[QUOTE]ANKARA, Turkey — Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called on Turks living in Europe to have at least five children, saying it would be the best response to Europe’s “injustices.”Erdogan made the comments Friday while campaigning in the city of Eskisehir for a referendum that would usher in a presidential system and enhance his powers.[/QUOTE]
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erdogan is irl troll
Cockroach like tactics there from the man who is in in the middle of bringing Turkey down a straight up dictatorship.
That would be really expensive and would probably end up hurting a lot of turkish families. Having 5 kids in a developed country isn't something you do unless you really want it.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;51973766]Cockroach like tactics there from the man who is in in the middle of bringing Turkey down a straight up dictatorship.[/QUOTE]bringing?
[QUOTE]“Go live in better neighborhoods. Drive the best cars. Live in the best houses. Make not three, but five children. Because you are the future of Europe. That will be the best response to the injustices against you.”[/QUOTE]
What a genuine, ego-inflated, piece of shit.
Does he have any idea how expensive it is to raise two kids leave alone FIVE?
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51973847]Does he have any idea how expensive it is to raise two kids leave alone FIVE?[/QUOTE]
Doesnt matter how much its costs. He's referring to outbreeding and replacing the white population. Its just like the Ottoman invasions centuries ago, but more subversive.
man reading this boils my blood so unbelievably much.
i'm a dutch turk with 2 brothers and just the thought that a family would make more kids with the sole purpose of increasing the national % of turks of the country is BAFFLING. this is like a more subtle way of what ghenghis khan did jfc.
worst part is plenty of turkish families here will listen to this manbaby and do what he asks
[QUOTE=Jmir 54;51973872]Doesnt matter how much its costs. He's referring to outbreeding and replacing the white population. Its just like the Ottoman invasions centuries ago, but more subversive.[/QUOTE]
This is directly to empower euro skeptics/xenophobes (they tend to be roughly the same group) and mobilise people on the fence about immigration.
It's a move to destabilise European politics. ( not by changing demographics but by riling up the "they're out breeding us reeeee" crowd and giving them support to overthrow centrist/moderate governments and break up the EU )
"Make 5 children, and make EU pay for them" here's a better and concrete version of it :frown:
TBH at this point we ought to give Turkey an ultimatum and if they don't cut this shit out dash theif hopes of entering the EU. Fuck if they decide to release immigrants into Europe's borders, we shouldn't negotiate with would-be dictators.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51974145]TBH at this point we ought to give Turkey an ultimatum and if they don't cut this shit out dash theif hopes of entering the EU. Fuck if they decide to release immigrants into Europe's borders, we shouldn't negotiate with would-be dictators.[/QUOTE]
The EU voted to suspend accession negotiations with Turkey last November because of concerns about human rights and rule of law. Turkey's entrance into the EU basically died a few months ago, when the European Council refused to open new discussions into Turkey's membership talks because of the circumstances there. The coup, the shift towards autocracy, all of that killed [I]any[/I] hope Turkey has of entering the EU under Erdogan, ever.
Once Erdogan is removed, maybe they'll start having discussions again. But the coup killed off basically all discussion within the EU of Turkish entrance negotiations.
Fucking Ottomans at it again.
[QUOTE=Jmir 54;51973872]Doesnt matter how much its costs. He's referring to outbreeding and replacing the white population. Its just like the Ottoman invasions centuries ago, but more subversive.[/QUOTE]
That by itself wouldn't be a bad thing. The bad thing would be that most of these kids will have a terrible life and will lack education, bringing down quality of life for everyone.
[QUOTE]“Go live in better neighborhoods. Drive the best cars. Live in the best houses. Make not three, but five children. Because you are the future of Europe. That will be the best response to the injustices against you.”[/QUOTE]
I mean, at the point when they are able to afford to live in such conditions, they would already probably be assimilated to be considered Europeans anyway, and would understand how much better they have it in Europe than in Turkey.
Having 5 children in Europe, unless the parents have good jobs, will be a huge financial burden and the children will grow up in poverty.
This is just the kind of bullshit that excites right wing people of both sides.
Muslim radicals: FUCK EUROPE
European radicals: FUCK ISLAM.
Meanwhile, you all vote for parties that tell the other guy to fuck off, which is way exciting and shit, despite the economic policies that fuck you, the poor and angry, who was distracted by the rageful fun of having an increasingly legitimate enemy.
[QUOTE=The Jack;51974401]This is just the kind of bullshit that excites right wing people of both sides.
Muslim radicals: FUCK EUROPE
European radicals: FUCK ISLAM.
Meanwhile, you all vote for parties that tell the other guy to fuck off, which is way exciting and shit, despite the economic policies that fuck you, the poor and angry, who was distracted by the rageful fun of having an increasingly legitimate enemy.[/QUOTE]
Didn't half of UK vote to leave EU because they thought it was damaging their finances?
The European welfare systems would more than provide for these large families. That is the whole point. Why do you think Muslims continue to migrate there? They know they will just be able to take advantage of free shit. Even if living on welfare isn't luxurious, it's better than living in Turkey for a lot of people. On top of that, some welfare systems "reward" you when you have more kids.
This is what we have been complaining about. Erdogan has simply spelled out the strategy.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51973924]This is directly to empower euro skeptics/xenophobes (they tend to be roughly the same group) and mobilise people on the fence about immigration.
