[QUOTE=yaik9a;30377562]Of course, If I don't share your main stream media bullshit opinion i'm "trolling".[/QUOTE]
I wasn't referring to your post, unless there is something you aren't telling us.
That aside, if you genuinely believe the that the US is controlling the entire world you have problems you need to have sorted out.
NATO? You're fucked now buddy
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30373744]The nations of the UN/NATO are all American-run?[/QUOTE]
The UN is based in New York, and the majority of its personal are from the United States. Half of NATO's ships used in the initial attack were from the US and 66 percent of the personnel, 50 percent of the aircraft and 93 percent of the cruise missiles also came from the US. In addition, we also cover 25 percent of their expenditures.
Source: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/flashback-to-the-campaign_b_866759.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;30377995]The UN is based in New York, and the majority of its personal are from the United States. Half of NATO's ships used in the initial attack were from the US and 66 percent of the personnel, 50 percent of the aircraft and 93 percent of the cruise missiles also came from the US. In addition, we also cover 25 percent of their expenditures.
Source: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/flashback-to-the-campaign_b_866759.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Regardless of this, the French and British were the ones who pushed for this, and as joint members of a military alliance, we have a duty to aid them just as they have a duty to aid us in military operations.
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[QUOTE=yaik9a;30377562]Of course, If I don't share your main stream media bullshit opinion i'm "trolling".[/QUOTE]
If you aren't trolling, then please explain how the 27 other NATO nations, including Denmark, Norway, and Finland, are under US control.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30378051]Regardless of this, the French and British were the ones who pushed for this, and as joint members of a military alliance, we have a duty to aid them just as they have a duty to aid us in military operations.
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If you aren't trolling, then please explain how the 27 other NATO nations, including Denmark, Norway, and Finland, are under US control.[/QUOTE]
There is varying degrees of US control in NATO, with the UK being the highest and Scandinavian countries being the lowest but still over all control by the corporatocracy that is the United States Government.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;30377995]The UN is based in New York, and the majority of its personal are from the United States. Half of NATO's ships used in the initial attack were from the US and 66 percent of the personnel, 50 percent of the aircraft and 93 percent of the cruise missiles also came from the US. In addition, we also cover 25 percent of their expenditures.
Source: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/flashback-to-the-campaign_b_866759.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Nato only exists because Europe is far to weak to defend itself from any real threat. They need the USA to back them in everything.
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[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;30377674]If they manage to capture him, just don't fucking kill him before the trials are over like you did with Saddam Hussein.
Give people some justice and clearance.[/QUOTE]
Does he really deserve a trial. No, he'd end up living in a luxery prison for the rest of his life. Kill him.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30378051]Regardless of this, the French and British were the ones who pushed for this, and as joint members of a military alliance, we have a duty to aid them just as they have a duty to aid us in military operations.[/QUOTE]
The French refused to help us in the Iraq war. And I don't see why we should be a part of this conflict, as it currently is in violation of the War Powers Act, making it technically illegal for our government to continue operations without a congressional declaration of war. In addition, European countries receive a large amount of their oil from Libya, whereas the United States obtains very little oil from Libya.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30379361]There is varying degrees of US control in NATO, with the UK being the highest and Scandinavian countries being the lowest but still over all control by the corporatocracy that is the United States Government.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't explain how they are under US control. You are simply restating the same thing again.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30362116]Good, now we can properly bring him to justice.[/QUOTE]
How about 500 pounds of High Explosive justice?
[QUOTE=Jsm;30380003]This doesn't explain how they are under US control. You are simply restating the same thing again.[/QUOTE]
The NATO countries are under the control of the US regime of fascism because since the the USA's corporations manipulate and control "Free Market" Capitalist countries through manipulation of the government through the economic system. Using Consumerism and the media the Fascist controllers of the USA Government almost directly control the populace and by extension the voters allowing them easy implementation of USA/Capitalist friendly policies and by fooling the moderate left wingers with "Social Democracy" they feel that there is no manipulation going on.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30373683]What could you expect from the global alliance of Corporate/American run governments, well of course they will try to kill the one man who tries to stop there tyranny.[/QUOTE]
Can you stop being a retard.
