music changes as he progresses through his career and moves out of those environments. It's especially noticeable in southern trap (which is my favorite sub-genre). Gorilla Zoe: Early career: Hood Nigga (drugs, sex, etc.) Late Career: Lost (being lost in life), Echo (about a breakup) And one of my all time favorite songs ever, REALLY conveys how people who live in these neighborhoods feel, and that would be Thugz Mansion by 2Pac. [video=youtube;7Cz_nOpxgCU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cz_nOpxgCU[/video] The culture is not influenced by the music. It's the other way around.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48557199]IDK, it's not uncommon for people similar to BLM to dismiss wealthy black people/black people who don't totally sympathize/very educated black people/etc. as "oreos," "uncle toms," or "house niggers." I've personally had Tiger Woods, Colin Powell, and Condoleezza Rice unironically called these things to my face.[/QUOTE] I had a black friend of mine called an "Uncle Tom house nigger motherfucker," by a BLM activist because of his accent. He was born in Baton Rouge what the fuck do you expect him to sound like jackass?
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48564429]So you've just upgraded yourself from bigot to literally shoving words directly into my mouth, congratulations, you're an idiot.[/QUOTE] I'm just drawing conclusions from the words you typed.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48558759]Saying that people just "don't want to leave the ghetto" is absurd. [/QUOTE] Its absurd to think that everybody in the ghetto thinks the same. Obviously some people probably do want to leave the crime infested, drug filled poverty hole. However there is a culture in the black america that shames people for "being white", which to them means being successful, well spoken, hardworking, etc. There's also a culture that just straight up glorifies objectifying women, criminal behavior and drug abuse.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48560074]It's a movement that wants solutions. When someone says there's no real solution and then says she's putting more police there, it shows she's content reacting the same way people have always reacted - and that doesn't work.[/QUOTE] She said there is no single solution. What is the single solution black lives matter wants that will make everything great?
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;48564793]She said there is no single solution. What is the single solution black lives matter wants that will make everything great?[/QUOTE] There isn't one. I agree that there isn't a single solution. But saying there's no single solution and then doing the same thing that's always been done, during a period of unrest due to unjust deaths and police abuses of power, doesn't show any type of interest in finding any of the solutions that can help. More police will reduce the crime rate, yeah, but it does nothing to fix the communities that breed that violence. The options are to just arrest everyone or to work on efforts to improve police behavior and relations in order to regain the trust of impoverished communities. One solution they want that will help is to have widespread adoption of police cameras and independent investigation groups into police abuses. Those would help reduce the issue - there is no magic fix, there are just many more options to actually reign back the police - and doing nothing but throwing more police in those areas won't help the actual issues, it'll just reduce the crime rate. So the violent offenders get arrested. Now you have kids without parents that can provide for them. They get stuck. They become violent because there's no point when you're backed into a social hole with no escape. Now you are just continuing the cycle - more police and more arrests don't fix the cycle at all, they just strengthen it.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48563883]I wasn't saying that at all. I'm not even from Chicago, I'm from Texas, and my favorite rappers are from LA and ATL. I just wanted to refute him sayin that top 40 rap is about drugs and sex and that somehow makes it bad and gangster. I can't speak for boosie and NO and the Deep South in general because it's not my style of music, but I tried to use varying examples. ATL rap and Chicago rap are both huge and both are very different stylistically. There's loads of gaps in my knowledge of hip-hop and I'm not gonna pretend to know everything about it, but I'm just trying to display that rap is a product of the culture of an area and not vice versa.[/QUOTE] talk about atl and chicago rap and don't even mention outkast and chance the rapper respectively, smh [editline]28th August 2015[/editline] and how can someone talk biggie within the frame of rap against violence and crime and not talk about his song where he contemplates (and ultimately commits) suicide over all the horrible things he has done in his life due to gang life
The argument that rap is about nothing butglorifying doing drugs, killin' cops, and bein' a straight up thug is pretty ignorant. Certainly there are some popular artists that sing songs of that nature, but there are also some truly brilliant ones out there that focus the brunt of their creative talent towards calling out the hellish reality of growing up in the ghetto, and the intoxicating, misguided nature of gangs. Here's one of my favorites, as an example: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOu81npUe5op[/media] I'm not generally a rap or hip hop fan either, but it's disingenuous to write off not just an entire genre of music, but an entire racial and cultural group based based on what kind of music is cranked out at clubs. Just because you haven't had the opportunity to be exposed to something with a little more depth than the latest Lil Wayne song doesn't mean that rap as a medium or cultural movement is only used to promote thuggery.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48565526]The argument that rap is about nothing butglorifying doing drugs, killin' cops, and bein' a straight up thug is pretty ignorant.[/QUOTE] No one made that argument.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48565590]No one made that argument.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sgman91;48561138]The majority of popular rap and hip-hop I've heard are more about using your new found money to dominate your enemies, have a lot of sex, and do a lot drugs.[/QUOTE] If you are going to say that you said "Majority" rather than "All", then you are just arguing semantics.
