I wonder if I can install Ubuntu on my surface pro...
I don't have anything against Windows 10, but Microsoft trying so hard to force it on me makes me want to avoid it as long as possible out of spite.
I'm glad I upgraded my laptop to test it and decide whether or not to update my main rig, I really don't like windows 10, took too many steps back in my opinion.
Is disabling windows update in Computer Management enough to prevent this forced upgrade, or are further steps necessary?
Can't fucking wait until I wake up one morning and my computer is totally unresponsive and I have to restore from backup because Windows 10 fucked it up [I]again.[/I]
Microsoft needs a fucking competitor ASAP, this is completely fucking unacceptable.
M8, my desktop is on W7 and my laptop on W8.1 and haven't felt the desire to upgrade yet. I just have no incentive to yet.
Microsoft can fuck off. I'm happy enough with 7, thanks.
Still waiting for Valve to save PC gaming so I can switch to Linux full-time. Gaming is literally the only reason I'm still on Windows.
I tried installing windows 10 once and it absolutely fucked my computer, got stuck in a perpetual startup loop and had to revert back to windows 7. At least it offered me the rollback to Win7 by itself and I didn't have to reinstall everything.
Haven't bothered with it ever since.
You guys are to edgy I've never had an issue with any Windows updates let alone Windows 10. Windows 10 runs flawless and there's nothing to not like about it at least for me. It doing automatic updates for me is awesome because it used to take a while if I forgot and they accumulated on Windows 7. I wish ios updates were mandatory and automatic. My parents put off updating their phones like the plague and bitch if there are glitches. Then they blame the software and phone when it's really because they don't perform updates when they come out. IOS never has many bugs but when it does I never hear the end of it until the update that fixes it is installed (imagine that!). Microsoft is probably doing this because so many people are anti update like my parents. I can see how it's annoying but it's kind of a good thing too. If Windows 10 hadn't automatically downloaded to my grandma's PC (6 month old lenovo laptop) and promoted her to install over Windows 8.1 it would have never happened and she hated metro on 8.1. Come to find out she loves Windows 10! It sucks for some of you but I love it, it gives me one less thing to worry about on my laptop with Windows 10 :)
[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;49333349]Thank god I'm using Mac OS X and don't have to deal with this crap.[/QUOTE]
The App Store [I]does[/I] send notifications periodically about Yosemite and El Cap. Mind you, it's a lot less annoying than what Microsoft's doing, but it's still something Apple does too, but for the Mavericks holdouts that are boycotting Jony Ive's software UI design presence on the desktop, it's a situation of "why are you still telling me, I'm not interested".
[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;49333349]Thank god I'm using Mac OS X and don't have to deal with this crap.[/QUOTE]
Every couple days my iMac has a popup in the corner asking me to download El Capitan and won't go away until I dismiss it.
I've got a laptop with nothing but some car tuning software on it running 8.1, I might put 10 on it over the holiday weekend and see what I think. My gaming rig is going to be a holdout, though.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;49333316]great, im just about to buy Win10 tomorrow (new comp, dont have any older OS available) and now there's this crap. suddenly i don't feel like giving them an excessive amount of my precious money but i dont really have any options either.
how bad and numerous are the compatibility issues in this draconian-orwellian hellspawn, exactly? im out of the loop when it comes to these things[/QUOTE]
i've had zero compatibility issues so far
[editline]16th December 2015[/editline]
microsoft is going overboard with this to avoid the massive headaches that XP holdouts caused
[QUOTE=EagleEye;49333435]Nah I'm good. My win7 rig works flawlessly I have absolutely 0 reasons to upgrade to win 10. Now win 10 has been fine on my lappy that ran win 8.1 but microsoft can honestly fuck off with these aggressive updates. I'll upgrade when I build a new rig.[/QUOTE]
I consider it like the switch from analog to digital cable in the US a few years back, in that there's a grace period to keep using the old standard, but we'll be moving on completely - with or without you - after that.
