• A study from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concludes that driving after smoking
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Some people need to get from their moral high ground.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47120677]What's the point in giving another side of the argument if you can wash it away simply like it were something else? [/QUOTE] Because the point is that that 'other side' of the argument doesn't count for much. Intoxicated people are very poor at introspection and consistently rate their skills while intoxicated as better than they are. It's worse with alcohol than marijuana, and studies confirm this, but studies also confirm that marijuana still negatively affects driving ability and it's foolish to dismiss it because your personal experience (while high) makes you think it helps. [QUOTE=junker154;47120698]Some people need to get from their moral high ground.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry that expecting people to be sober while operating a multiple-ton potentially lethal vehicle is 'moral high ground'. I don't give a flying fuck whether or not you smoke, just don't smoke and then get behind the wheel and then try to tell everyone that being under the influence makes you a better drive. It's demonstrably bullshit and it's a hazard to everyone else on the road.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47120775]I'm sorry that expecting people to be sober while operating a multiple-ton potentially lethal vehicle is 'moral high ground'. I don't give a flying fuck whether or not you smoke, just don't smoke and then get behind the wheel and then try to tell everyone that being under the influence makes you a better drive. It's demonstrably bullshit and it's a hazard to everyone else on the road.[/QUOTE] This was not directed towards you, it's absolutely recommendable and mature to think like this. But I bet half of the people who dismiss other people for driving drunk/stoned have done it already. I'm not a huge fan of hypocrites.
Woe all this dumb and bad Ratings are people thst ignorant about weed u stupid people get some education you stupid fucks. Fuck you all smoke weed and drive everyday
There is ignorance on both sides of the argument. Stoners who believe weed is a perfect harmless plant with no downsides at all, then the other side who believes all the hype and propaganda against it. The stoners dismiss all arguments as "he's just believing all the reefer madness shit" and the others just believe you're a druggie and your opinion is 100% invalid. I don't pretend that it has no negative effects, but like I said earlier the effects change from person to person. And if you don't believe I drive better high (me specifically, not the majority of the MJ community) then I welcome your opinion, but it's my experience and I stand by it.
[QUOTE=inebriaticxp;47121061]And if you don't believe I drive better high (me specifically, not the majority of the MJ community) then I welcome your opinion, but it's my experience and I stand by it.[/QUOTE] My problem with a lot of stoners is that they have absolutely no self-awareness, not realizing that they are a. unable to accurately assess their competence when under the effects of mind-altering substances, and b. using the [I]exact same arguments[/I] that people did to excuse drinking and driving. I've heard 'it affects everyone differently' before. I've heard 'just a little actually makes me drive better' before. I've heard 'once you get used to it you can compensate' before. I've heard 'even while intoxicated, I'm better than 99% of drivers' before. And I've certainly heard 'in my experience it's not a problem' before. People used to say this kind of shit all the time and it took decades for the reality of drunk driving to get hammered into the public consciousness, and yet there are still people who get behind the wheel drunk, pulling out the same laundry list of excuses, and it gets innocent people killed. Using the exact same arguments with an undercurrent of 'fuck the police can't tell me what to do' is exactly what makes smokers look like irresponsible idiots. I don't even smoke but I support legalization, and people like this make it harder to overcome the social stigma against weed. It'd be one thing to say that its effects are minor and should be treated like mild drugs (like ADD meds) back when there was very little data, but driver testing shows that weed has a clearly negative effect, and I will absolutely trust scientific testing over 'I do it all the time and I'm fine!'.
can a mod reword the title the study finds that having THC in your bloodstream(which, if you've smoked before, you know it stays in there for a while) isn't an impairment to driving this [B]DOES NOT MEAN[/B] driving while [B]stoned out of your mind[/B] is safe.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47120677]What's the point in giving another side of the argument if you can wash it away simply like it were something else? Weed is no where even close to alcohol when it comes altering someone's mental state or ability to function. Using alcohol as the medium to judge cannabis against is stupid. Maybe cigarettes I can understand, but to compare weed to alcohol is laughable to me.[/QUOTE] But it is [i]proven[/i] that being stoned impairs your ability to drive. Cigarettes don't have the same effect. Self-reflective anecdotal evidence means nothing, especially when it's being judged while under the influence of any drug. The drug's purpose is to change your ability to observe things and alter your mood. Unless you're being judged by a blind observer, your findings on your own driving style while under the influence are meaningless because the drug affects your ability to judge in the first place. Alcohol is far more dangerous but that does not mean that marijuana is not dangerous at all. You're right, using alcohol to judge marijuana is stupid because it discounts the potential risk to marijuana - when you compare the two, you'd definitely rather drive high than drunk, but the lesser of two evils is not necessarily good.
