A study from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concludes that driving after smoking
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[QUOTE=zach1193;47115943]Actually vodka shots seems to be where you're going wrong, coke can kinda improve your cognitive function allowing you to be a better driver... well if you can hold back the euphoria. but yea vodka was silly to say. I take it you're one of those guys who puts all drugs into one catagory when talking about them, don't.[/quote]
Regardless, it's a bad idea to be taking substances that alter your perception when driving. Ideally, the road user shouldn't be taking anything of the sort prior to driving. Cocaine has a significant effect on your mind and body, and to be under the influence of it while driving is irresponsible and childish.
The point I was also trying to make is that if you think it is acceptable to take drugs before driving, then what drugs should be permitted and why?
[quote]Not all drugs impair ur motor skills. Alcohol is probably one of the best at fucking up your motor skills, funny how that one is still legal if that was an issue.[/QUOTE]
Drunk driving is illegal.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47115968]I think the major factor no one is understanding is tolerance and how it effects alcohol's effects. A new drinker most certainly should not be behind the wheel after drinking a beer to one's self. However, if one is a daily drinker and has built up a tolerance, driving buzzed is no different than driving sober. Once you're very familiar with alcohol and it's effects, an easy task such as driving is not a big deal at all, and you guys are just safety nuts ignorant to the actual situation, and are only speaking knowledge from vague studies. I am absolutely positive that driving buzzed at my current tolerance will not alter my driving in the least bit, as I'm sure many others can attest to.
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
And the sad thing is, some people would actually say that non-ironically.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47115822]The greater irony being that most of not all morals are subjective[/QUOTE]
which is why you elect officials who represent your morals to make the laws protecting them. Majority rules these types of things for better or worse
[QUOTE=catbarf;47115968]I think the major factor no one is understanding is tolerance and how it effects alcohol's effects. A new drinker most certainly should not be behind the wheel after drinking a beer to one's self. However, if one is a daily drinker and has built up a tolerance, driving buzzed is no different than driving sober. Once you're very familiar with alcohol and it's effects, an easy task such as driving is not a big deal at all, and you guys are just safety nuts ignorant to the actual situation, and are only speaking knowledge from vague studies. I am absolutely positive that driving buzzed at my current tolerance will not alter my driving in the least bit, as I'm sure many others can attest to.
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I get your point, but the two substances are as different in their mental effects as apples are different from oranges. More so.
[QUOTE=Deng;47115601]Don't you think it's selfish in any way at all that one of the posters here literally doesn't care about what the law is and says "i'll do it if it feels right" with regards to driving under the influence?
I don't want him to crash his car, but I think that if you deliberately get high for your own pleasure (no, calming your nerves doesn't count) when you go to drive, then you shouldn't be driving.
It impairs your mental faculties. It's a law meant for the safety of all people on the road, and in an organized society most people have the common courtesy to drive when they aren't under the influence.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I think you're being kind of sheltered here. Besides all these vague "stoned" and "high" terms are bullshit anyways. It depends on how high you are and your tolerance. It's a drug, not some magical brain-lobotomizer.
The legal BAC limit for a male of 160 pounds is equivolent to two drinks.
That's two shots and being able to drive. What could you possibly say the comparable amount of marijuana would be?
From personal experience I'm of the opinion that marijuana tolerance has a large role in not feeling impaired., where alcohol tolerance just means I can drink a lot more.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47115968]I think the major factor no one is understanding is tolerance and how it effects alcohol's effects. A new drinker most certainly should not be behind the wheel after drinking a beer to one's self. However, if one is a daily drinker and has built up a tolerance, driving buzzed is no different than driving sober. Once you're very familiar with alcohol and it's effects, an easy task such as driving is not a big deal at all, and you guys are just safety nuts ignorant to the actual situation, and are only speaking knowledge from vague studies. I am absolutely positive that driving buzzed at my current tolerance will not alter my driving in the least bit, as I'm sure many others can attest to.
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
It's not that cut and dry. Not even a little, that's actually a very good example of comparing apples to oranges.
[QUOTE=Deng;47115991]Regardless, it's a bad idea to be taking substances that alter your perception when driving.[/QUOTE]
what about substances like redbull or coffee, or chocolate, these all contain a drug that can alter your perception. You've got to realize that some people are better at keeping their perception in line than others, and that it can be done with some drugs.
