A study from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concludes that driving after smoking
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[QUOTE=cody8295;47124100]
We shouldnt blame drivers who choose to drive under the influence of a substance, instead blame the irresponsible drivers who are reckless, sometimes under the influence, and who are the true danger out on the roads.[/QUOTE]
Anyone under any influence driving is a danger on the road. Your freedom ends when it infringes on another. Use of your vehicle on roads is a privilege, not a right.
Prove it. I'm serious. Prove to me your bullshit claim that ME (not you, not him or her, not your fucking dog, just ME) driving high is a risk to others. Or maybe you can't because 17,000 fucking posts obviously claims that you don't have any real life experience other than behind your fucking computer.
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What do you guys even mean by driving high?
When you say you drive high, do you mean you just smoke the same amount of weed as usual, so you don't actually get high, since you have a high tolerance?
Or do you mean you're getting high, really high, so much that you just want to sit there motionless or something?
[QUOTE=Blunt Master;47124449]Prove it. I'm serious. Prove to me your bullshit claim that ME (not you, not him or her, not your fucking dog, just ME) driving high is a risk to others. Or maybe you can't because 17,000 fucking posts obviously claims that you don't have any real life experience other than behind your fucking computer.[/QUOTE]
Prove what. The Source proves it. Theres not enough information to say your bold anecdotal statement of its perfectly fine to drive high.
I dont need to prove shit, captain.
Apparently post count means a lot to you, so maybe you should just stick to lurking if you're so butthurt about it.
[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47124484]What do you guys even mean by driving high?
When you say you drive high, do you mean you just smoke the same amount of weed as usual, so you don't actually get high, since you have a high tolerance?
Or do you mean you're getting high, really high, so much that you just want to sit there motionless or something?[/QUOTE]
any experienced weed user will tell you, a habitual stoner who gets really really high on a consistent basis is one who spends A FUCKLOAD of money on weed (and probably needs to quit). the more you smoke, the more weed you need to smoke to reach that "stoned off your face" level, and most users (at least in the circles i run in) don't even bother. They'll smoke a bowl or two and get a nice fade going, but in most cases not necessarily enough to be very affected by it, which is what i mean when i say the effects are different for habitual users vs first timers/people who only use rarely.
once again, i'm not condoning stoned driving, but it's for this reason that i don't worry at all when i find myself in a position where i need to drive high. and it's not because i'm high and my ego is through the roof (cody says a lot of retarded fucking shit in this thread but he's right about one thing, it doesn't cloud your judgement in quite that way [not saying it doesn't cloud your judgement at all]). i trust myself as a safe competent driver when i'm sober and i just don't feel getting a little faded changes that for me.
[editline]11th February 2015[/editline]
and now blunt master is here adding his ignorance on top of codys
why does my side of this argument have to look so much worse than yours all the time
[QUOTE=cody8295;47123705]Actually weed and other psychedelics tend to lessen the ego instead of feeding it. Also, the study clearly states that only 1/4th of participants had any increase in chance of crashing after smoking.[/QUOTE]
So if 25% of people who drive high crash [b][i]in a small-scale, statistically insignificant study[/i][/b], that means driving high is safe?
Even if the study is large enough to capture the true risk - which it admits it's not - there is now a 25% higher risk of crashing. Getting into an accident is a matter of chance. 25% of these folks exhibited bad luck. It does not mean that the other 75% were safe - it could mean that the other 75% just didn't get in an accident because they never put themselves at risk. Almost everyone here claiming that they drive safer high is because they drive paranoid and slowly because they are subconsciously aware that they are a road hazard. The statistics are skewed by this reaction.
I can explain it until I'm blue in the face but you have repeatedly shown yourself to be an immature, self-centered, indiscriminate fuckhead in all manners regarding this proven, real danger because you can misinterpret this study and relate it to your worthless, inaccurate anecdotal observations about yourself.
Have you ever drove high? Its fucking horrible and could defdefinitely cause an accident as plenty of People I know have almost caused a few.
[QUOTE=butered_toast;47126132]Have you ever drove high? Its fucking horrible and could defdefinitely cause an accident as plenty of People I know have almost caused a few.[/QUOTE]
I drive high daily and its safer than driving sober
[QUOTE=cody8295;47126189]I drive high daily and its safer than driving sober[/QUOTE]
You and Blunt Master are willingly putting other people's lives in danger every day you drive high. Kill yourselves before you kill someone else, holy fuck.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47126189]I drive high daily and its safer than driving sober[/QUOTE]
lol no it's not
[QUOTE=jesse1412;47108925] I think it's pretty clear to anyone who's used it or been around users that it leaves you less than "normal"..[/QUOTE]
ugh fuck people who think everybody is "normal" and that weed somehow takes them away from that
for a lot of people, weed makes them "normal". furthermore, what the fuck is normal anyway? who are you to say what is normal?