It's a move to destabilise European politics. ( not by changing demographics but by riling up the "they're out breeding us reeeee" crowd and giving them support to overthrow centrist/moderate governments and break up the EU )[/QUOTE]
lol, you are delusional. this is david icke tier conspiracy.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51974415]The European welfare systems would more than provide for these large families. That is the whole point. Why do you think Muslims continue to migrate there? They know they will just be able to take advantage of free shit. Even if living on welfare isn't luxurious, it's better than living in Turkey for a lot of people. On top of that, some welfare systems "reward" you when you have more kids.
This is what we have been complaining about. Erdogan has simply spelled out the strategy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm sure that there are tons of women out there that are thrilled to repeatedly go through the ordeal of bearing a child and spending nearly a quarter of their life caring for them just to get less money in welfare than it costs to raise them.
Seriously this entire stupid concept falls apart the moment you think about it for more than a second.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51974411]Didn't half of UK vote to leave EU because they thought it was damaging their finances?[/QUOTE]
No, half the UK voted to leave the EU because FUCK THE ELITE or FUCK THE MUSLIMS or FUCK IMMIGRATION (Which is very,very low, but you wouldn't get that from a tabloid)
The majority of rational to stay was economic reasons. Every expert was telling the UK that leaving the EU was a moron move for money.
Of course, our retard population came up with shit like "We've had enough of experts" and honestly, most of them were hoping that if we left the EU, we could make Great Britain great again, where we could have an empire, and laugh at germany for loosing two wars and being fascist a long time ago, and tell france to fuck itself, and be friends with trump, and nothing would happen to all those brits in europe with their summer houses in spain. And we can laugh at countries like latvia for being small and having relatively no impact on history because we're britain and we'd always be the best. And we'd be so safe and secure from muslims, in fact, all the muslimamic folks would just disapear, and all the poles would become british, and british bulldogs wouldn't have breathing problems, and would be 10x more adorable than french bulldogs.
Every remain argument was logical shit like finances or diplomacy, which we didn't need, because we wanna be proud of flags and shit, and europe was failing because turkey might join the EU.
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[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51974415]The European welfare systems would more than provide for these large families. That is the whole point. Why do you think Muslims continue to migrate there? They know they will just be able to take advantage of free shit. Even if living on welfare isn't luxurious, it's better than living in Turkey for a lot of people. On top of that, some welfare systems "reward" you when you have more kids.
This is what we have been complaining about. Erdogan has simply spelled out the strategy.[/QUOTE]
You know fuck all about the various welfare systems of our diverse continent. You don't even seem to know about how welfare works. Why are you writing about it?
[QUOTE=The Jack;51974480]No, half the UK voted to leave the EU because FUCK THE ELITE or FUCK THE MUSLIMS or FUCK IMMIGRATION (Which is very,very low, but you wouldn't get that from a tabloid)
The majority of rational to stay was economic reasons. Every expert was telling the UK that leaving the EU was a moron move for money.
Of course, our retard population came up with shit like "We've had enough of experts" and honestly, most of them were hoping that if we left the EU, we could make Great Britain great again, where we could have an empire, and laugh at germany for loosing two wars and being fascist a long time ago, and tell france to fuck itself, and be friends with trump, and nothing would happen to all those brits in europe with their summer houses in spain. And we can laugh at countries like latvia for being small and having relatively no impact on history because we're britain and we'd always be the best. And we'd be so safe and secure from muslims, in fact, all the muslimamic folks would just disapear, and all the poles would become british, and british bulldogs wouldn't have breathing problems, and would be 10x more adorable than french bulldogs.
Every remain argument was logical shit like finances or diplomacy, which we didn't need, because we wanna be proud of flags and shit, and europe was failing because turkey might join the EU.[/QUOTE]
the only people talking this kind of shit lost the referendum, thankfully.
I'm just hoping that the Turks in Europe will wake the fuck up and stop listening to this lunatic.
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;51974440]Yeah I'm sure that there are tons of women out there that are thrilled to repeatedly go through the ordeal of bearing a child and spending nearly a quarter of their life caring for them just to get less money in welfare than it costs to raise them.
Seriously this entire stupid concept falls apart the moment you think about it for more than a second.[/QUOTE]
Why do women do it then?
I urge every European in Turkey to ejaculate into envelopes, and then mail them to Erdogan.
What's that? Not half as many Europeans in Turkey as there are Turkish people in Europe? Oh well then, I wonder why that might be.
Because usually people migrate to BETTER places, not away from them.
[QUOTE=The Jack;51974480]You know fuck all about the various welfare systems of our diverse continent. You don't even seem to know about how welfare works. Why are you writing about it?[/QUOTE]
Enlighten me on what I said wrong please. I love to learn.
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51974493]the only people talking this kind of shit lost the referendum, thankfully.[/QUOTE]
It's not delusional, he's not only trying to rile up turks against the country they're living to get votes for his referendum, he's also trying to weaken europe.
I mean, he's not the only one doing that. Look how Putin for example is pushing the Front National, a party that openly wants France to leave the EU and introduce protectionism.
You're acting like this is some tin foil hat level conspiracy theory while other leaders are doing the same, don't be naive.
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51974493]the only people talking this kind of shit lost the referendum, thankfully.[/QUOTE]
Dude, what?
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