i've probably said this before, but i've never driven recklessly after smoking weed, but the paranoia i can experience in heavy traffic can make driving very difficult, loathe some, and, most of all, dangerous. i remember pulling up to a four way stop sign once, and all opposing sides had cars pull up at the exact same time. everyone was just sitting there, so i slowly began inching out and then the dude to the left decided try to get across extra quick, until he finally realized i was pulling out, and it was just an all around shit show to be honest. point is, i still drive high even today without any sort of worry or consequence, but i will never advocate the action, as marijuana effects everyone differently. [editline]11th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Snowmew;47121450]But it is [i]proven[/i] that being stoned impairs your ability to drive. Cigarettes don't have the same effect. Self-reflective anecdotal evidence means nothing, especially when it's being judged while under the influence of any drug. The drug's purpose is to change your ability to observe things and alter your mood. Unless you're being judged by a blind observer, your findings on your own driving style while under the influence are meaningless because the drug affects your ability to judge in the first place. Alcohol is far more dangerous but that does not mean that marijuana is not dangerous at all. You're right, using alcohol to judge marijuana is stupid because it discounts the potential risk to marijuana - when you compare the two, you'd definitely rather drive high than drunk, but the lesser of two evils is not necessarily good.[/QUOTE] any psychotropic drug will affect your ability to function to a certain degree, and, in most cases, DWI's are not discriminant regarding what drug you're under the influence. technically, if you're under the influence of any drug (caffeine, nicotine, prescriptions) while driving, you're liable to receive a DWI. the thing is, who's going to be able to prove that though? so i mean, you probably won't get a DWI for drinking 6 consecutive cups of coffee and taking to the road, but you would be incorrect in assuming just because a drugs side effects are insignificant, that it won't affect your ability to function. i guess i'm trying to say that driving is dangerous enough as it is without you changing the normal formula in any sort of way.
It's also proven that habitual users are much less affected by it than first timers
[QUOTE=cody8295;47117521]I'm not out to hurt others im minding my own business driving normally, but the notion of another person telling me how to live my life is laughable.[/QUOTE] i'm minding my own business stop tellin me how to live my life now excuse me whIle I operate a car high off my ass, lol good luck everybody else
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;47121866]i'm minding my own business stop tellin me how to live my life now excuse me whIle I operate a car high off my ass, lol good luck everybody else[/QUOTE] You guys act like weed actually impairs motor skills, haha, seriously just smoke a blunt and get on the highway, its easy
[QUOTE=inebriaticxp;47121791]It's also proven that habitual users are much less affected by it than first timers[/QUOTE] How long will it be before weed advocates give an argument for why impaired driving is okay that hasn't already been used for other substances? Of course alcoholics are less affected by drinking before driving than people who don't drink, what's your point? [QUOTE=cody8295;47121879]You guys act like weed actually impairs motor skills, haha, seriously just smoke a blunt and get on the highway, its easy[/QUOTE] You've already proudly announced that you're an irresponsible idiot, you don't need to dig the hole any deeper.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;47120340]Also you shouldn't be using weed to treat your anxiety, there are better drugs that won't impair your driving.[/QUOTE] is the basis for anti-anxiety meds now how it impairs your driving? i wouldn't so sure about them being "better", you'd be surprised what they do to you in the long run
[QUOTE=cody8295;47117521]I'm not out to hurt others im minding my own business driving normally, but the notion of another person telling me how to live my life is laughable.[/QUOTE] what the fuck
[QUOTE=cody8295;47121879]You guys act like weed actually impairs motor skills, haha, seriously just smoke a blunt and get on the highway, its easy[/QUOTE] I'm really at a loss of words.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47121895]How long will it be before weed advocates give an argument for why impaired driving is okay that hasn't already been used for other substances? Of course alcoholics are less affected by drinking before driving than people who don't drink, what's your point.[/QUOTE] Why do people keep bringing up alcohol? We're all aware that its a dangerous and deadly drug, even when not in combination with driving [editline]11th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=jiggu;47122142]I'm really at a loss of words.[/QUOTE] Thc doesnt impair my motor skills, nor does it impair common judgements that need to be made to operate a vehicle, yall just arent used to it
[QUOTE=cody8295;47122354]Thc doesnt impair my motor skills, nor does it impair common judgements that need to be made to operate a vehicle, yall just arent used to it[/QUOTE] Correct, it doesn't. Which is what the article stated. Note the keyword - THC. But getting stoned [b][i]does[/i][/b], which the article does not argue against. There is more to getting stoned than THC in your bloodstream. You're probably too high to understand the difference, but it does impair your judgement, and it does delay reaction time. That is a proven, scientific fact. A few people may not be affected - such is the bane of statistics. However, on average, people who get stoned are worse drivers. You telling us over and over that it doesn't affect you is inherently not credible or productive because you are judging your performance while under the influence of a drug that relaxes you and makes you think more highly of yourself. Unless there is someone objectively judging your driving, anything you say about it is absolutely worthless and possibly wrong. I am all for legalization and I don't believe that smoking pot is bad, but you and the rest of "weed culture" makes me really reconsider my position... I'm now supporting people that make these kinds of ridiculous, illogical, selfish decisions that you've demonstrated in this thread.
