You guys do realize this article was written by The Sun, right?
Oh shit, this actually happened. My bad. :(
[QUOTE=nullsquared;23665192]How can people possibly defend religion with shit like this?
Face it - if religion didn't exist, shit like this wouldn't happen. It doesn't matter if it's accidental, and it doesn't matter if it's an isolated case.[/QUOTE]
If we didn't have religion the entire world would have been in permanent uproar with things like murder, rape, overall bad things centuries ago.
[QUOTE=Asswipe;23676584]If we didn't have religion the entire world would have been in permanent uproar with things like murder, rape, overall bad things centuries ago.[/QUOTE]
lol
no
[QUOTE=Asswipe;23676584]If we didn't have religion the entire world would have been in permanent uproar with things like murder, rape, overall bad things centuries ago.[/QUOTE]
You mean like life during the middle ages? SHIZZAM
[QUOTE=Spacewolf;23665020]Another life ruined by that twisted religion.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, cause religion was what killed the baby. Not a dumbass priest. :downs:
[QUOTE=The golden;23676775]Religion dictates that this man should dunk this child underwater.[/QUOTE]
You make it sound worse than it actually is. Baptism is completely safe. It's been practiced for ages. If the person performing the baptism has an IQ above 50, they should be fine.
Stop pinning stupid bullshit like this on religion. Seriously, the intolerance on facepunch is pathetic.
Europe should raise the time of sentence for murdering infants to a much longer time than 3 years
[QUOTE=B1N4RY!;23676848]Europe should raise the time of sentence for murdering infants to a much longer time than 3 years[/QUOTE]
1. Europe isn't a country.
2. It was not murder.
3. No.
[QUOTE=Spacewolf;23665020]Another life ruined by that twisted religion.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure drowning the kid wasn't part of the religion. It's the priest's fault completely.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23673309]How is he right? Or are you one of those people that think all morals come from religion?[/QUOTE]
you realize that religion funded early science? early scientists were priests and what not because they wanted to learn more. being a priest in that time was like being a scientist in our time, they were considered to be the ones who knew the most about the world and such and so thats where the people who wanted to understand the world went. now we have actual scientists and the scientific method, therefore religion is outdated and in my opinion completely irrelivant to modern society as it only interferes and causes problems that arent outweighed by its charitable contributions.
I wouldn't say it only causes problems. Aside from stupid people that take it too far, I think many of them actually teach good values that would be helpful in modern society.
[QUOTE=Doriol;23676965]1. Europe isn't a country.
2. It was not murder.
3. No.[/QUOTE]
1.Maybe I was generalizing all European countries? Just maybe?
2. How ISN'T this murder? Accident or not, the priest killed the baby.
3. Yes.
You're not supposed to hold the damn thing underwater for any length of time. Man, he must have been one thick-ass priest.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;23678298]I wouldn't say it only causes problems. Aside from stupid people that take it too far, I think many of them actually teach good values that would be helpful in modern society.[/QUOTE]
killing is bad
gay people are bad
stealing is bad
not believing in god is bad
being raped is bad
very valueable in modern society. except for the fact that the only rational ones can be dervived from the gold rule, aka we agree not to stealing is bad because getting robbed sucks, not religion, aka stealing is bad cuz the big guy said so.
It's a shame the baby died over something that would literally have no impact on his life.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;23678747]killing is bad
gay people are bad
stealing is bad
not believing in god is bad
being raped is bad
very valueable in modern society. except for the fact that the only rational ones can be dervived from the gold rule, aka we agree not to stealing is bad because getting robbed sucks, not religion, aka stealing is bad cuz the big guy said so.[/QUOTE]
Well you obviously know nothing about any religion and that's not really what I meant by values.
For example, my family and many others around here are Seventh Day Adventists(another type of Christianity) and when I say values, I don't mean things that you only believe because "God said so". Like Adventists take personal health to be very important as well as other familiar Christian values like just being charitable and a generally kind person.
[QUOTE=B1N4RY!;23678504]1.Maybe I was generalizing all European countries? Just maybe?[/QUOTE]
That's just as dumb as calling Europe a country.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;23678121]you realize that religion funded early science? early scientists were priests and what not because they wanted to learn more. being a priest in that time was like being a scientist in our time, they were considered to be the ones who knew the most about the world and such and so thats where the people who wanted to understand the world went. now we have actual scientists and the scientific method, therefore religion is outdated and in my opinion completely irrelivant to modern society as it only interferes and causes problems that arent outweighed by its charitable contributions.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, alot of ancient Greek philosophers and scientists didn't give a shit about the existence or lack of any gods.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23678975]I dunno, alot of ancient Greek philosophers and scientists didn't give a shit about the existence or lack of any gods.[/QUOTE]
alot isn't one word.
and others did give a fuck. the church it self gave funding in the later years after the greeks. yes religion is icky and the thought of it ever doing something good bothers you.
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[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;23678899]Well you obviously know nothing about any religion and that's not really what I meant by values.
For example, my family and many others around here are Seventh Day Adventists(another type of Christianity) and when I say values, I don't mean things that you only believe because "God said so". Like Adventists take personal health to be very important as well as other familiar Christian values like just being charitable and a generally kind person.[/QUOTE]
remind me again why you need an irrational belief to do any of this?
