• NATO is now targeting Moammar Gadhafi
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Send him a $200 fine.
Finally. It was already time for Muamar/Muammar/Moammar/Mu'ammar Gaddafi/Khadafi/Cadafi/Khaddaffi/Ghaddafi to die.
[QUOTE=Detective P;30362312] What I mean by that is that by having NATO kill Ghaddafi, then we can't say it was the Libyans, and the revolution will lose the wind to its sails, especially in the post-war. It's happened before. This is a Libyan civil war, and it is important that the Libyan people see themselves as the victors, NOT a foreign power. It is essential to the success of the regime after, and the keeping of peace. When the old Libya falls, it needs to be "We united peoples of Libya stopped the reign of Ghaddafi, built a new republic, and gave power tot he people," and not, "The Europeans and Americans stopped Ghaddafi for us, and we will form a government based around what our powerful allies would like to see." It's happened before. Plenty of times. It could happen again. [/QUOTE] I completely agree with this bit, NATO helping the revolution stay alive is one thing. However it should be the Libyan people that remove Gaddafi from power in the end. Ideally he should be arrested and actually tried, to get proper justice for anything he is accused of doing.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30362116]Good, now we can properly bring him to justice.[/QUOTE] For...? So far it's all he said, she said, and people are granting more credit to NATO and their cronies simply because people thump the assumed moral high road. NATO never makes mistakes or conducts corrupt military actions with ulterior motives, clearly, even though every other power on the face of the earth since the beginning of human history has, so people bandwagon with whatever NATO thinks is a good idea. It's not a no-fly zone to attempt to assassinate leaders you don't like. It's called attempted murder, and would land you in jail or executed if you did it as a civilian. [QUOTE=Kopimi;30362131]it seems a tad unorganized for you to disobey international law and send in airstrikes on his home compound in hopes of killing him (and kill his children/grandchildren in the process), and then after a month or so of doing all that, you decide to make it official[/QUOTE] It's the moral high road, remember? He "apparently" (and this is just what they're telling us, without much basis) did illegal things, so we do illegal things in return, as if it's justified because he did it first. Now they're covering their rears to try to add legitimacy to their attempt at assassination, which is illegal, after the fact. I find it extremely disturbing nobody sees anything wrong with this. The man is a human being, no greater or lesser than anyone else on this forum except for a title and some over-emphasized authority. How people can view him so crassly and uncaringly is beyond me - when we've been in his shoes, then we can throw the first stone.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;30371927]when we've been in his shoes, then we can throw the first stone.[/QUOTE] So when I've been a brutal dictator, then I can criticize him?
[QUOTE=Rautatie;30366504]Gaddafi sends soldiers to rape people who oppose him. Maybe we should send soldiers to rape him. He's an asshole, he kinda deserves it.[/QUOTE] His asshole deserves it
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30371983]So when I've been a brutal dictator, then I can criticize him?[/QUOTE] Perhaps that's the wrong choice of words. When you consider all your information is coming through the people bombing the crap out of him who have some kind of vendetta against middle easterners, they're not going to tell us the whole story or give out information that might discredit or hinder their cause - forget the media here, there's just not much unbiased info to be had at all. Anything Gaddhafi is saying just gets pissed on and swept under the rug, so we're left with NATO's uber justified war view, not what's the meat of the matter. When you're a lone wolf country's leader, then you'll understand just how corrupt this action really is. It's our word against theirs, with little proof, and people support NATO out of a false sense of justice because NATO is conveniently always right when their enemies are always demonized solitary authoritarians, truth be damned (read: Iraq, no WMDs). We've effectively been bullying smaller, weaker, and isolated powers into submission for years now. Gaddhafi won't listen to NATO and participate in their cooperative, hence why we have this mess; they're still backing the rebels despite a definite presence of Al Qaeda fighters.
Libya operation is good PR that the french and the british dragged the other NATO countries in.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;30372524]Perhaps that's the wrong choice of words. When you consider all your information is coming through the people bombing the crap out of him who have some kind of vendetta against middle easterners, they're not going to tell us the whole story or give out information that might discredit or hinder their cause - forget the media here, there's just not much unbiased info to be had at all. Anything Gaddhafi is saying just gets pissed on and swept under the rug, so we're left with NATO's uber justified war view, not what's the meat of the matter. When you're a lone wolf country's leader, then you'll understand just how corrupt this action really is. It's our word against theirs, with little proof, and people support NATO out of a false sense of justice because NATO is conveniently always right when their enemies are always demonized solitary authoritarians, truth be damned (read: Iraq, no WMDs). We've effectively been bullying smaller, weaker, and isolated powers into submission for years now. Gaddhafi won't listen to NATO and participate in their cooperative, hence why we have this mess; they're still backing the rebels despite a definite presence of Al Qaeda fighters.[/QUOTE] You keep talking about this as if it's some kind of US police action, when this was France's and Britain's idea, dragging the rest of NATO with it.