[QUOTE=gufu;48565826]If you are going to say that you said "Majority" rather than "All", then you are just arguing semantics.[/QUOTE] That's called a qualifier, and is extremely important in any form of claim. I put the word "majority" there because I knew that not all of them would fall into that category, but that a large percent over 50%, would. It's far from semantics. That's why people giving individual examples of good natured hip-hop don't really do anything to defeat my argument.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48565526]The argument that rap is about nothing butglorifying doing drugs, killin' cops, and bein' a straight up thug is pretty ignorant. [B]Certainly there are some popular artists that sing songs of that nature.[/B][/QUOTE] Songs of that nature being the most popular ones is a bit indicative of the culture that the ghetto has. I listen to a little rap and yeah, obviously not all of it is what I mentioned above. As a side note, I wouldn't say that rap causes violence, drug abuse or sexism.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48565934]Songs of that nature being the most popular ones is a bit indicative of the culture that the ghetto has. I listen to a little rap and yeah, obviously not all of it is what I mentioned above. As a side note, I wouldn't say that rap causes violence, drug abuse or sexism.[/QUOTE] The point of this is not that ghettos aren't hellacious places with violent and subversive subcultures, but that rap music can be (and frequently is) a powerful artistic medium for protesting the crushing weight of poverty, gangs, drugs, and violence that ghettos expose people to. Ghettos are manmade hells, and there is no question that a violent subculture has spawned from them. However, that subculture is not a product of [I]black people[/I] or of [I]black culture[/I], but of the destitute and hopeless conditions of urban poverty, which is only dominated by black people as a result of widespread social resistance and reactions to the civil rights movements of the 50's and 60's from the racial majority, and which only continue to exist due to the cyclical nature of poverty, crime, and racism. [I]Black people dominate areas of urban poverty -> Urban poverty breeds violent crime and drug abuse -> Violent crime and drug abuse breeds racism towards the black people living in these areas rather than the conditions that caused the subversion -> Racism against black people helps perpetuate the conditions that allow urban poverty to continue existing by writing it off as a "black problem" rather than pulling together as society to address the real illness -> Repeat[/I]
[QUOTE=sgman91;48565885]That's called a qualifier, and is extremely important in any form of claim. I put the word "majority" there because I knew that not all of them would fall into that category, but that a large percent over 50%, would. It's far from semantics. That's why people giving individual examples of good natured hip-hop don't really do anything to defeat my argument.[/QUOTE] Good natured hip-hop might not defeat your argument, but your argument has no meaning anyhow. Hip-hop isn't special with regard to its musical themes. Lyrics about disrespecting women, drug use, violence, etc., have been a mainstay in popular music for quite literally centuries. If you spend any amount of time studying the blues or jazz, you'll figure out how incredibly common the themes are. [video=youtube;0BsIntS_Io4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BsIntS_Io4[/video] Tell me, what do you think this song is about? Hint: It's not really about getting a new coffee grinder. Is society any worse off for having had this song? Absolutely not. Is this song just a random one that happens to be very sexual? No, it was quite normal. People should stop pretending that the lyrics of a song, or the content of any other art form, are just some sort of code everyone will follow like mindless drones. [video=youtube;uvhUmzBP_aI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvhUmzBP_aI[/video] Are all opera lovers misogynistic as well?
[QUOTE=Ziron;48562849]I'm not sure which is worse: super-nerdy white boys writing essays about gangsta rap or the ususal FP talk on BLM.[/QUOTE] What's exactly wrong with defending a genre that's over-generalized to hell? Why do you care if he's some ""Super nerdy white boy" lmao anyone can like any kind of music Does someone have to be a goth to defend metal as not being all violent and about Satan now? As far as I'm concerned anyone can like metal, this is such a piss poor way to dismiss someones argument and makes you look childish
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