• A study from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concludes that driving after smoking
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just so it's aware, most people who smoke do not think it's okay to drive high. at least in my experience, most people consider it the same as drunk driving regardless if it's not as detrimental to your driving skill. saying "i can smoke before driving and be fine" is like saying "i can mentally impair myself for the sake of a personal habit and then in defense of that personal habit, rationalize that it personally doesn't affect me." you're still impairing yourself in regards to skills needed with driving, if you're reckless while sober, it doesn't mean you're a better driver high, it means you need to stop being a fucking reckless driver. if you need to use a drug to chill out on the road, then maybe you shouldnt be behind the steering wheel at all. it doesnt matter if you don't think the law affects you, basic human respect should make you not want to put yourself at more risk to hurt everybody else on the road. i, however, do not think they should issue DUIs based off of THC content in your system, or atleast put it at a point that is realistic and fair. if you were driving under the influence, i believe the THC content in your blood would be significant enough to actually determine if effects are currently active, but 5 nanograms per milliliter of blood is the lowest measurable value for some piss tests and it's considered insignificant or even labeled as a false positive. A session of 1 joint shared between 4 people is enough to fail a piss test 12 days later. Do you think that joint affected the person 12 days later? No, obviously not, but they aren't testing for active effects with piss tests, they testing for use. having a test like that for marijuana is essentially saying if you've been in a wreck and smoked a considerable amount [B]over a month ago[/B], that's the cause of the crash, DUI. [editline]10th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ridinmybike;47110284]If you're a long term smoker who has smoked weed for years, then you can handle the effects while driving. On the other hand, people who have just started to smoke weed, or have smoked it for the first time should stay away from driving. Pot is nothing like alcohol.[/QUOTE] ^ this also, i feel like there should be some provisions for this. esp. b/c of people in the community who will use it for medical reasons and still need to go about their daily productive lives. people misconstrue marijuana, it's not some overreaching, chill-the-fuck-out-and-become-stupid drug, it can be used for so much more and the effects range so greatly. all the while, it can still be used as that chill-the-fuck-out-and-become-stupid drug. there's a lot of sensationalism regarding the plant from both sides, this is an example. the title implies it's okay to drive high, it should say "it's okay to drive if you were high last week".
For people with genuine attention disorders or neurological impairments, marijuana can potentially mean the difference between being a serious danger on the road and driving safely and attentively. While we ought to be wary of those who use it recreationally and drive recklessly, I hope the medical users that legitimately [I]need[/I] it to feel okay and pay attention to the road aren't forgotten and brushed aside. I anticipate that some of you will claim those people shouldn't be on the road anyway, but you're probably the same people that think handicapped drivers shouldn't be on the road either. These people may be a very small minority, but they should still be recognized.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47110247]Also i never said the law doesnt apply to me, what i said is that the law doesn't effect my decisions[/QUOTE] So it does apply to you, but if you wanna break it, it can't stop you because "the law can suck my dick". Just stop posting. You're a colossal imbecile.
In my own personal experience, marijuana made me focus on a task a lot harder than when I was sober. Simply put all of my attention while driving was on the road and in my own opinion made me somewhat of a safer driver while high even though I usually did 10+ under the speed limit. Note: I never drove after doing a large amount, in my case more than one joint.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47110247]yeah except the difference between the subjective effects of lsd and weed is fucking massive. Also i never said the law doesnt apply to me, what i said is that the law doesn't effect my decisions[/QUOTE] i was taking your argument to a logical extreme because you think weed helps you focus better on the road, you are literally admitting that it's a mind-altering substance and that you take it because you [i]think[/i] it improves your driving ability if i were to take lsd for the same reason, there is no difference. what if i think i can handle lsd? what if i drive all the time under the influence? as for the disregard of the law, it is your attitude which is important. you have broken a law which looks out for the general wellbeing and safety of people on the road with the reasoning "because i want to" You said that smoking weed helps you concentrate on the road. Please tell me how you are addicted for the benefit of other people on the road and how you consider their safety so highly. And not just solely for your own short-term pleasure to get your fix.
I take marijuana for medicinal reasons and it really sucks not being able to drive when the only thing it does is remove my chronic pain. I don't feel that it impairs me at all from anything. The law needs to be changed. I don't think people should be driving around completely baked but I don't think you should have your license revoked for taking a hit or two at a party.
[QUOTE=Tasm;47109347]I'd prefer neither. Driving while high should be treated the same as drunk driving.[/QUOTE] Done both because i was a an idiot. Driving while drunk got me arrested after i made a handbrake turn. Driving while high made me drive like an old woman, because i was so paranoid of the police.
There's a similarity to BAC with weed. Smoke a single joint when you have a tolerance level? You can drive fine. You'll barely be high. You'll have a ton of THC in you for weeks, but you can drive absolutely fine. Drink a single beer when you have a tolerance level? You can drive fine. The problem is that measuring marijuana intoxication is far more difficult than measuring BAC. THC is a terrible indicator, because it's in your system for a long-ass time and it doesn't impair you past a few hours.