I feel very bad for laughing, but after my messed up period of laughter I did feel quite sorry for the baby.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;23664926]That's horrible :frown:
And now, for the religious flame war "lol religion is stupid".[/QUOTE]
Well, it is. Allthough I don't very often "flame", I try to rely on facts and historical records. You know, decency and rationality, the kind of thing of which would have saved this baby.
Atheist-related crimes are at an alltime low, or do you ever hear "36 year old bachelor died in horrific masturbation-accident"?
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;23678899]Well you obviously know nothing about any religion and that's not really what I meant by values.
For example, my family and many others around here are Seventh Day Adventists(another type of Christianity) and when I say values, I don't mean things that you only believe because "God said so". Like Adventists take personal health to be very important as well as other familiar Christian values like just being charitable and a generally kind person.[/QUOTE]
Charitable and generally kind? Christian?
Those are hardly christian, their "charity" normally goes to building new churches, and they are only generally kind to white, religious and mundane people who does everything they can to supress their urges as human beings. Hell, ever read the news on religious people hurling gay people off of cliffs? Or maybe making rituals involving babykilling?
Oh, I have, as a matter of fact, this headline is something like that. You insult mankind when you say "familiar Christian values", it's "familiar human values", and has nothing to do with being a christian, christianity as a whole is intolerant, condecending, discriminating and oppressive, and only because you make your own little pseudo-cultist branch, does not mean you're in any way better, that's just a sales-pitch to get more money... I mean, members.
[QUOTE=nullsquared;23665192]How can people possibly defend religion with shit like this?
Face it - if religion didn't exist, shit like this wouldn't happen. It doesn't matter if it's accidental, and it doesn't matter if it's an isolated case.[/QUOTE]
face it if tumbledriers didn't exist shit like this wouldn't happen: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=977154[/url] and it doesn't matter that it's an isolated case
if humanity didn't exist shit like wars wouldn't blah blah
Your logic is terrible.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;23678899]Well you obviously know nothing about any religion and that's not really what I meant by values.
For example, my family and many others around here are Seventh Day Adventists(another type of Christianity) and when I say values, I don't mean things that you only believe because "God said so". Like Adventists take personal health to be very important as well as other familiar Christian values like just being charitable and a generally kind person.[/QUOTE]
What exactly does being a nice person have to do with your religion?
[QUOTE=Fire and Ice;23681793]face it if tumbledriers didn't exist shit like this wouldn't happen: [URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=977154[/URL] and it doesn't matter that it's an isolated case
if humanity didn't exist shit like wars wouldn't blah blah
Your logic is terrible.[/QUOTE]
It's hardly the same, nobody could have prevented that. If they hadn't keep on drowning the child in order to keep god happy, it might just would have made it.
Nobody in their right mind would keep the kid in there just because god might had been pissed off otherwise.
[I]Your [/I]logic is terrible.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;23681831]What exactly does being a nice person have to do with your religion?[/QUOTE]
It's means you're [B]really, really, really[/B] optimistic... Or just a shallow sociopath, but it's about the same.
I don't think we here have to blame the religion but the priest's absolute stupidity. I mean, sure he killed the baby during a religious ceremony, but actually there are a shitload of baptisms running around the world, even for people who later don't affirm their religion, and this kind of accidents occur so rarely we just cannot blame them for it.
The problem clearly comes from the priest, who is apparently a definite idiot.
It appears some of us are still oooking at the situation as a tragic accident and that the priest was simply doing his job with good intentions, thus he does not deserve a punishment. Perhaps we should highlight some article lines.
[release]Mr Gaidau, 36, said his son was clearly in distress during the ceremony.
"He couldn't inhale, his face turned blue and he was foaming at the mouth. He [the priest] said we should not interrupt this their ritual," he said.
The baby's godmother, Aliona Vacarciuc, said the baby had been crying as the priest submerged him in the water.
"We couldn't believe it but we thought the priest must know what he's doing"
When the baby's angry relatives confronted the priest, he told them he knew what he was doing and was experienced at baptisms, Ms Vacarciuc said.
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This wasn't a simple accident, the priest was fucking insane with religion. He deserves way more than three years. You have to be an absolutely arrogant idiot to think that a baby that is foaming at the mouth with a blue head is not the baby drowning, but just "Satan fighting back" or just some exorcism shit.
He was covering up for the fact he molested the baby before hand.
[QUOTE=B1N4RY!;23678504]
2. How ISN'T this murder? Accident or not, the priest killed the baby.[/QUOTE]
uh
because it isn't
A murder is purely voluntary.
Here we're talking about a homicide, and probably an unintentional homicide with that.
In my opinion the priest wasn't some fanatic or shit like that, it must be a perfectly human problem, entirely coming from the priest and not from his religion.
[quote]*That fucking bitch will never know*
'Praise the lord as I anoint you in the holy waters of our good lord--'
*Die! Die! DIIIIEEEE!*
'--For he forgives your sins and he will always--'
*BWAHAHA BWAHAHA DIE YOU FUCKI--*
'Father! The baby is blue!'
'Shut up bitch I know what I'm doing.'[/quote]
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