[QUOTE=inebriaticxp;47121791]It's also proven that habitual users are much less affected by it than first timers[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://facepunch.com/image.php?u=409743&dateline=1421219079[/IMG] less affected is still affected y'know.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;47123012]I am all for legalization and I don't believe that smoking pot is bad, but you and the rest of "weed culture" makes me really reconsider my position... I'm now supporting people that make these kinds of ridiculous, illogical, selfish decisions that you've demonstrated in this thread.[/QUOTE] What kind of position do you have on weed if you'd change it just from reading an online post from someone you don't even know? Also, how about we categorize the selfish people with the selfish people, the inconsiderate with the inconsiderate, etc. If someone gets drunk and drives, you could call them irresponsible, short sighted, selfish, etc. but why would you identify them as an "alcohol drinker", and be pissed at people who drink alcohol, when not everyone who drinks it will drive drunk.
I'm going to say most of the people in this thread claiming that driving stoned is on par with driving whilst on alcohol haven't actually gotten proper high over half a dozen times.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;47123012] You're probably too high to understand the difference, but it does impair your judgement, and it does delay reaction time. That is a proven, scientific fact. A few people may not be affected - such is the bane of statistics. [B]However, on average, people who get stoned are worse drivers.[/B] You telling us over and over that it doesn't affect you is inherently not credible or productive because you are judging your performance while under the influence of a drug that relaxes you and [B]makes you think more highly of yourself. [/B]Unless there is someone objectively judging your driving, anything you say about it is absolutely worthless and possibly wrong. [/QUOTE] Actually weed and other psychedelics tend to lessen the ego instead of feeding it. Also, the study clearly states that only 1/4th of participants had any increase in chance of crashing after smoking.
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;47123690]I'm going to say most of the people in this thread claiming that driving stoned is on par with driving whilst on alcohol haven't actually gotten proper high over half a dozen times.[/QUOTE] Nobody in this thread is saying they're the same. What people are saying is that it's still intoxication and the excuses people are using to justify driving while high are exactly the same and just as invalid as the excuses people use to justify driving drunk. Case in point, cody here goes right from 'why are you comparing it to alcohol' to using the same bullshit argument alcoholics do to excuse drunk driving :rolleyes: [QUOTE=cody8295;47122354]Why do people keep bringing up alcohol? We're all aware that its a dangerous and deadly drug, even when not in combination with driving Thc doesnt impair my motor skills, nor does it impair common judgements that need to be made to operate a vehicle, yall just arent used to it[/QUOTE]
People saying that it's not as bad as drinking alcohol while driving are right. But it should still be treated the same, because regardless of what you say about it, it affects your decision making and impairs you, it affects everyone differently just like alcohol, some people can handle more and some people can handle barely any at all, which is why it should just have a blanket ban on driving [B]while high[/B]. It should be treated exactly the same because it puts other people at risk on the road, you should be at your best mentally before getting behind the wheel, because you are in control of a vehicle which can harm other people, not just yourself.