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[QUOTE=yaik9a;30380268]The NATO countries are under the control of the US regime of fascism because since the the USA's corporations manipulate and control "Free Market" Capitalist countries through manipulation of the government through the economic system. Using Consumerism and the media the Fascist controllers of the USA Government almost directly control the populace and by extension the voters allowing them easy implementation of USA/Capitalist friendly policies and by fooling the moderate left wingers with "Social Democracy" they feel that there is no manipulation going on.[/QUOTE]
God damn this is hillarious, my Trotskyite friend is laughing his ass off at your conspiracy.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30380268]The NATO countries are under the control of the US regime of fascism because since the the USA's corporations manipulate and control "Free Market" Capitalist countries through manipulation of the government through the economic system. Using Consumerism and the media the Fascist controllers of the USA Government almost directly control the populace and by extension the voters allowing them easy implementation of USA/Capitalist friendly policies and by fooling the moderate left wingers with "Social Democracy" they feel that there is no manipulation going on.[/QUOTE]
You still haven't actually explained (or proven for that matter) how the US controls the world. What "USA/Capitalist friendly polices" have been easily implemented in NATO countries?
Also are you suggesting that every single major company in the US is controlled by the US government and therefore able to carry out the will of the US government in other countries?
[QUOTE=Jsm;30380480]You still haven't actually explained (or proven for that matter) how the US controls the world. What "USA/Capitalist friendly polices" have been easily implemented in NATO countries?
Also are you suggesting that every single major company in the US is controlled by the US government and therefore able to carry out the will of the US government in other countries?[/QUOTE]
No but all capitalist entities want the same thing and since the US Government is a puppet to them and the NATOs countries are puppets to the american government, there policies are kept very similar and also I did say how the the populace is manipulated by consumerism and the media witch are all capitalist controlled to be directly supportive of the USA/USA Friendly policy and/or Capitalism, the only reason that leftist parties and demonstrations are tolerated to give the illusion of freedom.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30387974]No but all capitalist entities want the same thing and since the US Government is a puppet to them and the NATOs countries are puppets to the american government, there policies are kept very similar and also I did say how the the populace is manipulated by consumerism and the media witch are all capitalist controlled to be directly supportive of the USA/USA Friendly policy and/or Capitalism, the only reason that leftist parties and demonstrations are tolerated to give the illusion of freedom.[/QUOTE]
You still have not said what these polices are. Please give some concrete examples of how the US have controlled other countries.
[QUOTE=Jsm;30390208]You still have not said what these polices are. Please give some concrete examples of how the US have controlled over countries.[/QUOTE]
He kind of just starting going on about "...since the US Government is a puppet to them and the NATO countries are puppets of the American government..." without actually explaining or proving it.
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[QUOTE=yaik9a;30387974]the only reason that leftist parties and demonstrations are tolerated to give the illusion of freedom.[/QUOTE]
Also this is rendered void by the fact that certain NATO nations have had Democratic Socialist governments while in NATO.
The title of the source article has now ben changed to "NATO official: Gadhafi a legitimate target" and I can't find any sources which back up NATO targeting him.
[QUOTE=Jsm;30390208]You still have not said what these polices are. Please give some concrete examples of how the US have controlled other countries.[/QUOTE]
Well aside from the UK's deployment to Iraq, Anti piracy laws, The war on drugs are just some examples of policies that the USA/corporations force on countries.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30395112]Well aside from the UK's deployment to Iraq, Anti piracy laws, The war on drugs are just some examples of policies that the USA/corporations force on countries.[/QUOTE]
So the possibility of the leaders of any other NATO nation legitimately agreeing with an American action is just non-existant?
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[QUOTE=smurfy;30391130]The title of the source article has now ben changed to "NATO official: Gadhafi a legitimate target" and I can't find any sources which back up NATO targeting him.[/QUOTE]
Sounds a bit more mild.
If the rebels win, I just really hope that NATO and every other country involved lets the Libyan rebels choose what type of government they want to have, and not interfere with any part of the selection of the leader. It is their revolution not NATO's, so if they wanted to put communism into place, (not saying they would) then NATO should respect their wishes.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;30396413]If the rebels win, I just really hope that NATO and every other country involved lets the Libyan rebels choose what type of government they want to have, and not interfere with any part of the selection of the leader. It is their revolution not NATO's, so if they wanted to put communism into place, (not saying they would) then NATO should respect their wishes.[/QUOTE]
While I can't see them going with Communism, I doubt NATO would impose some pre-selected leader on them, as they have an already established governmental body ready to take power, the National Transitional Council.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30395112]Well aside from the UK's deployment to Iraq, Anti piracy laws, The war on drugs are just some examples of policies that the USA/corporations force on countries.[/QUOTE]
But surely if the US had control over every country in NATO / UN as you claim the entire of NATO would have helped and a second UNSC resolution would have been secured?
I'll agree with the anti piracy laws, there is pretty solid proof that the US government have (atleast attempted to) interfere with the Swedish legal system regarding piracy.
