• Microsoft Makes Windows 10 'Free Upgrades' Worse
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[QUOTE=dustyjo;49335193]For the USB2.0 device or what? If so: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C26&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_05 Either way, whenever Windows 10 would install, it would get up to the "it's taking longer than usual" screen and just sit there for 6+ hours. Then it would restart, and I would have absolutely no input whatsoever. No USB devices would work, and the graphics were fucked up too. I've had to restore from backup both times I've tried because you can literally do nothing at all.[/QUOTE] Multiple results based on the entries seperated by ampersand Most interesting page I found [t]https://jii.moe/EkGqjwiHl.png[/t] [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] Rest was full of video/graphics/network drivers
I haven't received a single notification to upgrade to 10, so I guess I won't
[QUOTE=Scratch.;49335234]Multiple results based on the entries seperated by ampersand Most interesting page I found [t]https://jii.moe/EkGqjwiHl.png[/t] [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] Rest was full of video/graphics/network drivers[/QUOTE] Yeah it's the regular Intel controller, so you'd think it wouldn't have any problems. I really don't know what to do other than stay on Win7 until I build a new PC or EOL, whatever comes first.
We are 10. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
[QUOTE=Scratch.;49335216][img]https://jii.moe/41x3KDorg.png[/img] yeah it really shows how much you looked [t]https://jii.moe/E1Kf9DiSl.png[/t][/QUOTE] i knew it existed and i turned it on that way. i suck at using things you are right though. ignorance is bliss and i use windows 8 cause i said so
[QUOTE=dustyjo;49335241]Yeah it's the regular Intel controller, so you'd think it wouldn't have any problems. I really don't know what to do other than stay on Win7 until I build a new PC or EOL, whatever comes first.[/QUOTE] Look at a new motherboard if anything I run a Z87-PRO, won't call it overly flashy, not top of the range either at this point But I new yours needed a upgrade in good time when I noticed it used AISuite 2 [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=111112oo;49335253]i knew it existed and i turned it on that way. i suck at using things you are right though.[/QUOTE] I'm thinking of keeping it on to be honest I don't see my wallpapers enough to enjoy them
[QUOTE=Scratch.;49335255]Look at a new motherboard if anything I run a Z87-PRO, won't call it overly flashy, not top of the range either at this point But I new yours needed a upgrade in good time when I noticed it used AISuite 2 [/QUOTE] Eh, it's a Sandy Bridge board from 2011. I don't think I really [I]need[/I] an upgrade yet. Even the latest Intel CPUs aren't all that much faster anyway.
[QUOTE=Clovis;49333218]This is a good thing, now people will actually start revolving shit around windows 10 which is how it should be[/QUOTE] No it's not a fucking good thing, it's terrible that they are trying to force a barely functional, spying piece of shit on us. This is my computer, I don't want Windows 10, they are breaking the law doing this and they need to be shut the fuck down on this.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;49333331]Honestly? Good. The last thing we need is another XP situation. Even years after the fact there were still XP apologists railing against Vista and even 7, and it made standardization a chore because some people didn't wanna move on to the latest APIs and feature-sets. Let's keep everyone on the latest version, please.[/QUOTE]Congratulations, that's exactly what's happening with 7 and 8, and fucking frankly I'm one of them. After what happened with Windows 10 I am absolutely not going to upgrade ever. Hell no. [QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;49334328]Windows 10 is a plot by the NSA to monitor everybody's data[/QUOTE]I know you're just fucking around, but given what I experienced I totally wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Windows 10 tried scrubbing my entire drive and uploading almost a gigabyte worth of data through the normal telemetry shit, I caught it with wireshark and I went nope, not happening and forcibly aborted Windows 10 from my hard drive. I'm not sure what happened there, but I do have some sensitive/questionable stuff so it was just one of those "hm, that is fucking strange," moments where I decided to nuke everything just to be safe. I'm told that the normal telemetry data should not even be anywhere near that amount, given the nature of my situation and it's rarity I'm incredibly suspicious of all of it and I absolutely do not trust Microsoft at all.
Windows 10 is so shit. It makes me wanna die and get stabbed by a lightsaber like Han Solo as he gets killed by Kylo Ren, his son.
