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[QUOTE=01271;43814010]I am 21 and can count the number of jobs I've had on one hand and the number of permanent non-contractual jobs I've had on 0 hands. I'm applying for the lowest positions and nobody is taking it at all despite forklift training, php developer for almost 2 years, bilingual, foodsafe, first aid, not socially awkward at interviews...[/QUOTE] What province? I was thinking about going into computer science program for college but are jobs that hard to get?
[QUOTE=catbarf;43814540]Conversely, anyone who goes to college for a specific discipline and expects to be doing that immediately upon graduation for a decent salary is overly optimistic. I went to school for the fledgling field of game design and learned to be a programmer, with a side of art design. As I got closer to graduation I realized that in the current economic climate, a job like game programming is too narrow, competitive, and oversaturated for me to be able to reasonably expect a competitive wage. So I applied for programming, web development, and Flash developer positions, and got a job elsewhere. Web development is a flooded market because, like many online-oriented fields, it has no real geographical presence. If you're trying to get a job as a freelance web developer in this market, you're competing with professionals who have been around for years all over the world. So if that's not working, you need to look elsewhere- not necessarily McDonald's, but other fields where you can apply the same basic skills. Most people don't go into the fields they were educated in. Some take completely different turns. If you're dead-set on getting a job in one particular field, especially a highly competitive and challenging one, you're going to have problems. It's important to keep some perspective and keep expectations realistic. Also, because a couple of people have said it, 'entry' or 'junior' doesn't mean you don't need any qualifications, just that they're low-level positions with opportunity to advancement. Many businesses will consider college education in a relevant field, especially with co-op work while pursuing that degree, towards relevant experience. In this economic climate, though, you can't expect businesses in technical fields to hire and train people with no relevant experience.[/QUOTE] yeah while this may be true and be the progression of things, doesn't it seem shitty and backwards? And regardless, you're going to need post high school education for any real job these days and not even being able to go to a field your interested in after enduring that debt seems a little too far gone to be justified so simply.
[QUOTE=wanksta11;43814886]What province? I was thinking about going into computer science program for college but are jobs that hard to get?[/QUOTE] yes. work experience, actual proven skill and a good portfolio are just as if not more important than your qualifications. there are a lot of people with one, not as many that can prove they earned it. in current economies and workplace situations, emplyers have to be pretty darn picky.
[QUOTE=wanksta11;43814886]What province? I was thinking about going into computer science program for college but are jobs that hard to get?[/QUOTE] BC, vancouver island.
I feel like I'm the only one without this problem. In my part of Canada there are so many mining related jobs people are flocking from the US to work here. They say all the time there aren't enough people to fill all the positions here. Good pay too, even lowly labourers with no experience start at like $18/h. If you can lift a shovel you can work. And if you're in the trades, like electrician or mechanic, you're set for life. Seriously, people need to be more practical when it comes to their education. There's work if you take the right path.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;43812982]Not to mention when you walk into a place to apply and they tell you to go apply online.[/QUOTE] Fucking this. Oh yeah sure ill apply online, waste 3 hours doing those stupid survey quizzes over and over again only to get a response 1.5 years later( true story, fuck you Petco) saying that the position is filled, or i don't "meet the requirements" Applying online is the most depressing part about trying to find a job.
[QUOTE=counterpo0;43815595]Fucking this. Oh yeah sure ill apply online, waste 3 hours doing those stupid survey quizzes over and over again only to get a response 1.5 years later( true story, fuck you Petco) saying that the position is filled, or i don't "meet the requirements" Applying online is the most depressing part about trying to find a job.[/QUOTE] So you know that 100+ question personality quiz they give you at the end of an online job app? If you don't "pass" that, it automatically throws it out. gj
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;43815426]I feel like I'm the only one without this problem. In my part of Canada there are so many mining related jobs people are flocking from the US to work here. They say all the time there aren't enough people to fill all the positions here. Good pay too, even lowly labourers with no experience start at like $18/h. If you can lift a shovel you can work. And if you're in the trades, like electrician or mechanic, you're set for life. Seriously, people need to be more practical when it comes to their education. There's work if you take the right path.[/QUOTE] Where? I would seriously consider this.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;43815426]And if you're in the trades, like electrician or mechanic, you're set for life. Seriously, people need to be more practical when it comes to their education. There's work if you take the right path.[/QUOTE] I tell everyone I know who has trouble in school or doesn't like academics to go learn a trade. Some people think I'm accusing them of being stupid. Is it really stupid? Think about it: instead of going to school for 4+ years to maybe make 40-50k a year, you go to school for 1 year (maybe 2) and double your money. If you're willing to work in more remote areas, you can as much as quadruple it if you're any good. It's nuts. Personally I love programming, whether it's app or web development. I can't see myself doing anything else, and the little tidbits of work I've done for people have left them extremely impressed. Once I finally have something to show off on GitHub I imagine it will be much easier for me to score work. It's kind of staggering just how much they [I]didn't[/I] teach me though. I've had to learn TDD, version control, and other concepts on my own. Not at all difficult, but surprising considering how important they are. It leaves me wondering what else I'm missing, and also makes me want to go deeper. I'd give my left nut to be able to afford to go back to school and get into actual software engineering. App/web development is fun but doesn't go deep enough for me.