I get that not everyone wants to or even [i]can[/i] switch right away - hell, I may not have held out for a whole new rig, but I still waited until I got an SSD to switch - but it's been several months now since the free upgrade thing began and they first started (pretty non-intrusively, mind you) encouraging people to switch. Now they're going to ramp up the aggressiveness against holdouts. Y'know why I agree with that? Because there are [i]still[/i] people on Windows XP and that's completely unacceptable. If Microsoft is taking measures to ensure the same thing doesn't happen with Win7, more power to them. I love Win7; I think it still holds up today. But in a few years it won't, and we ought to not even reach that point. XP was [i]already[/i] showing its age when Vista came along. Look no further than Apple trying to capitalize on XP's deficiencies during its later years to push OS X for proof of that. Speaking of which...
[QUOTE=dustyjo;49333594]Can't fucking wait until I wake up one morning and my computer is totally unresponsive and I have to restore from backup because Windows 10 fucked it up [I]again.[/I]
Microsoft needs a fucking competitor ASAP, this is completely fucking unacceptable.[/QUOTE]
There's only really one option for this and that's if Apple reverses their anti-"Hackintosh" stance and starts offering OS X to non-Mac users. The reason they never really succeeded with their mid-2000s bid for OS dominance was because not many people were going to drop several grand on a Mac just for their operating system; didn't matter how much better Mac hardware was. But hell, even if they [i]charge[/i] for it and keep the free versions for Mac users, offering OS X for the hardware people already own is going to do a hell of a lot more for their market share than Justin Long ever did.
Because let's face it: as far as competitors go, it's either them or Linux. And Linux is [i]way[/i] too fractured and arcane for the layperson to ever consider, free software be damned. And like hell if anyone thinks Valve is going to change that, not when the whole Steam Machine initiative was already falling apart over a year ago.
I'm still pissed about update 1511, it literally reinstalled the entire OS, without even telling me that, I wanted to restart the PC to install a new GPU, before I know it I'm stuck in a 20+ minute black screen telling me to chill out while it installs, it reset most of my settings, deleted a few programs like CCleaner without my permission and confused some of my programs and games into thinking it's the first time they've been started, resetting their settings and/or deleting my old settings/saves.
This bullshit should not be legal.
[QUOTE=Levelog;49333830]Every couple days my iMac has a popup in the corner asking me to download El Capitan and won't go away until I dismiss it.[/QUOTE]
at least that's better than dismiss being "install later", you can silience notifications as well
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;49333954]i cant believe there are people out there who still havent upgraded lol
why would you even[/QUOTE]
Are you serious? Because there are PLENTY of programs and hardware that don't work in Windows 10 for various reasons, such as missing code in the OS or no available drivers.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49333960]at least that's better than dismiss being "install later", you can silience notifications as well[/QUOTE]
I agree, but it's still more intrusive than the Fedora install I'm posting from is.
Win10 here. No problems, and it even solved problems I was having with the older OS's.
Even though I have windows 7 and 8 on disc I purchased windows 10 since 100% I will have purchased it regardless and I feel 100% justified even still.
though, I mean, I kind of had to, considering I accidentally fried three harddrives at the same time, smoke and all!
People keep mentioning incompatibility issues but like not saying anything about what is incompatible. Laptops probably shouldn't change OS' which is something that I've learned over years. The point of upgrading is to shake loose all retroactive support because it's obsolete and there are better alternatives at this point.
Not saying to upgrade right away, but don't shit on Windows 10 cause your 2010 laptop's blue tooth dongle doesn't have supported drivers and causes blue screens. Just don't upgrade software on hardware that needs upgrading.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;49333143]My wireless adapter isn't compatible with Windows 10 so I get random blue screens.
But you know, fuck the people who can't afford to upgrade hardware. :why:[/QUOTE]
For me it's not a case of being unable to afford hardware upgrades, there's literally zero logical reason for there to be any problems. All of my equipment is VERY standardized and tends to lean towards the high end, yet 10 has a staggering amount of problems.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;49256489]Everything. Literally everything.
