• David Cameron warns of 'appeasing Putin as we did Hitler'
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[QUOTE=lapsus_;45881525]They were allies before being enemies [t]http://www.paperlessarchives.com/9-34-1939_Z-032_46_Berryman.gif[/t] Sept 20, 1934[/QUOTE] those pajamas though
[QUOTE=Gamerman12;45882262]those pajamas though[/QUOTE] I wonder who I could pay to make those...
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;45880610]I have zero tolerance for murder and killing, but holy fuck, someone needs to take Putin out before he sets the world aflame.[/QUOTE] Preferably the Russian people themselves. All it requires is a mass awakening that makes the Russian people let go of their servile mindset that expects some charismatic strongman to take responsibility for everything. I'm not saying all russians have this mindset, but a certain critical mass does, which is proved by the widespread apologism for past totalitarian leaders (and the fact that they could wield such power) and the 80% approval rating Putin enjoys. The sanctions imposed on Russia, however, are NOT advancing this goal, as they have the effect of making Putin's claims about the west and its intentions seem accurate to the eyes of the brainwashed populace. Instead of sanctions and war, we must work to set an example for the russian people by refusing to engage in the mindset Putin embodies, no matter what he does. Lets expose Putin's consciousness to his people, instead of partaking in it ourselves.
[QUOTE=juhana;45882386] Lets expose Putin's consciousness to his people, instead of partaking in it ourselves.[/QUOTE] aaaaaaaaaaaaaand how are we supposed to do this? Did you forget that almost all media in the RF is owned and manipulated by the Kremlin? (except Dozhd and a few minor media outlets) The most effective and foolproof way to stop Russia is to make life for the Russian elite horrible, so they will beg Putin to stop the pain. [editline]3rd September 2014[/editline] We in the EU must pressure Germany to cut the bullshit and unleash the sanctions that hurt BAD.
[QUOTE=juhana;45882386]Preferably the Russian people themselves. All it requires is a mass awakening that makes the Russian people let go of their servile mindset that expects some charismatic strongman to take responsibility for everything. I'm not saying all russians have this mindset, but a certain critical mass does, which is proved by the widespread apologism for past totalitarian leaders (and the fact that they could wield such power) and the 80% approval rating Putin enjoys. [/QUOTE] It's not servile mindset, it's not-giving-a-fuck mindset. They tell us what to think and then ask if we approve? Okay, we approve, why not. Vote? For whom, doesn't matter - they're all the same anyway, and each one wants to fuck us over as much as the next guy, so let it be ones who are already in office: at least we know what to expect. That's not going to change anything anyway. "Anyway" is our motto. We prefer to live permanently under the carpet where no one can reach us, not our government, not anyone. And we stick our thoughts and opinions as deep inside as it is possible, only sharing it with our families, closest friends and significant others. Sometimes rejecting to even have an opinion at all, 'cause what's the point. Emperors and Soviets couldn't reach us, and man did they try. Until there's someone we deem worth following, we don't follow at all. Putin's approval rating is entirely meaningless, because the actual answer majority chose to give when questioned "do you approve" is in reality this: "yes, because why the fuck not, now leave me be". There is no way our own governments can influence the opinion of the people (that is absent), so to influence it from the [b]outside[/b]? Forget it.
Your government is already influencing your decisions. It's called media and propaganda.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45883121]Your government is already influencing your decisions. It's called media and propaganda.[/QUOTE] Our decisions? We've no decisions to make. Which is the whole point. We could've had no media at all, with the same results. You probably won't understand it anyway. Views of the majority of Russian public towards politics and state decisions have a history of being... apathetic is not even the right word for it. Now they're even more so, because we all remember how once we were given a promise and a hope of something changing. The we would be allowed to the wheel. And then we got fucked over, because not even the people who gave those promises cared for a second longer than it was absolutely necessary. And to expect that people would believe someone ever again after that? Laughable, we'd more easily believe that the world outside, 'great democracies' are merely a show behind which same old hierarchies live, which is not terribly far from the truth anyway compared to complete nonsense our crazed radicalized 'liberals' would like us to believe. Imagine that after your war of Independence, another full-blown monarchy was established. Or that after civil war, same old slavery returned across the whole country. You'd understand our apathy then.
Let's hope Putin makes the same mistake Hitler made at Dunkirk.
[QUOTE=geogzm;45880514]such as joining art school v:v:v[/QUOTE] Atleast he did something with himself instead of becoming a Barrista or something like most failed art school students do.
[QUOTE=Midas22;45883358]Atleast he did something with himself instead of becoming a Barrista or something like most failed art school students do.[/QUOTE] I'm now imagining Hitler in a modern skimpy barista outfit. I hate you so much right now. I know men can be baristas, too, but that isn't what my mind went to.
