• NRA: Rule prohibiting military men from carrying guns on military installations is "outrageous"; urg
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[QUOTE=Levelog;48272142]IIRC as long as you had your pistol qualification for the year you don't need a CCW as active duty.[/QUOTE] You remember incorrectly. That isn't how it works at all. You are still beholden to whatever laws of the state that you are stationed in. Now, I know for a fact some states allow you to use your M9 qualification record in place of a ccw class certificate during the application process, but that's about it.
Does US military installation have any guards carrying firearms or is it a complete gun free zone? It sounds so weird. I do some side work for the Swedish Defense University and all the receptionist carry guns.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48272780]Does US military installation have any guards carrying firearms or is it a complete gun free zone? It sounds so weird. I do some side work for the Swedish Defense University and all the receptionist carry guns.[/QUOTE] Gate guards are typically always armed and so are base police. Also if its a high security area (like where they store nukes for submarines) there will typically be armed guards. It really depends on what you're guarding/standing watch of I guess...I know some army units that armed their barracks watch, but I've never seen it in the Navy.
[QUOTE=Jordax;48270340]That doesn't answer the question of why you think that the military of all things shouldn't have weapons?[/QUOTE] Because the military studied it, determined that they don't want everybody on their bases in the US armed and decided that that is not compromising their security, this isn't congress dictating what the military can and can't do, this is the actual military setting their own policy. If we can't trust the military to secure themselves then we've got bigger problems
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48272780]Does US military installation have any guards carrying firearms or is it a complete gun free zone? It sounds so weird. I do some side work for the Swedish Defense University and all the receptionist carry guns.[/QUOTE] Only Military Police, Security Forces, Master at Arms, CID, AFOSI, SFI, DoD Police Officers are allowed to carry guns. They're normally armed with just side arms, but depending on the threat protection level they'll be equipped with rifles and such. Then higher security areas often have large groups fully geared and armed - like strategic weapons facilities. Other then that anyone who goes on base has to declare their firearms, filled out some paperwork and have it secured in the armory.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48272780]Does US military installation have any guards carrying firearms or is it a complete gun free zone? It sounds so weird. I do some side work for the Swedish Defense University and all the receptionist carry guns.[/QUOTE] Basically people who have a reason to have guns (guards, MPs, ect) have them, people who don't have a reason to have guns don't, and that's the way the military branches want it
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48271010]Statistically, suicide is more common for American soldiers than being attacked by a gunmen on American soil. So no, not all death is equal. Suicide is more common and so that should be treated first.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about moral equality. In my mind, someone getting murdered should be a much higher priority than someone taking their own life. In one case a person is acting only on themselves, and would be allowed to do that without issue in some countries. In the other case a person's life is being forcefully taken from them against their will. We shouldn't allow a person's life to be taken in order to stop other people from taking their own lives. Absolute number is only the end all, be all if both types of death are completely equal.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;48272639]You remember incorrectly. That isn't how it works at all. You are still beholden to whatever laws of the state that you are stationed in. Now, I know for a fact some states allow you to use your M9 qualification record in place of a ccw class certificate during the application process, but that's about it.[/QUOTE] That's right, it was in a bill that did not pass in my state.
[QUOTE=Jordax;48270340]That doesn't answer the question of why you think that the military of all things shouldn't have weapons?[/QUOTE] Yes of course the military should have weapons. I'm just skeptical of handing everyone handguns being that good a fix for mass shootings.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48272949]I'm talking about moral equality. In my mind, someone getting murdered should be a much higher priority than someone taking their own life. In one case a person is acting only on themselves, and would be allowed to do that without issue in some countries. In the other case a person's life is being forcefully taken from them against their will. We shouldn't allow a person's life to be taken in order to stop other people from taking their own lives. Absolute number is only the end all, be all if both types of death are completely equal.[/QUOTE] This pseudo-progressive "oh people should be able to take their lives of they want too, it's their choice" shit pissed me off. You do know that most or well really 100% of people commiting suicide have a treatable or manageable Mental Health condition? For instance, just yesterday I spoke to a fucking kid (19 yo Marine really) who attempted suicide because he was upset that he got yelled at by a superior. Not everyone who attempts suicide is thinking rationally and a lot of completed suicides are IMPULSIVE. Also 'rational thinkers' who like to think their suicide about and give every reason under the sun are HARDLY thinking rationally considering whatever reason they could give is 100% guaranteed to be laden with cognitive distortions.
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