• Microsoft Makes Windows 10 'Free Upgrades' Worse
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[QUOTE=apierce1289;49333792]You guys are to edgy I've never had an issue with any Windows updates let alone Windows 10. Windows 10 runs flawless and there's nothing to not like about it at least for me. It doing automatic updates for me is awesome because it used to take a while if I forgot and they accumulated on Windows 7. I wish ios updates were mandatory and automatic. My parents put off updating their phones like the plague and bitch if there are glitches. Then they blame the software and phone when it's really because they don't perform updates when they come out. IOS never has many bugs but when it does I never hear the end of it until the update that fixes it is installed (imagine that!). Microsoft is probably doing this because so many people are anti update like my parents. I can see how it's annoying but it's kind of a good thing too. If Windows 10 hadn't automatically downloaded to my grandma's PC (6 month old lenovo laptop) and promoted her to install over Windows 8.1 it would have never happened and she hated metro on 8.1. Come to find out she loves Windows 10! It sucks for some of you but I love it, it gives me one less thing to worry about on my laptop with Windows 10 :)[/QUOTE] "I haven't had any issues, so clearly all the people that have are just edgelords." If you've truly never had issues with Windows updates, then you're sure lucky (or you were smart enough to turn automatic updates off, and wait a few weeks to see if the updates were bad before installing them), I've had the OS brick multiple times on multiple computers from routine updates in 7. However, with 10's insider program I don't expect that sort of thing to be an issue any more. As for 10, I've personally had the all the menus and universal apps randomly break four times since I installed 10 fresh about three months ago. Once I was able to fix it by just restarting (of course that wasn't so easy since I didn't have a start menu), but otherwise I had to enter some magic incantation into PowerShell, which effectively reinstalled all the apps (including all the ones I had purposely uninstalled): [code]Get-AppXPackage -AllUsers | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}[/code] Jeez, and people say Linux is bad for having to enter stuff in the terminal, at least the commands are brief and fairly easy to remember, unlike this nonsense. Then there's the major TH "updates" that really just reinstall the OS over itself, and reset your settings and default programs (it even changed the default for opening word documents to wordpad, I guess MS doesn't want me using even their own products over the ones included in the OS), not to mention it took ages to "update", even on an SSD. I'm not saying 10 is bad, in fact aside from the random broken stuff (which honestly I was prepared for since it hasn't been out long), I've been very happy with it's features and performance. For the average user however, if they fix these sort of "oh everything has randomly broken" issues (something I might expect from some random Linux distribution), the terrible major update process, plus the confusing split settings, then maybe 10 will be ready for them. TH3, perhaps?
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;49333493]Can't tell you how many times I've died in Dark Souls because it'll tab me out to bitch at me about upgrading. Motherfucker, I don't want your shit. Get out of here.[/QUOTE] I've never ever had this problem I suspect it's because I have automatic download of updates applied
Windows 10 is a plot by the NSA to monitor everybody's data
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;49334328]Windows 10 is a plot by the NSA to monitor everybody's data[/QUOTE] Windows is a tool for terrorism!!! It probably is though, who knows what ISIS actually use
[QUOTE=Scratch.;49334363]Windows is a tool for terrorism!!! It probably is though, who knows what ISIS actually use[/QUOTE] Pre-patch that disabled running Linux on PS3 super computers.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;49334182]But half of the problems with Vista (the compatibility) came from devs designing software to assume it had admin-level privileges by at all times when Vista no longer allowed that (which was actually a good decision on its part),[/QUOTE] This is correct. There were also many problems resulting from the switch to 64 bit. [QUOTE=VinLAURiA;49334182]while the other half (the speed issues) was fixed by the first service pack. There was nothing wrong that was actually on Vista's end that wasn't ironed out quickly, and I still stand by that eight years later.