How come there are so many people who have problems with win10 or 8 Since the first month when win8 was released I upgraded, never regretted that since everything was better, never used the start menu anyway Now win10 is even better and even more are having problems, but tbh the only people I know that have problems with win10 are those who pirated it or are just so illiterate about computers the first thing they install is 5 different YouTube downloaders Quit whining and get used to it and if it doesn't work properly on your computer consider upgrading your computer.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49335087]That's a fairly valid point but What more of a guarantee do you want, it's the same guarantee as any other OS upgrade could offer you. What did you do when 8 came out? Or 7?[/QUOTE] Generally speaking I upgrade to a new OS when I get new hardware, or when something breaks terribly and I have to do an OS reinstall anyway. Or, to put it another way, I prefer to I upgrade on my own terms when it's convenient to do so and I see no reason to go through the hassle of upgrading just because I can when my current OS works perfectly fine and--just as important--will continue to get security updates for some time to come. To more directly answer your question: None of the other OS's provided that guarantee and I didn't switch to them right away for the same reason I'm not switching to Windows 10. The main difference is now Microsoft is really trying to push Windows 10 on me and it's a bit annoying. More generally, my post was geared towards giving a logical response to those with a mindset similar to: [QUOTE=Ehmmett;49333954]i cant believe there are people out there who still havent upgraded lol why would you even[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=dustyjo;49335089][URL="https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8Z68V_PRO/HelpDesk_Download/"]This is the driver page for my motherboard.[/URL] Notice how there are no Win10 drivers at all whatsoever. There's a different version called the P8Z68-v PRO/GEN3, which came out less than a month after I bought this motherboard and [I]does[/I] have Win10 drivers.. Windows 10 thinks that this board and the GEN3 are exactly the same, when they are not. Thus, it installs the wrong drivers and fucking cripples my machine.[/QUOTE] I have the exact same motherboard and I haven't run into any problems with drivers and what not on W10.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49333485]I'd rather not risk finding out.[/QUOTE] If it can run Windows 7/8/8.1 it can run Windows 10, for the most part. The drivers are still compatible.
[QUOTE=Plaster;49335303]How come there are so many people who have problems with win10 or 8 Since the first month when win8 was released I upgraded, never regretted that since everything was better, never used the start menu anyway Now win10 is even better and even more are having problems, but tbh the only people I know that have problems with win10 are those who pirated it or are just so illiterate about computers the first thing they install is 5 different YouTube downloaders Quit whining and get used to it and if it doesn't work properly on your computer consider upgrading your computer.[/QUOTE] It's almost like different people have different hardware and software that they want to continue to use instead of replacing them with ones that might be compatible just because they absolutely must have the newest version of Windows so that they aren't called computer illiterate pirates. No, it couldn't be people would rather just keep using their perfectly good, still officially supported by Microsoft, OS that works with their current hardware and software.
[QUOTE=Plaster;49335303]How come there are so many people who have problems with win10 or 8 Since the first month when win8 was released I upgraded, never regretted that since everything was better, never used the start menu anyway Now win10 is even better and even more are having problems, but tbh the only people I know that have problems with win10 are those who pirated it or are just so illiterate about computers the first thing they install is 5 different YouTube downloaders Quit whining and get used to it and if it doesn't work properly on your computer consider upgrading your computer.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm a computer illiterate pirate because win10 refuses to work on my machine. Are you joking?
[QUOTE=Plaster;49335303]Now win10 is even better and even more are having problems, but tbh the only people I know that have problems with win10 are those who pirated it[/QUOTE] You do realize that you can get a completely valid version of windows 10 by upgrading from a pirated version of 7 right? They don't have any real checks against it in place. You can do a clean install of 7, and then upgrade, and it works without any complaints. There is no reason to pirate 10. Try not to just make shit up in the future. [QUOTE=Plaster;49335303]and if it doesn't work properly on your computer consider upgrading your computer.[/QUOTE] Oh boy this again. Why should I upgrade? I already have a system that is near the top of the line. To gain any meaningful hardware benefits out of an "upgrade" I'd have to spend around 2000 USD. Or I could just stay on an operating system that works, is supposed to be supported for the next 5 years, and has an interface that is more coherent. Bah, who am I kidding? Spending 2000 dollars is clearly the superior choice here. :hurr:
the best thing about windows 10 is that the usb3 drivers aren't a joke like they were in w8(.1) [QUOTE=111112oo;49335188]I installed windows 10 once.... The brightness was stuck at max and i couldn't change it. The fullscreen start menu (My favorite feature about windows 8) was butchered; no more fun. The experience seemed weird so I just decided to go back to my comfort zone. I'm def biased about this lol, I didn't give it a full go, only 30 mins of use, and they probably already patched the bugs.[/QUOTE] if you searched "Brightness" you'd have figured out how to fix it found it in 5 seconds, less even. Calibrate display color.