[QUOTE=Mooman;47116318]Honestly, I think you're being kind of sheltered here. Besides all these vague "stoned" and "high" terms are bullshit anyways. It depends on how high you are and your tolerance. It's a drug, not some magical brain-lobotomizer.[/QUOTE]
I'm using it as shorthand to say "if you are driving while in full knowledge of having taken some kind of drug, you are a fool".
The point is that you shouldn't be consuming it in the first place before driving. It's perfectly fine to do it when you are at home relaxing, but it is not acceptable when you are driving. This is something very basic in road safety. People severely misunderestimate their ability to drive after taking some kind of drug.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47109367]I drive under the influence of cannabis *almost* daily, its become normal for me[/QUOTE]
This is why nobody respects stoners
[QUOTE=Deng;47116450]I'm using it as shorthand to say "if you are driving while in full knowledge of having taken some kind of drug, you are a fool".
The point is that you shouldn't be consuming it in the first place before driving. It's perfectly fine to do it when you are at home relaxing, but it is not acceptable when you are driving. This is something very basic in road safety. People severely misunderestimate their ability to drive after taking some kind of drug.[/QUOTE]
yet legally I can have a beer, or two depending on my alcohol tolerance and not be breaking laws. but any level of active thc would be considered a horrible problem?
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[QUOTE=OrDnAs;47116471]This is why nobody respects stoners[/QUOTE]
i've never seen you need an excuse to look down on someone. i mean you're using one person to justify a generalization. i don't care what generalization that is, that's not okay.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47116398]what about substances like redbull or coffee, or chocolate, these all contain a drug that can alter your perception. You've got to realize that some people are better at keeping their perception in line than others, and that it can be done with some drugs.[/QUOTE]
The world doesn't work on a case by case basis though. While some people can "handle it" (and severely misunderestimate their abilities), the reason these laws exist is to stop people from driving under the influence.
Would you get on a plane of somebody that you knew smoked marijuana or drank during the flight, but they had it "under control"?
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47116476]yet legally I can have a beer, or two depending on my alcohol tolerance and not be breaking laws. but any level of active thc would be considered a horrible problem?[/QUOTE]
It's illegal to have a beer at all before driving here.
[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;47115507]Drug and driving illiterate people seem to really love this thread. The ignorance literally makes me cringe.
"I hope you crash your car cody! You fucking dangerous pothead! You shouldn't have a license!" Lol.[/QUOTE]
They're angry that they could be causing car accidents while high, so they wish that they get in a car accident. These people aren't against car accidents, otherwise they wouldn't want more to happen.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47116476]yet legally I can have a beer, or two depending on my alcohol tolerance and not be breaking laws. but any level of active thc would be considered a horrible problem?
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i've never seen you need an excuse to look down on someone. i mean you're using one person to justify a generalization. i don't care what generalization that is, that's not okay.[/QUOTE]
That was a bad post I reckon. Sorry I was high on chocolate and coffee it really changes my perception of time and space and posting. But don't worry I can handle it hahaha. Internet law can suck my dick
[QUOTE=Deng;47116498]The world doesn't work on a case by case basis though. While some people can "handle it" (and severely misunderestimate their abilities), the reason these laws exist is to stop people from driving under the influence.
Would you get on a plane of somebody that you knew smoked marijuana or drank during the flight, but they had it "under control"?
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If the pilot was a known stoner who was still a good pilot, I see no reason not to get on the plane. Anyways, I'm not arguing about the laws, we all know why DUI laws exist. I'm just saying, driving on cannabis isn't as dangerous as some make it out to be
[QUOTE=cody8295;47116572]If the pilot was a known stoner who was still a good pilot, I see no reason not to get on the plane. Anyways, I'm not arguing about the laws, we all know why DUI laws exist. I'm just saying, driving on cannabis isn't as dangerous as some make it out to be[/QUOTE]
It's still dangerous man.
[QUOTE=Deng;47116498]Would you get on a plane of somebody that you knew smoked marijuana or drank during the flight, but they had it "under control"?[/QUOTE]
When is that never a problem though? You could get into a car with someone who doesn't have their emotions under control. Is it illegal for all humans with emotions to drive? No, even though it causes many accidents and deaths. People will lose self control and and sense of survival and do the stupidest shit on the roads.
Driving can be so dangerous to yourself and others, so we should do everything we can to minimize the risk of hurting anyone.
