Israel Tries to Persuade France to Give Up Human Rights for Security
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[QUOTE=Skerion;49155648]I can see that people have these rules set up and enforced and they can be at least reasonable, but that doesn't mean the whole "deservity" thing or whatever you call it automatically applies to the universe as some magically objective fact.[/QUOTE]Okay okay okay, I'm just going to nip this in the bud right now and end this stupid tangent by saying you win. Congratulations.
[QUOTE=Skerion;49155648]That's cool. That's not going to change my mind about what he said, if that's what you were hoping for.[/QUOTE]That's okay, I don't care either way what you believe.
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[QUOTE=Skerion;49155884]Sounds reasonable to end it early; it was an argument over something that was hardly the focus of the thread, anyway. It's just that that one particular quote was pretty bothersome and I felt that I needed to say something about it. Sorry to drag you into this.[/QUOTE]It's cool, I understand.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49155766]Okay okay okay, I'm just going to nip this in the bud right now and end this stupid tangent by saying you win. Congratulations.[/QUOTE]
Sounds reasonable to end it early; it was an argument over something that was hardly the focus of the thread, anyway. It's just that that one particular quote was pretty bothersome and I felt that I needed to say something about it. Sorry to drag you into this.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49143820]Thing about that is it's A: illegal and B: unwanted, oh and C: there isn't any concrete proof that it's stopped an attack.
To quote a wise warrior-poet, those who give up essential liberties for a little security deserve neither.
Don't do it France![/QUOTE]
There is concrete proof that it has stopped an attack. The U.K has stopped many terrorist attacks in the past 10 years through surveillance, I'm sure France has too.
When it comes the government snooping on your internet history or having a large amount of people die inside terrorist attack in my opinion id rather lose my privacy than my life.
[QUOTE=Gareth;49156733]There is concrete proof that it has stopped an attack. The U.K has stopped many terrorist attacks in the past 10 years through surveillance, I'm sure France has too.
When it comes the government snooping on your internet history or having a large amount of people die inside terrorist attack in my opinion id rather lose my privacy than my life.[/QUOTE]Cool. We were talking about the USA though, and the government has yet to conclusively prove that their mass surveillance program has done anything productive.
Thankfully though this country wasn't built on willful surrender of liberty like yours apparently is, I'd rather suffer a school shooting every month than lose the 2nd Amendment and I'd suffer a terrorist attack every week if it meant people weren't afraid to exercise their 1st Amendment rights. Fuck authoritarianism and fuck any bootlicker who expects everyone else to bend over so they can prance around with some delusion that they're "safe."
[editline]21st November 2015[/editline]
Obviously that's turbo hyperbole, but that likely won't matter because I'm [I]pretty sure[/I] that the above will be taken very literally.
The other thread it dead so i'm going to post it there :
[URL="http://puu.sh/ltf0j/b866f6aa76.jpg"]Turks after Charlie hebdo[/URL]
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt9bMYcmUFg"]Turks after Paris massacre[/URL]
So Turks supports ISIS when they hit france but cry when they hit Them ?
And then act this way ?
Here is how french peoples reacted at the last football match.
The famous
[B]"Paris, Paris, on t'encule"[/B] [I](Paris, paris , we fuck you in the ass)[/I],
sung by peoples from Marseille when playing against peoples from Paris was turned into
[B]"Daesh, Daesh, on t'encule"[/B] [I](ISIS, ISIS, we fuck you in the Ass)[/I]
[vid]http://puu.sh/lteYy/0eb91004dd.mp4[/vid]
[QUOTE=ExtReMLapin;49156867]Here is how french peoples reacted at the last football match.[/QUOTE]That's awesome and the perfect response to the Turks acting completely fucking disrespectful.
A lot of good that will do in Europe. It takes almost no planning to show up with a weapon and a hundred rounds and shoot up a place. I wish people would stop saying it was a well planned, well coordinated attack.
No it wasn't. They decided hey there's a concert, so how about 9 PM we just shoot up the place using this crap we easily brought with us. Okay great. Bam, terrorist plot planned. Like it's hard to bring weapons anywhere in Europe if you want to. It's all connected just like states in the USA. It's like having a sign that says gun free zone. It only applies to those who care to obey the sign
9/11 was a well planned, well coordinated attack. It doesn't take shit to find a populated place and open fire, which is why monitoring phone calls won't do dick
[QUOTE]9/11 was a well planned, well coordinated attack. It doesn't take shit to find a populated place and open fire, which is why monitoring phone calls won't do dick[/QUOTE]
Here a novel idea. Its not the terrorists the leaders are afraid of. Its the common person.
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