• Priest drowns baby during baptism
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[QUOTE=bravehat;23728185]Or you know, if the priest didn't submerge the kid he would have been alive. I've been baptised it's like they flick some super water at you and shit happens and suddenly you belong to god. There's no submersion involved because your average person knows "baby underwater is bad" This priest was just phenomenally fucking retarded.[/QUOTE] Well, it's partially true, but the concept of baptism is sill highly wreckless and a health risk in general. It's not like a minister goes to ministerschool and practice in forehand. Alot of rituals in religion is unchangable too, since "god wouldn't be too happy about that.", I mean, many aspects in religion is based upon ignorance, and people aren't too happy about change, since they think it will ruin their afterlife. I'm just saying, all religions have dumb and inconsiderate things such as this going on, and they won't make precussions since it's against a higher rule beyond their control. Look at the Jehovas whitnesses, they prohibit surgury, killing tons of people. Or the muslims, they are like the new Ireland when it comes to spousal abuse due to that they use the same, dumb and inconsiderate middle-ages honor system, that they used thousands of years ago, since recently god hasn't passed out a memo reguarding the new order of things. I guess the difference is that non-religious agendas and concepts can be changed if things goes bad, and make them more safe. But in religion, that just isn't a valid concept.
The thing is, this guy was religious that doesn't mean religion was to blame, just the fuck head who put his own personal retarded style of baptism to the religion. Oh and I've known a few muslims, they've been fuck all like the wife beating extremists of the middle east. Although I do agree it's getting tiring trying to drag religions kicking and screaming into the modern ages.
Well, yeah, I'd say it's easy to summon it up: Feel free to [I]belive[/I]. But keep it at that, don't try to change others, and if your religion dislikes something, stay the fuck away from it and never, ever, ever tell anyone anything about it. Basicly, if you belive, it's an inner thing, so no need to vomit it all over common sense.
[QUOTE=Sickle;23728109]Alright if you want to take the fucking backdoor in your argument. Had religion not been invented, the baby wouldn't have 'needed' to be baptized, thus it wouldn't have died.[/QUOTE] Alright if you want to take the fucking backdoor in your argument. Had firearms not been invented, people wouldn't have 'needed' to be shot, thus they wouldn't have died.
Yeah but we need to kill things. And don't argue that we don't cause invariably international tensions rise and people get killed it's unavoidable. Also if it wasn't for the advent of modern firearms maiming each other in ever more brutal ways we wouldn't be anywhere near as medically advanced as we are. Firearms have probably saved more lives through technological trickle than they have killed since the out break of the first world war. [editline]03:08PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Vinze;23728439]Well, yeah, I'd say it's easy to summon it up: Feel free to [I]belive[/I]. But keep it at that, don't try to change others, and if your religion dislikes something, stay the fuck away from it and never, ever, ever tell anyone anything about it. Basicly, if you belive, it's an inner thing, so no need to vomit it all over common sense.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying, believe whatever you want just keep it to yourself until such point someone asks for your opinion.
Priest was probably drunk.
[QUOTE=Nerdrage;23728290][img]http://psiopradio.com/wp-content/uploads/shit-storm-weatherman.jpg[/img] let's not mention religeon on FP again, its a waste of braincells: you aren't converting anyone to atheism/your religion, and intellectual argument is out of the question. try saying i'm wrong, just Ctl F and you'll find about 6 shit storms that are exactly the same, 10 pages of "religeon is dum" "fuk u, not it isnt"[/QUOTE] You're completely right. Finally, a sensible person. All this testosterone fueled hate towards religion isn't going to make any difference. If you honestly hate religion and think it's retarded, be a man, and not a basement dwelling nerd, go tell people on the street and preach your atheistic views. Sure, you'll be just like all the bible waving people you see, but it'll be okay since you're not delusional. :rolleye:
[QUOTE=Sickle;23728109]Alright if you want to take the fucking backdoor in your argument. Had religion not been invented, the baby wouldn't have 'needed' to be baptized, thus it wouldn't have died.[/QUOTE] militant atheist detected so if a person in a vehicle runs over a pedestrian, it's the car's fault, right?
there's no such thing as militant atheism. that's like saying there's such a thing as being forcefully apathetic you're thinking of antitheism
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_atheism[/url] read up brosteak
yes because clearly wikipedia is an authority on words
Just stop with the "hurr wikipedia = shit durr", even if everyone can change it, it's still a rather sure source of informations. Doesn't mean I defend the atheism extremists here, it's clearly not the religion's fault but the priest. Claiming the baby would have lived if religion didn't exist is as stupid as claiming dinosaurs would still live if this asteroid didn't appear. You can't predict it, and it's stupid to blame something because it existed and caused something it wasn't supposed to originally cause.
[QUOTE=Doriol;23734229]yes because clearly wikipedia is an authority on words[/QUOTE] christ, you're an idiot did you fail to see the references, notes, external links, and the bibliography at the bottom?