And if you're really serious about not harming anyone while driving, don't ever drive. Even if you're a great driver who is always sober, shit can always go wrong, and you can seriously injure or kill yourself and/or others. So I guess you're always being a bit of a selfish asshole when you drive, even if you don't get stoned. Because you know, we don't need cars to survive. You're only using them because you can and it makes your life easier.
[QUOTE=OrDnAs;47116577]It's still dangerous man.[/QUOTE]
Driving sober is still dangerous, but we still do it everyday.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47116572]If the pilot was a known stoner who was still a good pilot, I see no reason not to get on the plane. Anyways, I'm not arguing about the laws, we all know why DUI laws exist. I'm just saying, driving on cannabis isn't as dangerous as some make it out to be[/QUOTE]
It's still irresponsible. At least have the courtesy to wait until you reach your destination.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47116584]Driving sober is still dangerous, but we still do it everyday.[/QUOTE]
Yes but who wants to admit that. The ethical thing would be to never drive a car, but we like luxuries.
The study you posted explicitly stated that driving under the influence is still a bad idea.
[QUOTE=OrDnAs;47116536]That was a bad post I reckon. Sorry I was high on chocolate and coffee it really changes my perception of time and space and posting. But don't worry I can handle it hahaha. Internet law can suck my dick[/QUOTE]
those substances factually do change your perception.
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i'll just ignore the heavy mocking tone from a person who would generalize an entire group based on one guy
[QUOTE=Deng;47116598]The study you posted explicitly stated that driving under the influence is still a bad idea.[/QUOTE]
Yes we've established that the article is confusing and a little biased at times. It also mentions that only 25% of stoned drivers were more susceptible to crashing after smoking.
[editline]10th February 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=OrDnAs;47116536]That was a bad post I reckon. Sorry I was high on chocolate and coffee it really changes my perception of time and space and posting. But don't worry I can handle it hahaha. Internet law can suck my dick[/QUOTE]
You are from Peru, go find a peruvian torch cactus and eat as much as possible. No need to be toying with such silly drugs as caffeine and theobromine when there is probably a hearty source of mescaline in your backyard
I'm going to be totally honest here. I've driven under the influence of Cannabis, MDMA, Alcohol & Shrooms. From personal experience by far, alcohol is the worst & next in line would be Shrooms, MDMA & then cannabis. These weren't long distances though (I'd say about 3kms to 6 kms at most around a small country town) & the time I was driving at was usually late at night.
When you drive on alcohol, it becomes harder to judge corners, your speed & distance between objects. I don't see how anyone can do it & there's too many people in my home town that do this after a night out at the pub. The time I drove on shrooms was only from my uni campus to home which was a straight road. I had taken some the night before and had some left over so I ate those - since the tolerance of shrooms doubles, I wasn't as fucked as the night before. But my perception had changed and I could see a larger portion of the road and interections, however, I was driving at 30km/h. On MDMA, I took more risks, but I also drove 10km/h under the speed limit - no one should ever drive on methamphetamines.
On Cannabis, yes reaction times are slower, however, I personally think I drive better stoned than I do sober and I've been driving since I was 16 and I'm now 21. I'm more cautious and alert because I know I'm stoned and basically your mind makes you compensate and you adjust your driving accordingly. This is only me though, other people will be affected by cannabis in different ways. There was a car crash that happened on the highway near my hometown where the accident was caused by a driver who wasn't DUI & the other driver who had been t-boned was found DUI on Cannabis. (All parties in a crash must submit to a mandatory blood & urine sample)
I personally think there should be a safe legal driving limit for people who have smoked cannabis. If there's one for alcohol, why shouldn't there be one for cannabis? Like someone said above - driving sober is also as dangerous as driving DUI. Fatigue is another big killer on roads - how come it's still legal to drive while fatigued? Driving whilst tired is not fun at all and is actually fucking scary.
[QUOTE=Wablur;47116934]I'm going to be totally honest here. I've driven under the influence of Cannabis, MDMA, Alcohol & Shrooms. From personal experience by far, alcohol is the worst & next in line would be Shrooms, MDMA & then cannabis. These weren't long distances though (I'd say about 3kms to 6 kms at most around a small country town) & the time I was driving at was usually late at night.