[QUOTE=Tasm;47109347]I'd prefer neither. Driving while high should be treated the same as drunk driving.[/QUOTE] Based on personal experience, I'd be more worried about driving next to someone on a cocktail of pharmaceuticals than some cancer patient driving home from chemo or dealing with glaucoma.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47109966]I'm pretty sure i was high for my driving license test. It calms me down, slows me down, and makes me more aware of my surroundings. So yeah, to each his own? [editline]9th February 2015[/editline] People who bring up the law make me laugh. The law can suck my dick, i do what i feel is right, disregarding what the government thinks is best for me[/QUOTE] Tell me, are you high as of this moment? because you sure sound like it
What do you need wheels for when you fly high in the sky with MJ
Nobody should take ANY drug and get behind the wheel of a car, including aspirin.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47109835] But ive noticed that i become a much safer driver when high. When I'm sober i can be reckless behind the wheel[/QUOTE] I can also sing really well when I'm drunk! For real!
[QUOTE=J!NX;47114326]Tell me, are you high as of this moment? because you sure sound like it[/QUOTE] Yes, i am always high To find me look to the sky
It's a lost cause but I'll defend cody a little. I wouldn't say it makes you safer, but I do believe it can be neutral as you'll drive slower and triple check things instead of just doing them. When your anxiety goes through the shit, you don't space out, you stay focused on driving normally and safely at the same speed or lower of the other cars. Like with a small amount of alcohol (1 beer), if you have tolerance and aren't super high then your probably not a risk as its obvious you're fine. None the less, I'd say it's completely undesirable to have to do given the paranoia and risk if you happened to be pulled over, so I never plan on having to drive. But if I have to, like moving my car off the driveway to let someone out or whatever then it's not a big deal. I get food first so driving won't be necessary.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47109893]Because i know how to drive when under the influence of a mild intoxicant, you wish i total my car? I honestly see no difference between drinking a cup of coffee before driving and smoking a blunt before driving. If you can handle yourself while on weed then you're probably not risking the lives of others when driving anymore than you'd be risking their lives if driving sober.[/QUOTE] I think the major factor no one is understanding is tolerance and how it effects the drugs effects. a new smoker most certainly should not be behind the wheel after smoking a joint to one's self. However, if one is a daily smoker and has built up a tolerance, driving stoned is no different than driving sober. Once you're very familiar with weed and it's effects, an easy task such as driving is not a big deal at all, and you guys are just safety nuts ignorant to the actual situation, and are only speaking knowledge from vague studies. I am absolutely positive that driving stoned at my current tolerance will not alter my driving in the least bit, as I'm sure many others can attest to.
Drug and driving illiterate people seem to really love this thread. The ignorance literally makes me cringe. "I hope you crash your car cody! You fucking dangerous pothead! You shouldn't have a license!" Lol.
I'm not sure which side I stand on this one, and this' with personal experience as well. I can easily drive after a night's sleep and have done so often, and I don't drive very often so a small change can mess up everything, however if I just lighted up a joint then I've only ever driven my scooter, where I felt slight struggle in concentrating. The key in all of this however, as I see it, is that as I've always been fully let known of this struggle, I've been able to compensate for it. Now, is it safe? I don't see why not. I've had more problem handling my moped stoned when at a red light then when actually driving, and that's more due to my small physique.
[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;47115507]Drug and driving illiterate people seem to really love this thread. The ignorance literally makes me cringe. "I hope you crash your car cody! You fucking dangerous pothead! You shouldn't have a license!" Lol.[/QUOTE] Don't you think it's selfish in any way at all that one of the posters here literally doesn't care about what the law is and says "i'll do it if it feels right" with regards to driving under the influence? I don't want him to crash his car, but I think that if you deliberately get high for your own pleasure (no, calming your nerves doesn't count) when you go to drive, then you shouldn't be driving. It impairs your mental faculties. It's a law meant for the safety of all people on the road, and in an organized society most people have the common courtesy to drive when they aren't under the influence.
I had to move my car to the other side of the street when I lived in Minnesota (for street cleaning) after smoking weed. It took me about 20 minutes, and I almost hit an imaginary child.
[QUOTE=Deng;47115601]Don't you think it's selfish in any way at all that one of the posters here literally doesn't care about what the law is and says "i'll do it if it feels right" with regards to driving under the influence? I don't want him to crash his car, but I think that if you deliberately get high for your own pleasure (no, calming your nerves doesn't count) when you go to drive, then you shouldn't be driving. It impairs your mental faculties. It's a law meant for the safety of all people on the road, and in an organized society most people have the common courtesy to drive when they aren't under the influence.[/QUOTE] You think people on the road give a fuck about the law? Only when the cops are around. And you do realize you can get "high" on your own chemistry without ever touching a drug? I know cody fairly well from his posts, and he isn't endangering anyone more than anyone else on the road. He isn't some adrenaline-hopped up douche that's gonna light one up while driving just to snapchat it to his friend circle and crash into a 7-11. He knows his psyche very well. People driving "high" aren't any more dangerous than student-drivers, handicapped drivers, or drivers on their cell-phones.