You know what, this is my first post on this forum in years. I lurk every once in a while, but for some reason this thread struck a cord that really makes me not give two fucks weather or not I'm banned from this post. I failed my license test twice when I was sober doing it, once I decided to get high for the third time, I passed. I even know people who have taken shots of vodka before their test because they are so on edge about failing, that they end up passing just because they are taking a substance that is comfortable for them. I smoke and drive consistently, (I'm more calm in my daily traffic routine doing so.) Just because I don't live in a medical state doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed the medicine that makes me feel comfortable. And I've never been pulled over, in fact I've driven for an entire LSD trip. EVERYBODY is different. So Fuck y'all. Get off your fucking high horse behind your computer. This forum is a joke for basement freaks, get out in the world before you let your autism get the best of you. And I couldn't give two fucks if this post gets me banned. I have age behind me and I have been driving for YEARS! You people need to learn that not every fucking person in the world is built like you. All life & energy around you was placed on this earth for a reason. I'm not even a religious person by any means, but I thank "God" everyday for the blessings that I am given in this world. And if someone wants to tell me that the way I am living my life is wrong, well strait up fuck them.
[QUOTE=Blunt Master;47124091]You know what, this is my first post on this forum in years. I lurk every once in a while, but for some reason this thread struck a cord that really makes me not give two fucks weather or not I'm banned from this post. I failed my license test twice when I was sober doing it, once I decided to get high for the third time, I passed. I even know people who have taken shots of vodka before their test because they are so on edge about failing, that they end up passing just because they are taking a substance that is comfortable for them. I smoke and drive consistently, (I'm more calm in my daily traffic routine doing so.) Just because I don't live in a medical state doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed the medicine that makes me feel comfortable. And I've never been pulled over, in fact I've driven for an entire LSD trip. EVERYBODY is different. So Fuck y'all. Get off your fucking high horse behind your computer. This forum is a joke for basement freaks, get out in the world before you let your autism get the best of you. And I couldn't give two fucks if this post gets me banned. I have age behind me and I have been driving for YEARS! You people need to learn that not every fucking person in the world is built like you. All life & energy around you was placed on this earth for a reason. I'm not even a religious person by any means, but I thank "God" everyday for the blessings that I am given in this world. And if someone wants to tell me that the way I am living my life is wrong, well strait up fuck them.[/QUOTE] Maybe you should be the one getting a reality check, with your "fuck ya'll" attitude to driving while high and tripping, endangering other people on the road, and maybe it's your own autism stopping you from feeling any empathy for the huge amount of people who have been victims of car accidents because of people abusing substances and getting behind the wheel.
[QUOTE=Blunt Master;47124091]You know what, this is my first post on this forum in years. I lurk every once in a while, but for some reason this thread struck a cord that really makes me not give two fucks weather or not I'm banned from this post. I failed my license test twice when I was sober doing it, once I decided to get high for the third time, I passed. I even know people who have taken shots of vodka before their test because they are so on edge about failing, that they end up passing just because they are taking a substance that is comfortable for them. I smoke and drive consistently, (I'm more calm in my daily traffic routine doing so.) Just because I don't live in a medical state doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed the medicine that makes me feel comfortable. And I've never been pulled over, in fact I've driven for an entire LSD trip. EVERYBODY is different. So Fuck y'all. Get off your fucking high horse behind your computer. This forum is a joke for basement freaks, get out in the world before you let your autism get the best of you. And I couldn't give two fucks if this post gets me banned. I have age behind me and I have been driving for YEARS! You people need to learn that not every fucking person in the world is built like you. All life & energy around you was placed on this earth for a reason. I'm not even a religious person by any means, but I thank "God" everyday for the blessings that I am given in this world. And if someone wants to tell me that the way I am living my life is wrong, well strait up fuck them.[/QUOTE] this guy gets it [editline]11th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Tasm;47124097]Maybe you should be the one getting a reality check, with your "fuck ya'll" attitude to driving while high and tripping, endangering other people on the road, and maybe it's your own autism stopping you from feeling any empathy for the huge amount of people who have been victims of car accidents because of people abusing substances and getting behind the wheel.[/QUOTE] We shouldnt blame drivers who choose to drive under the influence of a substance, instead blame the irresponsible drivers who are reckless, sometimes under the influence, and who are the true danger out on the roads. Look at it this way, if somebody who has never smoked a cigarette before but does so while driving, he might get an intense headrush which would distract him temporarily from steering, but every day i see motherfuckers smoking in their cars and its not a huge deal if they're not as effected by the drug as a beginner might be.
I'm literally Laughing out loud right now in my hotel room at 4am. Get a reality check. [editline]11th February 2015[/editline] I'm literally a rat in a cage, so to speak:[url]http://elitedaily.com/news/world/scientists-may-discovered-real-cause-addiction/915030/[/url]
I actually am dumbfounded how fucking retarded you both are. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - postal))[/highlight]
Cool, go drive for 16 hours and tell me how you feel.
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