[/QUOTE] Objectively wrong. There were multiple applications that I was running at the time that would consistently and reliably cause a total system lock in Vista after 15-25 hours. These same things have ran for months on XP and 7+. Vista uses more resources than 7 by a significant margin. It's less stable, etc. There has been no major patch other than "upgrade to 7" that has fixed this. Yes, many of the showstopper issues were patched out in the service packs. Not all of them. Unless there has been a major overhaul to vista in the last 4 years that I'm unaware of, this is still the case. It was, is, and will continue to be, a bloated, buggy, fundamentally broken and crippled excuse for an OS. [QUOTE=VinLAURiA;49334182]People were just too used to XP and got [b]complacent[/b] because there hadn't been a new Windows for six years, something that was unprecedented and has been avoided since.[/QUOTE] This is getting into the realms of subjectivity. To me, the interface changes from XP -> 7 (or even Vista) were gargantuan improvements. 10 is for the most part the same as 7. There's a few nice slick improvements and some downright asinine moves backwards. I've posted multi page rants on how bad I found 8 to be in the past and don't really feel like repeating them. Suffice it to say that touchscreens are debilitating to good keyboard and mouse UI design because the end goals of each of them are mutually exclusive. No, this is not a case of me not liking something because it's different. It is measurably worse for me to use 8.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;49333132]On one hand, upgrading to Windows 10 right now is a bad move because I still don't like all the incompatibilities and problems 10 has with so many games and programs out there. There's not much we can really do about old games besides fans trying to make patches and compatibility the hard way, but when modern games may not support Windows 10 either occasionally due to a focus on Vista/7, that's a problem. On the other hand, once everyone's inevitably forced to go to 10 if they're connected to the net, because fuck you Microsoft and the lack of choice in the matter, that means more developers hopefully would try to [i]make[/i] their games compatible for obvious reasons. But still, they really shouldn't be forced to in this circumstance.[/QUOTE] I have been using Windows 10 for quite some while and havent noticed many compability issues. Are you just speculating, or any specific examples?
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;49334368]Pre-patch that disabled running Linux on PS3 super computers.[/QUOTE] so I guess that's what the army did with all the units then hey
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49334381]I have been using Windows 10 for quite some while and havent noticed many compability issues. Are you just speculating, or any specific examples?[/QUOTE] Admittedly mostly speculation and from hearing complaints left and right from all sorts of places. I'm one of those people that realize they'll have to upgrade their OS eventually but just can't be assed. Especially since I'll have to learn how to work the complexities of and put a computer together some time eventually.
[QUOTE=ultradude25;49334249]plus the confusing split settings,[/QUOTE] 8 and 10 both have this. There's a separate settings menu, and the control panel. Some settings can only be modified in one, some in the other. Some can be modified in both. Some settings pages have options and links that [i]open shit in the other menu.[/i] The people responsible for greenlighting this design deserve to be launched into the sun.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49333138]How is this not worth a huge class action lawsuit by companies who's software suddenly no longer works because the OS forced itself to install?[/QUOTE] Because this article is probably talking about retail versions of Windows - not the kind which business customers will buy in bulk.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49333758]Still waiting for Valve to save PC gaming so I can switch to Linux full-time. Gaming is literally the only reason I'm still on Windows.[/QUOTE] this so much, once Vulkan becomes the norm (which it will thanks to Source 2 being practically free to inie devs who will swamp Steam in Vulkan titles) Linux/SteamOS ports will become the norm, and then no more need for Windows. Old titles will work with Wine/PlayOnLinux, and someone will come up with a "retroarch" of sorts to make it effortless to get those titles working with the right settings.