[editline]12th February 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=butered_toast;47126132]Have you ever drove high? [/QUOTE]
yes as a registered medical marijuana patient i have and it's fucking simple
One of my favorite teachers son was killed because the driver was high.
I drove home after smoking a bowl with a friend. I was aware of my surroundings the entire time, never going too fast around others. I was able to predic how other drivers might react, i was as capable as i am when sober.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47129881]I drove home after smoking a bowl with a friend. I was aware of my surroundings the entire time, never going too fast around others. I was able to predic how other drivers might react, i was as capable as i am when sober.[/QUOTE]
no, being high makes objects completely indecipherable, makes all your actions to be completely different than what you imagine you're doing, makes you so slow you might as well be stuck in molasis and makes you so impaired standing is an acheivment.
or at least that's what this thread would leave you to believe about being high. I swear to god I've never experienced anything like what the non smokers in this thread describe as a normal high.
[editline]12th February 2015[/editline]
I don't terribly approve of you smoking and driving, but at the same time the level of "You're a complete dithering idiot who when high, can't even piece two and two together" is just wrong.
also, people completely skipping over the detail that dosage is, with all drugs, maybe the most important factor. if you take a sip of beer, you'll be completely fine to drive. same goes for weed, a small hit won't factor into your driving abilities very much at all. but introduce three more beers, or three cookies respectively, and the equation changes.
[QUOTE=mark6789;47128176]One of my favorite teachers son was killed because the driver was high.[/QUOTE]
under the impression that alcohol was possibly involved
[QUOTE=cody8295;47133203][url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2015/02/12/if-marijuana-causes-lots-of-crashes-why-are-they-so-hard-to-count/[/url][/QUOTE]
Enough.
[QUOTE]Two recent population-based case control studies have estimated the crash risk of drug use by drivers by using NHTSA’s Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) 2007 data for the crash-involved driver population and the 2007 National Roadside Survey of Alcohol and Drug Use by Drivers for the control drivers (Lia, Bradya, & Chen, 2013; Romano, Torres-Saavedra, Voas, & Lacey, 2014). The Li study estimated the increased risk of crash involvement for drivers using marijuana at 1.83 times that of drug-free drivers, while the Romano study found no increased risk of crash involvement for those drivers testing positive for THC (the main psychoactive substance in marijuana).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The risk estimates resulting from marijuana use ranged from 0.82 to 7.16 (two studies showing marijuana use reduced the risk of crash involvement while seven studies showed an increased risk). The pooled odds ratio for all nine studies was 1.92.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]In a pooled analysis of the DRUID data, the highest risk of crash involvement was for drivers with high alcohol concentrations (above .12 BAC)—they had a crash risk 20–200 times that of sober drivers. Drivers with BACs between .08 and .12 were estimated to be 5–30 times more likely to crash than sober drivers. Drivers positive for THC were estimated to be at elevated risk (1–3 times that of sober drivers), similar to drivers with BAC levels between .01 to < 0.05.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]"While the findings of this case control study were equivocal with regard to the crash risk associated with drug use by drivers," NHTSA warns, "these results do not indicate that drug use by drivers is risk-free." In other words, the fact that THC-positive drivers are no more accident prone, as a group, than THC-negative drivers (after adjustment for confounding) does not mean it is smart or safe to get behind the wheel when you are actually stoned.[/QUOTE]
Smart? Probably not.
Safe? Nothing about driving in public is safe other than how idiot-proofed it is.
That's why when you're behind the wheel, you better give it your full attention 100% of the time.
20/15 vision helps too.
Don't blame me for the roads being dangerous when I obey all laws otherwise while there's people out there smoking sacks of PCP before getting behind the wheel and drive as recklessly as possible, there's gutted out camaros and civics racing eachother down residential areas. Don't give me some bullshit that [i]potheads [/i] are putting anyone else at significant risk compared to everyone else that apparently [i]shouldn't[/i] be on the road.
I think you all should try riding with a driver who's fucking toasted, then try riding with someone who's baked.
Tell me which is the scarier experience.
[QUOTE=andy85258;47247945]I think you all should try riding with a driver who's fucking toasted, then try riding with someone who's baked.
Tell me which is the scarier experience.[/QUOTE]
They're both stupid, nice bump too.
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