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;43812269]Sadly; I wish I was shitting you[/QUOTE] Regardless of my flag on my profile, I'm in florida and I sometimes see stuff like that too. [editline]6th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;43812982]Not to mention when you walk into a place to apply and they tell you to go apply online.[/QUOTE] A few years ago when I started looking officially for work. I walked into many places and asked for an application. It was embarrassing since many of them would say, "What are you talking about? You apply online."
[QUOTE=counterpo0;43815595]Fucking this. Oh yeah sure ill apply online, waste 3 hours doing those stupid survey quizzes over and over again only to get a response 1.5 years later( true story, fuck you Petco) saying that the position is filled, or i don't "meet the requirements" Applying online is the most depressing part about trying to find a job.[/QUOTE] The only thing, literally the only thing applying online is worth is giving you one more line item to put on an unemployment insurance claim for the week. I've never gotten anything out of applying online anywhere.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43815996]The only thing, literally the only thing applying online is worth is giving you one more line item to put on an unemployment insurance claim for the week. I've never gotten anything out of applying online anywhere.[/QUOTE] The thing is (at least in the UK) quite a few employers now only take online applications, generally because it means they can source it out to a third party company to sort it all out for them, and then interview the few applicants that make it through the online process.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43811931] Then you have those dipshit baby-boomers who go around calling us lazy bums for not having a job.[/QUOTE] when my brother got out of highschool my dad's first thing was "GET A JOB" hes been stuck at a fucking minimum wage job thats caused him to total 3 cars and take 6 years to get a 2 year degree on top of that my brother has no job experience in computer repair/networking so nobody will even take him seriously. i have no job experience and i'm looking to get engineering co-ops but nobody will even consider you without a 3.0 gpa and 5+ years of experience doing something
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;43815426] And if you're in the trades, like electrician or mechanic, you're set for life. Seriously, people need to be more practical when it comes to their education. There's work if you take the right path.[/QUOTE] I'm assuming you live in an oiled province. That is an exception.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43816432]I'm assuming you live in an oiled province. That is an exception.[/QUOTE] Another exception is working a trade in the BC Lower Mainland, there's so much construction work there
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;43815721]I tell everyone I know who has trouble in school or doesn't like academics to go learn a trade. Some people think I'm accusing them of being stupid. Is it really stupid?[/QUOTE] Anyone who thinks the trades are for the stupid are already stupid. Sure, there are all back, no brain jobs in the trades but that's like being a dish washer in a kitchen. Bottom rung shit. Depending where you are, plumbing and electrical licensing is usually pretty long term stuff but you can work as a journeyman and get paid while, most likely, having the company pay for you to attend school to become a master. I'm not a plumber or electrician so hell if I know the specifics. I hear every day how there aren't enough young people coming into the trades and it's true. I hardly ever see anyone my age on jobs or at the warehouses, mostly 30+ year old guys.. So yea, if you can't get a job, you're not afraid of hard work and you're willing to learn, get into the trades.
[QUOTE=RubberDuckeh;43816588]Anyone who thinks the trades are for the stupid are already stupid. Sure, there are all back, no brain jobs in the trades but that's like being a dish washer in a kitchen. Bottom rung shit. Depending where you are, plumbing and electrical licensing is usually pretty long term stuff but you can work as a journeyman and get paid while, most likely, having the company pay for you to attend school to become a master. I'm not a plumber or electrician so hell if I know the specifics. I hear every day how there aren't enough young people coming into the trades and it's true. I hardly ever see anyone my age on jobs or at the warehouses, mostly 30+ year old guys.. So yea, if you can't get a job, you're not afraid of hard work and you're willing to learn, get into the trades.[/QUOTE] I'm strongly considering throwing my associates out the window and going for a trade.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;43815721]I tell everyone I know who has trouble in school or doesn't like academics to go learn a trade. Some people think I'm accusing them of being stupid. Is it really stupid? Think about it: instead of going to school for 4+ years to maybe make 40-50k a year, you go to school for 1 year (maybe 2) and double your money. If you're willing to work in more remote areas, you can as much as quadruple it if you're any good. It's nuts. Personally I love programming, whether it's app or web development. I can't see myself doing anything else, and the little tidbits of work I've done for people have left them extremely impressed. Once I finally have something to show off on GitHub I imagine it will be much easier for me to score work. It's kind of staggering just how much they [I]didn't[/I] teach me though. I've had to learn TDD, version control, and other concepts on my own. Not at all difficult, but surprising considering how important they are. It leaves me wondering what else I'm missing, and also makes me want to go deeper. I'd give my left nut to be able to afford to go back to school and get into actual software engineering. App/web development is fun but doesn't go deep enough for me.[/QUOTE] Do you have a Software Engineering degree?