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;45883654]I'm now imagining Hitler in a modern skimpy barista outfit. I hate you so much right now. I know men can be baristas, too, but that isn't what my mind went to.[/QUOTE] What kind of coffee shops have you been going to where the barista's dress in skimpy outfits? [sp]because I really want the address[/sp]
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;45883921]What kind of coffee shops have you been going to where the barista's dress in skimpy outfits? [sp]because I really want the address[/sp][/QUOTE] Come to my Starbucks and I'll wear a thong for you.
[QUOTE=Fausty;45883977]Come to my Starbucks and I'll wear a thong for you.[/QUOTE] B-but the health code.
[QUOTE=Midas22;45883358]At least he [B]killed 6 million Jews[/B] instead of becoming a Barrista or something like most failed art school students do.[/QUOTE] Ftfy.
[QUOTE=Hammerz;45882540]aaaaaaaaaaaaaand how are we supposed to do this? Did you forget that almost all media in the RF is owned and manipulated by the Kremlin? (except Dozhd and a few minor media outlets) The most effective and foolproof way to stop Russia is to make life for the Russian elite horrible, so they will beg Putin to stop the pain. [editline]3rd September 2014[/editline] We in the EU must pressure Germany to cut the bullshit and unleash the sanctions that hurt BAD.[/QUOTE] You can't force people to like a government. The Soviets and Americans both tried and it ended up with rebellion. Create conditions where a better candidate can rise up and the people will eventually move to that. Until a better candidate than Putin appears why would anyone not support him?
[QUOTE=bisousbisous;45880460]It always comes back to Hitler.[/QUOTE] Might be because the analogy works on some ways? Russia is emerging from a huge huge social, political and economic decline, which draws similarities to Interwar Germany. Crimea could easily be the Sudeten and Ukraine former czechoslovakia. Obviously the situation is different, but in very broad strokes, there are similarities.
So wait- Putin accuses the pro-fascist Ukrainian group [i]Svoboda[/i] for being Nazi-esque. He largely bases his actions in Ukraine over them. Accusing them of similar tactics to the Nazis in WWII- Firing on businesses/homes of those who don't cooperate, strong arming politicians, and violating humanitarian rights. So the Western world stands there shaking their finger at Putin and calling him Hitler. I bet the man is rolling in his conspiratorial grave, laughing to tears.
I just hope he won't fall into mass slaughter like Hitler did. [QUOTE=gudman;45883072]It's not servile mindset, it's not-giving-a-fuck mindset. They tell us what to think and then ask if we approve? Okay, we approve, why not. Vote? For whom, doesn't matter - they're all the same anyway, and each one wants to fuck us over as much as the next guy, so let it be ones who are already in office: at least we know what to expect. That's not going to change anything anyway. "Anyway" is our motto. We prefer to live permanently under the carpet where no one can reach us, not our government, not anyone. And we stick our thoughts and opinions as deep inside as it is possible, only sharing it with our families, closest friends and significant others. Sometimes rejecting to even have an opinion at all, 'cause what's the point. Emperors and Soviets couldn't reach us, and man did they try. Until there's someone we deem worth following, we don't follow at all. Putin's approval rating is entirely meaningless, because the actual answer majority chose to give when questioned "do you approve" is in reality this: "yes, because why the fuck not, now leave me be". There is no way our own governments can influence the opinion of the people (that is absent), so to influence it from the [b]outside[/b]? Forget it.[/QUOTE] Not entirely true. I know a lot of sane and adequate people who have full access to western media and still approve Putin's course. It's more then just apathy. Most of russians just wish to live in a great country, to mean something for the world, not to be some resource appendage for the west. We used to be great in some crooked way before, and people tend to remember only good sides of USSR, forgetting about it's bad sides. So lots of politicians just play on this weak point, just like Putin does.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45880497]Instead of calling him Putin, we start calling him "Pudding". That'll show him[/QUOTE] why not Poo-tin
[QUOTE=antianan;45896337] Not entirely true. I know a lot of sane and adequate people who have full access to western media and still approve Putin's course. It's more then just apathy. Most of russians just wish to live in a great country, to mean something for the world, not to be some resource appendage for the west. We used to be great in some crooked way before, and people tend to remember only good sides of USSR, forgetting about it's bad sides. So lots of politicians just play on this weak point, just like Putin does.[/QUOTE] Well despite what I might seem, I'm not an idiot, and I don't think that everyone's the same. Folks are different. But the overarching apathy about the politics is basically enabling everything else in my opinion. Wanting to live in a great country is pretty much spawned by it almost directly. "I can't do shit, so I'd better live in a country that is big, mean and everyone respects it". Or different mutation of the same idea. And forgetting about bad things in the past - well that's prevalent everywhere, unless people are specifically reminded and indoctrinated constantly. No one wants to think of himself as a bad or stupid person, so the thought "well what a shit I used to believe/do" is automatically suppressed. Regardless of the validity.
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