[QUOTE=Dr Ninkeo;49333116]This shit is getting pretty fucking ridiculous, either people do or don't want to upgrade to 10. How is this not illegal?[/QUOTE] Because it's their OS, and you're using a license to use their OS. Also, the biggest thing, is that it's up to Microsoft to determine what an update is. To them, Windows 10 is an update for Windows 7/8. They can push the update all they want. As long as they don't make your PC unusable and remove advertised features, they're not doing anything illegal. In fact what in hell made you think this could ever be illegal
[QUOTE=The Baconator;49334446]this so much, once Vulkan becomes the norm (which it will thanks to Source 2 being practically free to inie devs who will swamp Steam in Vulkan titles) Linux/SteamOS ports will become the norm, and then no more need for Windows. Old titles will work with Wine/PlayOnLinux, and someone will come up with a "retroarch" of sorts to make it effortless to get those titles working with the right settings.[/QUOTE] God I want that optimism.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49334381]I have been using Windows 10 for quite some while and havent noticed many compability issues. Are you just speculating, or any specific examples?[/QUOTE] I posted some examples from my personal horror story earlier in the thread. [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=49256489#post49256489]Direct link to my original post.[/url] With laptops that I've repaired for people a routine occurrence is that 10 looks up the hardware ID strings and installs the wrong drivers. Naturally the majority of these drivers don't work very well, sometimes failing to work entirely. I've seen several acer laptops that 10 installs perfectly on. It boots up for the first time, incorrectly detects hardware, installs the wrong drivers, promptly bluescreens and then bricks itself so badly that the only fix is a complete reinstall from scratch. The killer is that there is no quick and easy way to outright ignore drivers for a certain piece of hardware. Any time there is an update to the driver that you've manually blacklisted, it installs the latest version, and will promptly commit sodoku again.
[QUOTE=ultradude25;49334249]"I haven't had any issues, so clearly all the people that have are just edgelords." If you've truly never had issues with Windows updates, then you're sure lucky (or you were smart enough to turn automatic updates off, and wait a few weeks to see if the updates were bad before installing them), I've had the OS brick multiple times on multiple computers from routine updates in 7. However, with 10's insider program I don't expect that sort of thing to be an issue any more. As for 10, I've personally had the all the menus and universal apps randomly break four times since I installed 10 fresh about three months ago. Once I was able to fix it by just restarting (of course that wasn't so easy since I didn't have a start menu), but otherwise I had to enter some magic incantation into PowerShell, which effectively reinstalled all the apps (including all the ones I had purposely uninstalled): [code]Get-AppXPackage -AllUsers | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}[/code] Jeez, and people say Linux is bad for having to enter stuff in the terminal, at least the commands are brief and fairly easy to remember, unlike this nonsense. Then there's the major TH "updates" that really just reinstall the OS over itself, and reset your settings and default programs (it even changed the default for opening word documents to wordpad, I guess MS doesn't want me using even their own products over the ones included in the OS), not to mention it took ages to "update", even on an SSD. I'm not saying 10 is bad, in fact aside from the random broken stuff (which honestly I was prepared for since it hasn't been out long), I've been very happy with it's features and performance. For the average user however, if they fix these sort of "oh everything has randomly broken" issues (something I might expect from some random Linux distribution), the terrible major update process, plus the confusing split settings, then maybe 10 will be ready for them. TH3, perhaps?[/QUOTE] I install pretty much all updates on my Win10 machine and never had problem with settings dropped, how do you even get that? [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zephyrs;49334469]I posted some examples from my personal horror story earlier in the thread. [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=49256489#post49256489]Direct link to my original post.[/url] With laptops that I've repaired for people a routine occurrence is that 10 looks up the hardware ID strings and installs the wrong drivers. Naturally the majority of these drivers don't work very well, sometimes failing to work entirely. I've seen several acer laptops that 10 installs perfectly on. It boots up for the first time, incorrectly detects hardware, installs the wrong drivers, promptly bluescreens and then bricks itself so badly that the only fix is a complete reinstall from scratch. The killer is that there is no quick and easy way to outright ignore drivers for a certain piece of hardware. Any time there is an update to the driver that you've manually blacklisted, it installs the latest version, and will promptly commit sodoku again.[/QUOTE] You must be severely unlucky,I had not even 10% of that. My main issue with win10 on my desktop is that it made the startup process 3 minutes long. Some people say its blazing fast for them, but then that might be due to me not formattingmy 1TB drive even once for 5 years now (which is a personal record)
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49334489]I install pretty much all updates on my Win10 machine and never had problem with settings dropped, how do you even get that?[/QUOTE] I'm talking about build updates (TH2), which isn't really an update. The nature of installing a new OS on top of the old one (which is what a build update does), results in lost settings. If you started with TH2, then you haven't had the fun of installing a build update. I guess you have TH3 to look forward to.