[QUOTE=JDK721;23735519]christ, you're an idiot did you fail to see the references, notes, external links, and the bibliography at the bottom?[/QUOTE] when it comes to defining atheist/theist terms doriol gets like a hard-on correcting people. [editline]10:47AM[/editline] [QUOTE=bravehat;23728669]Yeah but we need to kill things. And don't argue that we don't cause invariably international tensions rise and people get killed it's unavoidable. Also if it wasn't for the advent of modern firearms maiming each other in ever more brutal ways we wouldn't be anywhere near as medically advanced as we are. Firearms have probably saved more lives through technological trickle than they have killed since the out break of the first world war. [editline]03:08PM[/editline] Yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying, believe whatever you want just keep it to yourself until such point someone asks for your opinion.[/QUOTE] i'm pro-gun i was just using it as an example of how fucking retarded his argument was.
[QUOTE=SHoGuNNeR;23725490]I see the atheists are running a muck again. We all have different opinions, and so what if someone has a different view then you? Leave them be. Amber, you're probably an anti-social greasy nerd that doesn't leave his house without mommy there.[/quote] I'm married (she's hot) and I own my own house. But you got me there. [quote]Would you honestly debate this in real life with people that you know and call them delusional because they have faith in a god? No you wouldn't, because, unless you're the most inept person in the universe, you'd realize that insulting religious people and customs is a one way ticket to getting yourself hated by many people.[/quote] I've had many discussions and heated arguments with people in real life over this subject, including several fundamentalist Christians, all of whom I've called delusional at some point. Also, isn't that kind of ironic? I thought the Christ-base faiths were supposed to be about tolerance and love? [quote]Sure, if someone is shoving his religion in your face, you can tell him to shut up. But, not everyone is like that, so let them practice their god damned religion and learn some respect. I'm sure you would hate someone trying to convert you to Catholicism, but, take a fucking look at yourself. You're just as bad.[/quote] Learn some respect? Respect is earned. Fully grown adult human beings placing their entire lives in the hands of a fictional entity and relying on ancient fairy tales to guide their lives does [B][I]NOT[/I][/B] deserve respect. [quote]So just do me a favor, and shut the fuck up.[/quote] No. [quote]Also, you're an idiot for thinking one negligent person is a reason to think that the whole religion is at fault. I could say the same fucking thing about anything. "34 year old man dies whilst working on Macy's Thanksgiving Parade float." "God, parades are fucking retarded. If idiotic people didn't get entertained by parades, this wouldn't have happen in the first place."[/quote] Parades and floats serve an actual purpose.
[QUOTE=BagMinge101;23664928]3 years in jail? Really?[/QUOTE] Welcome to Europe. 3 years in jail, or 3 years with a luxury cell and cable TV + faster internet than most Americans. Can I take your hat? It's not allowed to wear hats in prison.
[QUOTE=Tools;23739084]Welcome to Europe. 3 years in jail, or 3 years with a luxury cell and cable TV + faster internet than most Americans.[/QUOTE] [citation needed]
[QUOTE=Amber Lamb;23739044]I'm married (she's hot) and I own my own house.[/QUOTE] Really, what husband would be arguing about religion on an internet forum with 16 - 18 year olds instead of spending time with their hot (Yea... okay) wife? Way I see it: 1: If you're not lying about having a hot wife and using it in an argument, you probably just married her for sex. 2. You're an insecure greasy nerd that lives in his mother's basement and is lying about having a life. 3. You're wife is ugly, and you're extremely insecure. [QUOTE=Amber Lamb;23739044]I've had many discussions and heated arguments with people in real life over this subject, including several fundamentalist Christians, all of whom I've called delusional at some point. Also, isn't that kind of ironic? I thought the Christ-base faiths were supposed to be about tolerance and love? [/QUOTE] Who the hell said I was a theist? [QUOTE=Amber Lamb;23739044] Learn some respect? Respect is earned. Fully grown adult human beings placing their entire lives in the hands of a fictional entity and relying on ancient fairy tales to guide their lives does [B][I]NOT[/I][/B] deserve respect.[/QUOTE] Men who can't accept the fact that people differ in views and opinions and decide to start arguments whenever someone else's opinion is brought up do [b][i]NOT[/i][/b] deserve respect. Debates are different. You're just blatantly insulting religion. It's as if Obama's defense to McCain was "Now, I'm not saying use liberals haven't done something similar, but, in this case conservatives are directly responsible for allowing such things to happen in the first place. I will continue thinking you're all a bunch of redneck fucks that love NASCAR and shooting and backyard wrestling." [QUOTE=Amber Lamb;23739044]Parades and floats serve an actual purpose.[/QUOTE] Parades and Floats entertain people. Do we honestly need them? No. Do we still have them? Yes. Religion was created (in my opinion) to answer the unknown. Now, we can answer those questions. Still, people follow religions because they have faith. Sure, you might not have any, but, others do. You're obviously a 15 year old asperger crying for attention if you have problems with others' faiths and views on the world. One day, you'll realize, that people aren't all the same, and you can't just insult something that differs from your own view just because you think it's pointless. God Amber, you're a fucking child. I don't buy that married bullshit at all. Continue being a delusion angsty teenager please.