Because people don't respect tradesmen. How many times have you heard "just a plumber"?
[QUOTE=Appellation;43817561]Because people don't respect tradesmen. How many times have you heard "just a plumber"?[/QUOTE] People don't respect cops either. How many times have you heard "ugh, I hate those dirty pigs..."? If you're looking for a job based on how much personal satisfaction you can get off of other people's respect, you're not going to have a happy career, or probably home life either for that matter. So it's better to get a job based on money or enjoyment.
[QUOTE=Appellation;43817561]Because people don't respect tradesmen. How many times have you heard "just a plumber"?[/QUOTE] People are stupid.
I have trade skills and a bachelor's degree I also have a minimum wage job 40 hours a week I love America
I avoid any mention of the trades. In Canada especially all you need is an economic downturn or something to happen in the fields and companies will start booting employees. It's just like IT in the late 90's. It was the thing to get into and after the first real glut in the dot-com burst the rest eventually got caught up in shitty low wage jobs because the market is absolutely packed to the point where a BA is probably more useful than any entry into IT. With my amazing luck I'll go through the trades and end up in a recession.
[doesn’tUOTE=Silence I Kill You;43817913]People don't respect cops either. How many times have you heard "ugh, I hate those dirty pigs..."? If you're looking for a job based on how much personal satisfaction you can get off of other people's respect, you're not going to have a happy career, or probably home life either for that matter. So it's better to get a job based on money or enjoyment.[/QUOTE] How can you have a happy home life if your spouse and/or your spouse's family don't/d respect you?
[QUOTE=Appellation;43818292][doesn’tUOTE=Silence I Kill You;43817913]People don't respect cops either. How many times have you heard "ugh, I hate those dirty pigs..."? If you're looking for a job based on how much personal satisfaction you can get off of other people's respect, you're not going to have a happy career, or probably home life either for that matter. So it's better to get a job based on money or enjoyment.[/QUOTE][/quote] How can you have a happy home life if your spouse and/or your spouse's family don't/d respect you?[/QUOTE] Your family isn't going to disrespect you just because they think being a cop is a loser job.
[QUOTE=Robber;43811857]I can't imagine what it would be like to just not find a job no matter how hard you're looking. Sounds terrible...[/QUOTE] It is. I've been trying since I was just 16 years old, waaay back in '06, and I've to date only gotten three replies [i]at all[/i]. Tens of thousands of apps out, three replies. [i][b]Three.[/b][/i] At this point I've all but given up on ever getting through the 'traditional' hiring process and am looking for ways to cheat the system. I've bashed my head against the brick wall that is traditional hiring for eight years and gotten a whole lot of fuck all for my efforts, and the closest I got was bypassing the process only to be shut down by corporate anyway. Fucking employers. At least have the decency to send canned denial letters/emails you twats. At least have the decency to tell us what we're doing wrong/lacking so we can actually work on it and improve it instead of leaving us in the dark and making us resort to loading a gatling gun full of resumes, spraying it wildly into the Jet Stream and hoping to god our luck stat that day was ten. Assholes. [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;43812982]Not to mention when you walk into a place to apply and they tell you to go apply online.[/QUOTE] Mhm. Absolutely infuriating, especially when you're as far from town as I am and just the spend of gas to get to the place is considerable.[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43814321]Yeah uuh.. you're 21. You're not supposed to have 10 years work experience under your belt because that would literally be illegal.[/QUOTE] And yet everything that's hiring requires it.
Months of applying at at least two places a day and the only call backs I get are scams. Mostly over the phone commission only base d sales. I did get a job at fedex awhile back but hours were never steady and they switched me from day shift to overnight and with no car or money for said car I was forced to leave. Every other job out there has unrealistic requirements. Its gotten to the point where I straight lie on my resume just to get something. edit: Almost forget the best one. I got turned down for a dishwashing job because I didn't have professional experience. edit: Yeah its not really fucking funny to me
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;43815426]I feel like I'm the only one without this problem. In my part of Canada there are so many mining related jobs people are flocking from the US to work here. They say all the time there aren't enough people to fill all the positions here. Good pay too, even lowly labourers with no experience start at like $18/h. If you can lift a shovel you can work. And if you're in the trades, like electrician or mechanic, you're set for life. Seriously, people need to be more practical when it comes to their education. There's work if you take the right path.[/QUOTE] Do tell more about this particular part of Canada.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43818333][/quote] How can you have a happy home life if your spouse and/or your spouse's family don't/d respect you?[/QUOTE] Your family isn't going to disrespect you just because they think being a cop is a loser job.[/QUOTE] Nah, the cop bit is a poor comparison, but their divorce rates are also pretty high
[QUOTE=ToumaniSquirrel;43819237]Do tell more about this particular part of Canada.[/QUOTE] The unassuming province of Saskatchewan. Mainly potash mining. There's oil rigs too though, if that's your thing.
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