What about people like me who Windows 10 literally crashes because it doesn't like my video card
[QUOTE=mralexs;49334570]What about people like me who Windows 10 literally crashes because it doesn't like my video card[/QUOTE] What is your card?
[QUOTE=mralexs;49334570]What about people like me who Windows 10 literally crashes because it doesn't like my video card[/QUOTE] I don't get crashes, but it consistently forgets my monitor layout and resolution settings. Also, no audio over HDMI, despite frequently setting HDMI as the default audio device, even if I don't have anything plugged into my HDMI ports (which is almost always). On integrated graphics, all that stuff is fine. Even the audio over HDMI. [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] [url=http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Classified-Dual-Link-Graphics-04G-P4-3778-KR/dp/B00DBPU8B2/]EVGA GTX770 4GB[/url] Yeah it's not a "generic" 770, but there is absolutely nothing unusual or otherwise peculiar about it.
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;49333954]i cant believe there are people out there who still havent upgraded lol why would you even[/QUOTE] Maybe because it's spyware?
[QUOTE=CoixNiro;49334618]Maybe because it's spyware?[/QUOTE] Says the person posting from an android phone...
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;49334374]Objectively wrong. There were multiple applications that I was running at the time that would consistently and reliably cause a total system lock in Vista after 15-25 hours. These same things have ran for months on XP and 7+. Vista uses more resources than 7 by a significant margin. It's less stable, etc. There has been no major patch other than "upgrade to 7" that has fixed this. Yes, many of the showstopper issues were patched out in the service packs. Not all of them. Unless there has been a major overhaul to vista in the last 4 years that I'm unaware of, this is still the case. It was, is, and will continue to be, a bloated, buggy, fundamentally broken and crippled excuse for an OS.[/QUOTE] I'll agree that Vista was a bigger resource hog than 7 (although every Windows since then has actually been slimmer than its predecessor), although I'm having a hard time believing it remains as buggy as you make it out to be. I'll admit I have little experience with Vista in its later life, but from what I've heard, later service packs made it incredibly stable and great for server use. Even during the days I did use it, it worked fine and the only problem was slowness, as my computer at the time was an OEM machine that came with XP and was so weak it could barely handle Source games at 640x480.
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I haven't had Windows Update turned on in years so I'm never getting a forced Windows 10 upgrade. Surprisingly, I haven't gotten any major security attacks either.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;49334666]I'll agree that Vista was a bigger resource hog than 7 (although every Windows since then has actually been slimmer than its predecessor), although I'm having a hard time believing it remains as buggy as you make it out to be. I'll admit I have little experience with Vista in its later life, but from what I've heard, later service packs made it incredibly stable and great for server use. Even during the days I did use it, it worked fine and the only problem was slowness, as my computer at the time was an OEM machine that came with XP and was so weak it could barely handle Source games at 640x480.[/QUOTE] My pet theory is that there's something legitimately broken in the kernel somewhere. I can consistently make any Vista install completely lock up within ~24 hours just by running certain types disk intensive applications (one example being torrent clients).
[QUOTE=ultradude25;49334544]I'm talking about build updates (TH2), which isn't really an update. The nature of installing a new OS on top of the old one (which is what a build update does), results in lost settings. If you started with TH2, then you haven't had the fun of installing a build update. I guess you have TH3 to look forward to.[/QUOTE] Threshold is done It's Redstone to look forward too
I'm 100% certain they're going to release some extremely shady updates for Windows 10 soon. I see no logical reason why any company should care so much whether people are using the newest version of the product when they don't really have anything to gain from it, and I highly doubt that consumer's safety and benefit is in Microsoft's best interest.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;49334876]I'm 100% certain they're going to release some extremely shady updates for Windows 10 soon. I see no logical reason why any company should care so much whether people are using the newest version of the product when they don't really have anything to gain from it, and I highly doubt that consumer's safety and benefit is in Microsoft's best interest.[/QUOTE] Because they have everything to gain from it. They're trying to move to a storefront service with continuity through their desktop and mobile platforms. The more people that switch to 10 the more money they make.
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;49334922]lol people still believe this as well as posting on an android device wowee man.[/QUOTE] I have an idea, just for shits and giggles let's actually refute my point.
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