American High School Band Marches with Hammer & Sickle
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I don't really think this is a big deal.
Oh god, those comments.
I'm not going to lie, Soviet anthems and stuff are sweet. Fuck haters, their marching band probably kicks ass anyway.
It's like they're all trapped in some bizzaro world where the 1950's had facebook.
[QUOTE=znk666;37794646]They confused hammer and sickle with swastikas.[/QUOTE]
no dude they're just comparing the ussr to nazi germany to certain degrees
To be fair, it [I]is[/I] about the music. Have you ever fucking heard that music? Inspirational shit.
[QUOTE=mac338;37794066]I am going to hold a band march celebration for the first intelligent comment ever posted on Fox News.[/QUOTE]
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Amazing series of comments for that post.
[IMG]http://puu.sh/18voF[/IMG]
I see no problem with this so long as they are commemorating and not celebrating the Russian revolution.
What happened to the Russian people is certainly not something which should be remembered favorably.
[QUOTE=Strider*;37796425]
What happened to the Russian people is certainly not something which should be remembered favorably.[/QUOTE]
The 'russian people' would disagree.
Rate dumb but you're still wrong. Also it's funny to talk about the revolution as something that 'happened to the russian people'.
I think it's time to dust off my Facebook trolling account and start commenting. I think I'll change the name to something Russian for added effect.
[QUOTE=lifehole;37795351][IMG]http://puu.sh/18voF[/IMG][/QUOTE]
damn that's heavy
Those comments are really reaching for maximum retard levels. Anyone with a sensible opinion gets shit on by twenty uninformed assholes. It's like I'm really on the internet.
[QUOTE=lifehole;37795351][IMG]http://puu.sh/18voF[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, I don't usually do this, but
your avatar
that post
[QUOTE=Conscript;37796614]The 'russian people' would disagree.[/QUOTE]
the joke is that those who agreed died in gulags
[editline]25th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=gudman;37794240]I'm not asking about official propaganda, it was so much worse in our side of "Iron Curtain", but next to no one honestly believed any word of that nonsense. I'm asking if anyone really believed that you can get yourself a nice little communism sitting in your guts.[/QUOTE]
yes people believed it and do to this day
I'm sure if they were marching with a confederate flag, the same people would be saying it's just for "historical" reasons.
[QUOTE=Strider*;37796425]I see no problem with this so long as they are commemorating and not celebrating the Russian revolution.
What happened to the Russian people is certainly not something which should be remembered favorably.[/QUOTE]
The russian revolution was a step forward, things would have probably been very different if Stalin had not eliminated Trotski or if he had just been capable of feeling overall.
Also the controversy on this has nothing to do with being respectful or discreet towards the russians, it's about the american communism "hysteria" that is not yet forgotten by the people who lived half their lives amidst it.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37796815]the joke is that those who agreed died in gulags[/QUOTE]
No they didn't, and US prison population is bigger than the gulag population at any point in time.
[QUOTE=Conscript;37796938]No they didn't, and US prison population is bigger than the gulag population at any point in time.[/QUOTE]
and more people get colds than die from AIDS so clearly AIDS isn't a problem
i don't know how many it was for stalin's purges in particular, but i do know that around 20 million people in total died at the hands of the soviet regime
[QUOTE=ashton93;37794702]Probably the best anthem ever[/QUOTE]
That anthem is the greatest in the world because it summarizes perfectly the many, many hardships the country and it's people has gone throught. Yet despite everything (including two collapses within 100 years) Russia is still standing.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37796971]and more people get colds than die from AIDS so clearly AIDS isn't a problem
i don't know how many it was for stalin's purges in particular, but i do know that around 20 million people in total died at the hands of the soviet regime[/QUOTE]
Shortly before world war 2 mortality rates were 10 times higher than in american prisons at their peak but after that it dropped alot even though shitloads of more people were put into gulags towards the 50's.
Not all gulag prisoners were political though they were always represented among prisoners.
I think it's safe to say for now that gulags killed less people than aids even though incarceration for political reasons is no joke.
Edit: Not to mention all those people who were just put next to a big hole and shot as ordered by Stalin ofcourse :v:
[QUOTE=Falchion;37797028]I think it's safe to say for now that gulags killed less people than aids even though incarceration for political reasons is no joke.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it was just a reductio ad absurdum of arguments of the form:
"X wasn't bad because Y is more common", where each individual Y is less bad than an X
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37796971]and more people get colds than die from AIDS so clearly AIDS isn't a problem[/quote]
Irrelevant. Point was the effect of the gulags are overstated.
[Quote]i don't know how many it was for stalin's purges in particular, but i do know that around 20 million people in total died at the hands of the soviet regime[/QUOTE]
Stalin's purges totaled at several hundred thousand executions and a couple million prison/gulag sentences. Most weren't political in nature.
Read this, and you might find it interesting:
[url]http://sovietinfo.tripod.com/GTY-Penal_System.pdf[/url]
Also, you should know about the relationship of yezhov to the purges and the reaction of the rest of the stalinists to him, ending in his execution for his excesses.