What could you expect from the global alliance of Corporate/American run governments, well of course they will try to kill the one man who tries to stop there tyranny.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30373683]What could you expect from the global alliance of Corporate/American run governments, well of course they will try to kill the one man who tries to stop there tyranny.[/QUOTE] The nations of the UN/NATO are all American-run?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30373744]The nations of the UN/NATO are all American-run?[/QUOTE] All the countries in NATO are american controlled. A game of puppets.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30373295]You keep talking about this as if it's some kind of US police action, when this was France's and Britain's idea, dragging the rest of NATO with it.[/QUOTE] Yeah despite the constant jokes about france's surrender they are actually good at this war thing.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30373768]All the countries in NATO are american controlled. A game of puppets.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/GPwuQ.png[/img] yep all america controlled!!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BoDFAOhbbQ&feature=related[/url] This perfectly illustrated my feeling towards Gaddafi
This is wrong and highly, but I can sort of see where NATO is coming from on this one. An extended conflict will be an excruciating process for all parties involved. Yes the revolution will lose wind if it's won primarily by western military powers, but the revolution would lose momentum much the same if the conflict drags on for too long. Assassinating Qadaffi is a plan that _might_ end the conflict quickly. It's quite the double-standard NATO has, going after a criminal dictator for crimes against his people then committing a crime of similar quality by targeting a country's leader for political reasons (which is internationally recognized as a huge crime). But honestly now, even if NATO has a hidden agenda behind this you can't deny that it would make the majority of the Libyans happy. If a leader fails to serve his people, he should step down. If he is not willing, use of force is warranted.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;30374055]This is wrong and highly, but I can sort of see where NATO is coming from on this one. An extended conflict will be an excruciating process for all parties involved. Yes the revolution will lose wind if it's won primarily by western military powers, but the revolution would lose momentum much the same if the conflict drags on for too long. Assassinating Qadaffi is a plan that _might_ end the conflict quickly. It's quite the double-standard NATO has, going after a criminal dictator for crimes against his people then committing a crime of similar quality by targeting a country's leader for political reasons (which is internationally recognized as a huge crime). But honestly now, even if NATO has a hidden agenda behind this you can't deny that it would make the majority of the Libyans happy. If a leader fails to serve his people, he should step down. If he is not willing, use of force is warranted.[/QUOTE] You can't really group all of NATO into some kind of hivemind, because it paints a very inaccurate picture. If you do this, you paint countries like Denmark and Norway as just as big of warmongers as any other NATO nation.
[img]http://media.steampowered.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/03/036fb0daeed05da1bc7affe34047d42d12bf43f3_full.jpg[/img] Oh shit, wrong thread.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30373295]You keep talking about this as if it's some kind of US police action, when this was France's and Britain's idea, dragging the rest of NATO with it.[/QUOTE] Give up, he has failed to understand the difference between UN/NATO and the US government for a while now.
[QUOTE=Jsm;30375825]Give up, he has failed to understand the difference between UN/NATO and the US government for a while now.[/QUOTE] Already went through one fellow who said that all of NATO was US-controlled, so it doesn't surprise me that there'd be more.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30373683]What could you expect from the global alliance of Corporate/American run governments, well of course they will try to kill the one man who tries to stop there tyranny.[/QUOTE] Yes, that poor, poor Gadaffi. Truly, he is the one I feel sorry for.
SPECTRE is responsible for all this
[QUOTE=Lufttygger306;30375906]SPECTRE is responsible for all this[/QUOTE] From James Bond?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30374034][img]http://i.imgur.com/GPwuQ.png[/img] yep all america controlled!![/QUOTE]Don't bother responding to him, he's been trolling these threads since the Libyan civil war started.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30375959]From James Bond?[/QUOTE] Gaddafi is Blofeld The fact is that I am the only one that knows it Who's James Bond? What are you talking about?
[QUOTE=The Pretender;30362300]Some replace the G with K too, I don't get it. What the fuck is his real name..[/QUOTE] مُعَمَّر ٱلْقَذَّافِيّ That's why there are different interpretations of the English spelling of it.
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;30376725]مُعَمَّر ٱلْقَذَّافِيّ That's why there are different interpretations of the English spelling of it.[/QUOTE] Can we just call him Marcus Gregory instead? There's less chances of misspellings and it makes him sound like a Scottish Bond Villain.
[QUOTE=Coffee;30376792]Can we just call him Marcus Gregory instead? There's less chances of misspellings and it makes him sound like a Scottish Bond Villain.[/QUOTE] I agree, this should be the official spelling in all threads regarding him on FP.
[QUOTE=Jsm;30375825]Give up, he has failed to understand the difference between UN/NATO and the US government for a while now.[/QUOTE] Of course, If I don't share your main stream media bullshit opinion i'm "trolling".
If they manage to capture him, just don't fucking kill him before the trials are over like you did with Saddam Hussein. Give people some justice and clearance.
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