But anyway, this is getting miles off topic.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30396285]So the possibility of the leaders of any other NATO nation legitimately agreeing with an American action is just non-existant?
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Sounds a bit more mild.[/QUOTE]
Most citizens(IE:Voters) would disagree with the those following policies as most people want peace not war, want to be able to torrent shit and most sane people want the war on drugs to end but the leaders of those countries ignored there citizens and just did those policies anyway proving that they don't care about what there electorate thinks just want America/Corporations want.
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[QUOTE=Jsm;30397490]But surely if the US had control over every country in NATO / UN as you claim the entire of NATO would have helped and a second UNSC resolution would have been secured?
I'll agree with the anti piracy laws, there is pretty solid proof that the US government have (atleast attempted to) interfere with the Swedish legal system regarding piracy.
But anyway, this is getting miles off topic.[/QUOTE]
As I said, varying degrees of control or the fact that they need to keep variety in order for people not to really get whats going on.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30400730]Most citizens(IE:Voters) would disagree with the those following policies as most people want peace not war, want to be able to torrent shit and most sane people want the war on drugs to end but the leaders of those countries ignored there citizens and just did those policies anyway proving that they don't care about what there electorate thinks just want America/Corporations want.
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As I said, varying degrees of control or the fact that they need to keep variety in order for people not to really get whats going on.[/QUOTE]
Do you really think that the common person pays enough attention to individual NATO or UN decisions and resolutions that keeping things varied would change their perception?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30378051]If you aren't trolling, then please explain how the 27 other NATO nations, including Denmark, Norway, and [b]Finland[/b], are under US control.[/QUOTE]
Since when we Finnish were in NATO? Sure, we have done fun times together with NATO but NEVER been in it.
[QUOTE=Careld;30402659]Since when we Finnish were in NATO? Sure, we have done fun times together with NATO but NEVER been in it.[/QUOTE]
Ah, you're right, my mistake.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30401227]Do you really think that the common person pays enough attention to individual NATO or UN decisions and resolutions that keeping things varied would change their perception?[/QUOTE]
Thats because of the rampant consumer culture that creates political apathy and the ones that do care are kept in the dark because of the variedness.
[editline]12th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jsm;30397490]But surely if the US had control over every country in NATO / UN as you claim the entire of NATO would have helped and a second UNSC resolution would have been secured?
I'll agree with the anti piracy laws, there is pretty solid proof that the US government have (atleast attempted to) interfere with the Swedish legal system regarding piracy.
But anyway, this is getting miles off topic.[/QUOTE]
The US has control of NATO and most of the UN (The Organisation Itself) A lot of countries governments like Russia and China counter balance the fact that the USA and NATO itself have about three permanent seats.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30407735]The US has control of NATO and most of the UN (The Organisation Itself) A lot of countries governments like Russia and China counter balance the fact that the USA and NATO itself have about three permanent seats.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to assume you mean the Security Council, but you still have yet to explain how the US has control over the other NATO nations.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30409295]I'm going to assume you mean the Security Council, but you still have yet to explain how the US has control over the other NATO nations.[/QUOTE]
I did explain how the US has control over other NATO nations, are you reading this fully.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30411343]I did explain how the US has control over other NATO nations, are you reading this fully.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I have. As far I've seen all you've done is restated that the US has control over NATO nations through Fascism and Corporatism, without actually explaining how.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30411387]Yes, I have. As far I've seen all you've done is restated that the US has control over NATO nations through Fascism and Corporatism, without actually explaining how.[/QUOTE]
Wow your pretty dense allow me to quote myself: [quote]The NATO countries are under the control of the US regime of fascism because since the the USA's corporations manipulate and control "Free Market" Capitalist countries through manipulation of the government through the economic system. Using Consumerism and the media the Fascist controllers of the USA Government almost directly control the populace and by extension the voters allowing them easy implementation of USA/Capitalist friendly policies and by fooling the moderate left wingers with "Social Democracy" they feel that there is no manipulation going on.
No but all capitalist entities want the same thing and since the US Government is a puppet to them and the NATOs countries are puppets to the american government, there policies are kept very similar and also I did say how the the populace is manipulated by consumerism and the media witch are all capitalist controlled to be directly supportive of the USA/USA Friendly policy and/or Capitalism, the only reason that leftist parties and demonstrations are tolerated to give the illusion of freedom.
Well aside from the UK's deployment to Iraq, Anti piracy laws, The war on drugs are just some examples of policies that the USA/corporations force on countries.
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