When you drive on alcohol, it becomes harder to judge corners, your speed & distance between objects. I don't see how anyone can do it & there's too many people in my home town that does this. The time I drove on shrooms was only from my uni campus to home which was a straight road. I had taken some the night before and had some left over so I ate those - since the tolerance of shrooms doubles, I wasn't as fucked as the night before. But my perception had changed and I could see a larger portion of the road and interections, however, I was driving at 30km/h. On MDMA, I took more risks, but I also drove 10km/h under the speed limit - no one should ever drive on methamphetamines.
On Cannabis, yes reaction times are slower, however, I personally think I drive better stoned than I do sober and I've been driving since I was 16 and I'm now 21. I'm more cautious and alert because I know I'm stoned and basically your mind makes you compensate and you adjust your driving accordingly. This is only me though, other people will be affected by cannabis in different ways. There was a car crash that happened on the highway near my hometown where the accident was caused by a driver who wasn't DUI & the other driver who had been t-boned was found DUI on Cannabis. (All parties in a crash must submit to a mandatory blood & urine sample)
I personally think there should be a safe legal driving limit for people who have smoked cannabis. If there's one for alcohol, why shouldn't there be one for cannabis? Like someone said above - driving sober is also as dangerous as driving DUI. Fatigue is another big killer on roads - how comes it's still legal to drive while fatigued? Driving whilst tired is not fun at all and is actually fucking scary.[/QUOTE]
Driving tired is scary as fuck. You'd think you wouldn't be able to fall asleep at the wheel, but next thing you know, you're OPENING YOUR EYES, WHICH MEANS THEY WERE CLOSED, and WOOPS, you gotta get out of the oncoming lane or ditch. That shit is deadly.
Driving when you're angry and out of control is stupid as fuck too.
[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47117033]Driving tired is scary as fuck. You'd think you wouldn't be able to fall asleep at the wheel, but next thing you know, you're OPENING YOUR EYES, WHICH MEANS THEY WERE CLOSED, and WOOPS, you gotta get out of the oncoming lane or ditch. That shit is deadly.
Driving when you're angry and out of control is stupid as fuck too.[/QUOTE]
Been a victim of fatigued driving, with 3 others in the car who were also asleep. Coming back from a camping festival 8 hours away, luckily there was hardly any trees on this road, but I had a microsleep and woke up from it because I had travelled off the road coming around corner into a fence which squared off a paddock & I've driven out of anger before too - accelerating harshly, no concern for other drivers, more risk taking, also blaring music to deafening levels. Emotions have a big part on your driving ability, so people should be worrying about that too instead of DUI.
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As to being high calming you down and you being sober means being more nervous - that's called a psychological addiction.[/QUOTE]
Or it's called taking your medicine hence the medical marijuana laws
edit: obviously most people aren't going to take huge bowls to their faces and then hop in their cars moments later
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47116603]those substances factually do change your perception.
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i'll just ignore the heavy mocking tone from a person who would generalize an entire group based on one guy[/QUOTE]
Do you have this inane ability to make borderline shitposts and not get banned?
[editline]10th February 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=cody8295;47116615]Yes we've established that the article is confusing and a little biased at times. It also mentions that only 25% of stoned drivers were more susceptible to crashing after smoking.
[editline]10th February 2015[/editline]
You are from Peru, go find a peruvian torch cactus and eat as much as possible. No need to be toying with such silly drugs as caffeine and theobromine when there is probably a hearty source of mescaline in your backyard[/QUOTE]
Do you thing all Peruvians live in mud yurts, petting their alpacas all day long while binge slurping on hallucinogen cacti scum while praising sun God and mother earth?
Because we totally do.
But we never drive while high that's fucking retarded
[QUOTE=OrDnAs;47117298]Do you have this inane ability to make borderline shitposts and not get banned?
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Do you thing all Peruvians live in mud yurts, petting their alpacas all day long while binge slurping on hallucinogen cacti scum while praising sun God and mother earth?
Because we totally do.
But we never drive while high that's fucking retarded[/QUOTE]
San pedro wouldnt be hard to find anywhere in peru
[QUOTE=cody8295;47109966]The law can suck my dick, i do what i feel is right, disregarding what the government thinks is best for me[/QUOTE]
This is an extremely dangerous mindset to have when on the road, and could get you or others seriously injured
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47117494]This is an extremely dangerous mindset to have when on the road, and could get you or others seriously injured[/QUOTE]
I'm not out to hurt others im minding my own business driving normally, but the notion of another person telling me how to live my life is laughable.
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