Some drivers just don't work for no reason. It fails to recognize my raid arrays. It doesn't like my GPU. It doesn't know when I have stuff plugged into different audio ports and flat out doesn't recognize HDMI ones (might be tied to GPU issues, who the hell knows). It tries to install new drivers for wireless hardware I don't even have installed. Then it gets confused because it can't find wifi (no fucking shit, the card that came with the mobo is physically sitting in a box in a different room) and the Ethernet randomly cuts out while it looks for networks. Maybe it's looking up the hardware string for the motherboard and just assuming things. That's the best explanation I've been able to come up with.
On the laptop (w500) it just refuses to recognize the trackpad sometimes. Reboot it enough and it works perfectly. Couldn't tell you why. I've never seen this before. Either the OS (older linux distros) have no idea what it is and don't work under any circumstances, or it works more or less perfectly. Sure you sometimes were missing features like taps/palm checks, but I've never seen it just arbitrarily flip a coin and decide to work or not every time it boots before.
I've also had problem with networked printers, but realistically speaking that isn't a problem unique to windows 10. :v:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;49333331]Honestly? Good. The last thing we need is another XP situation. Even years after the fact there were still XP apologists railing against Vista and even 7, and it made standardization a chore because some people didn't wanna move on to the latest APIs and feature-sets. Let's keep everyone on the latest version, please.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, nah, you can fuck right off. People who stayed on xp instead of "upgrading" to vista had perfectly valid reasons. Vista was a bloated, buggy piece of shit. Windows 7 offered [b]massive[/b] improvements to everything, while still retaining or enhancing everything that made XP good. I ripped into people who stayed on XP vs using 7, and I think staying on 7 is perfectly fine vs upgrading to 10.
8 wasn't so much a 1 step forward 2 steps back release, so much as it was one step sideways and 2 steps back off the edge of a cliff into a dumpster filled with used needles. 10 is definitely an improvement over 7, but it's not a staggeringly massive improvement in the way that XP -> 7 was. It still has some serious idiotic legacy problems carried over from 8 when it comes to blending touchscreen bullshit with the desktop interface, and even disregarding those faults it's still has very little in the way of actual quantifiable benefits over 7. If anything, I've found 10 to be more bloated than 7 on the systems that it works on.
7 Was stated to be supported through 2020. It works. I have no real reason to upgrade to 10 on my primary computers, and a veritably laundry list of reasons not to.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49334017]Just don't upgrade software on hardware that needs upgrading.[/QUOTE]
That's what people are trying to do. But Microsoft doesn't give a damn and they want everybody upgraded.
[QUOTE=apierce1289;49333792]You guys are to edgy I've never had an issue with any Windows updates let alone Windows 10. Windows 10 runs flawless and there's nothing to not like about it at least for me. It doing automatic updates for me is awesome because it used to take a while if I forgot and they accumulated on Windows 7. I wish ios updates were mandatory and automatic. My parents put off updating their phones like the plague and bitch if there are glitches. Then they blame the software and phone when it's really because they don't perform updates when they come out. IOS never has many bugs but when it does I never hear the end of it until the update that fixes it is installed (imagine that!). Microsoft is probably doing this because so many people are anti update like my parents. I can see how it's annoying but it's kind of a good thing too. If Windows 10 hadn't automatically downloaded to my grandma's PC (6 month old lenovo laptop) and promoted her to install over Windows 8.1 it would have never happened and she hated metro on 8.1. Come to find out she loves Windows 10! It sucks for some of you but I love it, it gives me one less thing to worry about on my laptop with Windows 10 :)[/QUOTE]
Windows 10 runs fine on my desktop but it installs Lenovo drivers on my Asus laptop.