[QUOTE=SHoGuNNeR;23739666]Really, what husband would be arguing about religion on an internet forum with 16 - 18 year olds instead of spending time with their hot (Yea... okay) wife?[/quote] That's the kind of response I expect from some single kid who probably doesn't have a lot of sex, if any. I don't spend every waking moment with my wife, we live and sleep together, time apart is healthy. We have our own interests and hobbies. I enjoy spending time on Facepunch here and there, and sometimes I argue, so what? [quote]Way I see it: 1: If you're not lying about having a hot wife and using it in an argument, you probably just married her for sex. [B]WRONG, she is my very best friend. The sex is awesome though![/B] 2. You're an insecure greasy nerd that lives in his mother's basement and is lying about having a life. [B]WRONG.[/B] 3. You're wife is ugly, and you're extremely insecure. [B]VERY, VERY WRONG.[/B][/quote] This is my wife: [img]http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/3561/crystal1.jpg[/img] [img]http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2479/crystal2.jpg[/img] [quote]Who the hell said I was a theist?[/quote] No one, you said it's a quick way for me to get hated by a lot of people. No one in real life that I've talked to about this subject hates me. [quote]Men who can't accept the fact that people differ in views and opinions and decide to start arguments whenever someone else's opinion is brought up do [b][i]NOT[/i][/b] deserve respect.[/quote] I would respect another's opinion on any other subject aside from the opinion that fictional entities exist. This includes things like ghosts. A friend of mine, who shares my views on religion, somehow believes in ghosts, and I've called him out on that shit. [quote]Debates are different. You're just blatantly insulting religion.[/quote] Won't argue with you there. [quote]Parades and Floats entertain people. Do we honestly need them? No. Do we still have them? Yes.[/quote] Fine, agreed. [quote]Religion was created (in my opinion) to answer the unknown. Now, we can answer those questions. Still, people follow religions because they have faith. Sure, you might not have any, but, others do. You're obviously a 15 year old asperger crying for attention if you have problems with others' faiths and views on the world. One day, you'll realize, that people aren't all the same, and you can't just insult something that differs from your own view just because you think it's pointless.[/quote] Yes, I can. [quote]God Amber, you're a fucking child. I don't buy that married bullshit at all. Continue being a delusion angsty teenager please.[/QUOTE] Well, you don't have to, and surely I cannot prove any of this to you aside from showing you my life in person, so trying to convince you otherwise would be pointless (kind of like trying to explain how a non-existent, invisible entity has any kind of influence on one's life and the universe in which they live).
amber you sound like an asshole tbh let people believe in a God, etc. if they want. why do you care?
[QUOTE=JDK721;23740466]amber you sound like an asshole tbh let people believe in a God, etc. if they want. why do you care?[/QUOTE] For the most part, I do. I do most of my venting with faceless people that I don't give a shit about, that way I can take it easy around real people (although, as I mentioned earlier, I have had heated discussions in person). For example, last weekend I had a little get together with some of our close friends, and we all got drunk and high and sat around a fire in my backyard. One guy kept bringing up everyone's beliefs and the reason for them as a subject of discussion. If you've ever been high, you know how involved and even emotional you can get in a conversation like that. My response was: "Let's not get into this, its going to ruin everyone's mood." And we left it at that. It's a mixed group of people with different beliefs. That guy actually had to leave early because he had church in the morning. My wife is a Catholic, although she's rather casual about it.
just don't be a fascist cunt who goes around saying how religion is so bad and that it should be banned
[QUOTE=JDK721;23740803]just don't be a fascist cunt who goes around saying how religion is so bad and that it should be banned[/QUOTE] No promises. Also, it's not that I want it banned, it's just that I want it to not exist anymore.
priest should have eaten the baby afterwards then he'd be a true christian :smug:
[QUOTE=JDK721;23740803]just don't be a fascist cunt who goes around saying how religion is so bad and that it should be banned[/QUOTE] why do you think it's your duty to tell people what not to think or say
"Religion teaches people to hate other groups, so if you are Religious you are stupid." Pot, meet kettle.
[QUOTE=Doriol;23741493]why do you think it's your duty to tell people what not to think or say[/QUOTE] His opinions and ideals are the correct ones.
i killed a man, if religon didn't exist... that man would still be alive even though i killed him for his wallet tru story, ask amber land. [editline]08:18PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tools;23739084]Welcome to Europe. 3 years in jail, or 3 years with a luxury cell and cable TV + faster internet than most Americans. Can I take your hat? It's not allowed to wear hats in prison.[/QUOTE] uh, no
[QUOTE=Warhol;23742212]i killed a man, if religon didn't exist... that man would still be alive even though i killed him for his wallet tru story, ask amber land. [editline]08:18PM[/editline] uh, no[/QUOTE] Thanks for your contribution, it added quite a bit of value to the conversation.
dude, you're sitting there arguing that religion has NEVER done good. That's just ignorant and a generalisation
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