[QUOTE=Conscript;37797203]Stalin's purges totaled at several hundred thousand executions and a couple million prison/gulag sentences. Most weren't political in nature.[/QUOTE]
yeah just like how hitler only really had a few hundred thousand people executed, and just a few million in concentration camps. most of them were just jews, nothing political or nothin'
[editline]25th September 2012[/editline]
how can you just handwave something as "just a couple million", the sheer perversion of common decency and logic astound me
[QUOTE=Conscript;37797203]Irrelevant. Point was the effect of the gulags are overstated.[/QUOTE]
No they weren't. Millions got fucked over in the gulag system.
[QUOTE=Conscript;37797203]Stalin's purges totaled at several hundred thousand executions[/QUOTE]
Still doesn't excuse the fact they killed a hell of a lot of people in the name of Stalinism.
the comments hurt my head
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37797268]
how can you just handwave something as "just a couple million", the sheer perversion of common decency and logic astound me[/QUOTE]
1. Because of the scale compared to the population of the USSR
2. Because of the scale compared to cold war propaganda, idiots like solzhenitsyn (or however it's spelled) claim 60 million, half the population of the country.
3. Because of the dire conditions the USSR existed in
Something like the purge was inevitable given the conditions. It's only sad it's used by the west to prove they're noble and better or something, yet they're far from alien to something like the purge.
[Quote]still doesn't excuse the fact they killed a hell of a lot of people in the name of Stalinism. [/quote]
Nobody died 'in the name of stalinism'. Most crimes weren't even political in nature.
Don't expect many replies if you're just going to post assertions.
Before you say it, I'm not a stalinist. I sympathize with trotsky, but I can't stand the legacy of cold war propaganda.
[QUOTE=Conscript;37797359]1. Because of the scale compared to the population of the USSR[/quote]
I couldn't find population data for Russia before 1950. I did however find this:
[quote=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1937)]The Soviet Census held on January 6, 1937 was the most controversial of the censuses taken within the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The census results were destroyed and its organizers were sent to the Gulag as saboteurs because the census showed much lower population figures than anticipated.[1][/quote]
:v:
Regardless it doesn't matter. Nazi Germany had approximately 90 million people within its borders in 1941, and the graphs show that Russia had a population of just over 100 million in 1950, so extrapolate backwards - Russia and Nazi germany would have had approximately the same populations at the time. Direct comparisons are completely legitimate.
[quote]2. Because of the scale compared to cold war propaganda, idiots like solzhenitsyn (or however it's spelled) claim 60 million, half the population of the country.[/quote]
But that's irrelevant because I never claimed anything like 60 million. I said 20 million, across the whole soviet regime. You're making a strawman.
[quote]3. Because of the dire conditions the USSR existed in
Something like the purge was inevitable given the conditions. It's only sad it's used by the west to prove they're noble and better or something, yet they're far from alien to something like the purge.[/quote]
I want to actually see reasons why such a gigantic spillage of blood was inevitable or acceptable. Why should we give Stalin in particular a sticker saying "at least you tried" instead of seeing him as the psychopathic dictator he was? How many deaths would it take for you to admit that perhaps this whole communism thing isn't all it's cracked up to be? 30 million? 100 million? a billion? how many corpses would it take?
let's not forget about [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scope_neglect]scope insensitivity[/url]
the west is no angel but we are objectively superior to the soviets in pretty much every single metric.
[quote]Nobody died in the name of stalinism. Most crimes weren't even political in nature.[/quote]
This is your brain on communism
Oh my gosh, people stop arguing about mortality in Gulags and so on. We ourselves don't know for certain how many lives we've lost - most of the files on this are still kept "top secret", and official public documents of Soviet era are... sugar-coated at best.
And how Stalin is relevant to 1917, during that time he was nothing more then a regular bandit robbing banks. There were nice things that October brought to us - for instance, it utterly destroyed patriarchal relations in Russian society, women were free to vote and to work on par with men, sexual revolution, secularism, full destruction of absolutist monarchy with no means to reinstate it. Most of the things that's hated about Soviet Union were installed later by Stalin and his successors.
Where's the "The Nation finds this post Scary" photo when you need it?
[QUOTE=Conscript;37797359]1. Because of the scale compared to the population of the USSR[/QUOTE]
Say if there were 200 trillion people, and then one day 900 million people were killed by some loony, does that allow the loony to be handwaved?
[QUOTE=Conscript;37797359]2. Because of the scale compared to cold war propaganda, idiots like solzhenitsyn (or however it's spelled) claim 60 million, half the population of the country.[/QUOTE]
Lmao the Soviet Union had a population of about 137 million people in 1920, and 293 million when it finished. 60 million is not half of either of those figures.
Also Solzhenitsyn lived in the USSR. He saw first hand what conditions were like.
[QUOTE=Conscript;37797359]3. Because of the dire conditions the USSR existed in[/QUOTE]
lmao
[QUOTE=Conscript;37797359]Something like the purge was inevitable given the conditions.[/QUOTE]
how? it was completely unnecessary
[QUOTE=Conscript;37797359]It's only sad it's used by the west to prove they're noble and better or something, yet they're far from alien to something like the purge.[/QUOTE]
hey the misdeeds of western countries doesnt make the ussr any better
[QUOTE=Conscript;37797359]Nobody died 'in the name of stalinism'. Most crimes weren't even political in nature.[/QUOTE]
you got called a reactionary and sent to a gulag if you objected to your house being seized by the state along with your food
theres a reason the ukrainians hate the ussr
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