Needless to say, they don't work. And despite trying several methods online, I've yet to find a way to stop them from coming back.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;49334037]Yeah, nah, you can fuck right off. People who stayed on xp instead of "upgrading" to vista had perfectly valid reasons. Vista was a bloated, buggy piece of shit. Windows 7 offered [b]massive[/b] improvements to everything, while still retaining or enhancing everything that made XP good. I ripped into people who stayed on XP vs using 7, and I think staying on 7 is perfectly fine vs upgrading to 10.
8 wasn't so much a 1 step forward 2 steps back release, so much as it was one step sideways and 2 steps back off the edge of a cliff into a dumpster filled with used needles. 10 is definitely an improvement over 7, but it's not a staggeringly massive improvement in the way that XP -> 7 was. It still has some serious idiotic legacy problems carried over from 8 when it comes to blending touchscreen bullshit with the desktop interface, and even disregarding those faults it's still has very little in the way of actual quantifiable benefits over 7. If anything, I've found 10 to be more bloated than 7 on the systems that it works on.
7 Was stated to be supported through 2020. It works. I have no real reason to upgrade to 10 on my primary computers, and a veritably laundry list of reasons not to.[/QUOTE]
Hah, people still stick to the "Vista was crap" argument? Thought I saw the last of that when the whole "which steps are 8/8.1/10" confusion shattered their precious Windows Cycle theory. Guess they'll have to make a new one like how the Windows Cycle was supposed to replace the "no Windows after XP will ever be good" mantra.
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;49333986]what the fuck are you running that hasn't updated or isn't compatible in some way or another already lol[/QUOTE]
2012 Dell Precision M6600 - i7 2720QM and Quadro 3000m. I tried upgrading, everything worked fine until I logged in and explorer.exe crashed and won't restart. I don't see any real reason why it didn't work, but I do have a really old BIOS so that's what I'll try next. I definitely did not have Optimus enabled when I tried upgrading. Dell did say that they do not recommend the upgrade :pcrepair:
[QUOTE=Ridge;49334049]That's what people are trying to do. But Microsoft doesn't give a damn and they want everybody upgraded.[/QUOTE]
You act like it's a constant struggle to NOT upgrade. It's definitely annoying but if you know shit about computers you'll have no problem preventing an update. I get where the worry comes from, but I think it's way blown out of proportion.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;49334099]Hah, people still stick to the "Vista was crap" argument? Thought I saw the last of that when the whole "which steps are 8/8.1/10" confusion shattered their precious Windows Cycle thoery.[/QUOTE]
Vista was shit though. It sucked up memory, it had a horrific launch and broke compatibility with countless of major applications. I've never supported the "every other version" of windows crap. Vista had crippling compatibility issues, major problems with suspending hard drive IO and idled at more memory usage than I peaked at on XP. I tried a beta build of 7 and literally stopped using XP within a week.
Feel free to keep putting words in my mouth though.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;49334056]Wonton killed my Bluetooth and wifi card in my 2012 $1200 laptop.[/QUOTE]
It's a pre-built PC, they have never ever lasted. Laptops definitely don't have the longevity they used to.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;49334161]Vista was shit though. It sucked up memory, it had a horrific launch and broke compatibility with countless of major applications. I've never supported the "every other version" of windows crap. Vista had crippling compatibility issues, major problems with suspending hard drive IO and idled at more memory usage than I peaked at on XP. I tried a beta build of 7 and literally stopped using XP within a week.
Feel free to keep putting words in my mouth though.[/QUOTE]
Fine, I apologize for the Windows Cycle accusation.
But half of the problems with Vista (the compatibility) came from devs designing software to assume it had admin-level privileges by at all times when Vista no longer allowed that (which was actually a good decision on its part), while the other half (the speed issues) was fixed by the first service pack. There was nothing wrong that was actually on Vista's end that wasn't ironed out quickly, and I still stand by that eight years later. People were just too used to XP and got [b]complacent[/b] because there hadn't been a new Windows for six years, something that was unprecedented and has been avoided since.
Did it have a bad launch? I'll grant that, but if we judged OSes solely by their launch states, XP would be a contender for one of the worst of all time.
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