[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;47115617]You think people on the road give a fuck about the law?[/quote] Well yes. Would you be comfortable driving in Somalia? [quote]And you do realize you can get "high" on your own chemistry without ever touch a drug?[/quote] So can I go snorting coke on the dashboard or drinking vodka shots in my car then? [quote]I know cody fairly well from his posts, and he isn't endangering anyone more than anyone else on the road. He isn't some adrenaline-hopped up douche that's gonna light one up while driving just to snapchat it to his friend circle and crash into a 7-11. He knows his psyche very well.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, when the coroners report comes in, it will mention "death by Dunning-Kruger". Or this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introspection_illusion[/url]
Both blanket statements "everyone who is high is a road hazard" and "driving while high is totally fine" are stupid. Of course you shouldn't get in a car when you're stoned out of your mind, but I'm pretty sure it hasn't been studied at exactly which point it becomes dangerous. I'd imagine a heavy (as in high tolerance) smoker consuming a small amount of a high-CBD low-THC strain would be okay, but I don't know. Because I haven't read a study. Based on that it is of course reckless to get behind the wheel after smoking weed, because you don't know either, but I wouldn't so quickly rule out the possibility that there is a way to do that safely. We just don't know it. [QUOTE=Snowmew;47110592]So it does apply to you, but if you wanna break it, it can't stop you because "the law can suck my dick". Just stop posting. You're a colossal imbecile.[/QUOTE] To be fair, the law doesn't say what's safe, or morally right, and what isn't. It only says what can get you punished and what won't. If you're not afraid of the punishment and you don't base your morals on the law, of course you're not gonna follow it.
I've driven whilst almost off the effects of a high, but that was because it was absolutely necessary. It definitely shouldn't be done.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47115703] To be fair, the law doesn't say what's safe, or morally right, and what isn't. It only says what can get you punished and what won't. If you're not afraid of the punishment and you don't base your morals on the law, of course you're not gonna follow it.[/QUOTE] The irony being that laws are made on morals.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47115786]The irony being that laws are made on morals.[/QUOTE] The greater irony being that most of not all morals are subjective
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47115786]The irony being that laws are made on morals.[/QUOTE] Yeah, who needs laws anyways. Now get outta my way, I want to see how fast my truck can go in a school zone while wasted/s
[QUOTE=Deng;47115647]Well yes. Would you be comfortable driving in Somalia? So can I go snorting coke on the dashboard or drinking vodka shots in my car then? Ah yes, when the coroners report comes in, it will mention "death by Dunning-Kruger". Or this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introspection_illusion[/url][/QUOTE] Actually vodka shots seems to be where you're going wrong, coke can kinda improve your cognitive function allowing you to be a better driver... well if you can hold back the euphoria. but yea vodka was silly to say. I take it you're one of those guys who puts all drugs into one catagory when talking about them, don't. Drugs are classified by certain characteristics they have based on how they effect the body. Not all drugs impair ur motor skills. Alcohol is probably one of the best at fucking up your motor skills, funny how that one is still legal if that was an issue.
dui in any manner is no good, yet i think driving while high is WAY more manageable than drunk driving if in an emergency or what not [editline]10th February 2015[/editline] with that said, i don't think dui's for marijuana should carry the same weight as alcohol-related ones.
[QUOTE=zach1193;47115361]I think the major factor no one is understanding is tolerance and how it effects the drugs effects. a new smoker most certainly should not be behind the wheel after smoking a joint to one's self. However, if one is a daily smoker and has built up a tolerance, driving stoned is no different than driving sober. Once you're very familiar with weed and it's effects, an easy task such as driving is not a big deal at all, and you guys are just safety nuts ignorant to the actual situation, and are only speaking knowledge from vague studies. I am absolutely positive that driving stoned at my current tolerance will not alter my driving in the least bit, as I'm sure many others can attest to.[/QUOTE] I think the major factor no one is understanding is tolerance and how it effects alcohol's effects. A new drinker most certainly should not be behind the wheel after drinking a beer to one's self. However, if one is a daily drinker and has built up a tolerance, driving buzzed is no different than driving sober. Once you're very familiar with alcohol and it's effects, an easy task such as driving is not a big deal at all, and you guys are just safety nuts ignorant to the actual situation, and are only speaking knowledge from vague studies. I am absolutely positive that driving buzzed at my current tolerance will not alter my driving in the least bit, as I'm sure many others can attest to. :rolleyes:
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