[QUOTE=TheJoker;49335311]I have the exact same motherboard and I haven't run into any problems with drivers and what not on W10.[/QUOTE] It could very well also be non motherboard components. On a friends desktop, which has a vaguely similar problem to mine, his audio is 7 different kinds of fucked up, unless he removes his graphics card. His GPU doesn't even have the capability of outputting audio, so it's completely stumped us. If he puts his GPU in, all sound is morphed into some eldritch horror clawing it's way out of the bowels of the underworld. If the GPU is out, it works perfectly. In my case, I thought my audio nonsense was because it apparently doesn't like my graphics card, and attempts to set HDMI as my default audio device. He doesn't have that capability, so who knows what the hell is actually happening.
W10's not bad at all, except for when the mandatory updates shut down your computer while you're working after you scheduled them for a completely different time, and then delete your entire pictures folder, and change random settings. Just today it decided that the all of the ui and text were going to be bigger (and of course super gross stretched looking), and it took forever to change the setting back because the search function is atrocious. All in all 7/10 better than Win8.
I think most/all issues probably stem from upgrading, not installing, from the looks of it I've installed it like, three times now, first time was a bunk after setting up (start menu kept freezing, the entire computer started shitting itself, probably a bad HDD though), and I reformatted, did it on a clean win7 install, and the third time was purchasing it and installing it on a SSD, took less than 30 minutes for me. IMHO best way to do it is by doing it on a totally fresh win7/8 and then upgrading. Preferably that you do it on a 250gb or plus sized SSD. Don't expect everything to just work 100% of the time. Make it work.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;49335446]Yeah there's literally 0 reason to go hunt out for a Windows 10 ISO with a pre-activator or loader and pirate it. Get a legit license (really cheap BTW look on [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/microsoftsoftwareswap/"]/r/microsoftsoftwareswap[/URL]) for Windows 7, clean install it with SP1, and update it till it won't update no more and upgrade it for those people that didn't know this. Bang free Windows 10 License.[/QUOTE] I'm reasonably sure you don't even need to put the key into 7. Might be version dependent, and it might have been a bug and been fixed. I haven't really tested this extensively.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;49335399]Oh boy this again. Why should I upgrade? I already have a system that is near the top of the line. To gain any meaningful hardware benefits out of an "upgrade" I'd have to spend around 2000 USD. Or I could just stay on an operating system that works, is supposed to be supported for the next 5 years, and has an interface that is more coherent. Bah, who am I kidding? Spending 2000 dollars is clearly the superior choice here. :hurr:[/QUOTE] do you seriously believe it'll cost 2000$ for an upgrade are you running win98 on a computer from 1999 or something? it won't cost nearly that much. But if you live in the 90's, it would. unless you have insanely old hardware the most you'd probably need to do is change the CPU, gpu, MAYBE the mobo
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;49335517]He was being sarcastic. But that really could be a real world case for some people...[/QUOTE] to be fair, there are so many mac/console fanboys that will make the same claim but 100% be serious
[quote]users who haven’t chosen to customise their core Windows Update settings.[/quote] wow so all you have to do to stop automatic updates is disable automatic updates what a fucking suprise just some more fearmongering [quote]Savvy computer users will know they can dismiss the request by clicking the ‘X’ in the upper right corner of the Get Windows 10 pop-up window[/quote] oh yes, savvy, because the average user certainly doesn't know what the X in the fucking corner of the window does, the same X they use everytime they browse the Internet or any folder on the computer, they all need yes/no buttons or they'll get hit with a sudden case of retarded and be "forced" to click the Install Now button. great article, it's completely directed at people that know jack shit about computers for extra fearmongering points "oh no updates are installing with the auto-updates on, Microsoft is evil guys"
[QUOTE=J!NX;49335516]do you seriously believe it'll cost 2000$ for an upgrade are you running win98 on a computer from 1999 or something? it won't cost nearly that much. But if you live in the 90's, it would. unless you have insanely old hardware the most you'd probably need to do is change the CPU, gpu, MAYBE the mobo[/QUOTE] I could [i]easily[/i] wind up spending 2000 dollars if I wanted to do a serious upgrade to my system. I have top end hardware already. To actually "upgrade" I'd need to start crossing some [I]major[/I] price:performance thresholds. This a direct response to the comment that I should upgrade a computer if 10 doesn't work on it. That's a fucking ridiculous statement to make, and quite frankly, it shows a near total lack of even rudimentary comprehension of why 10 doesn't work for some people. [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;49335517]He was being sarcastic. But that really could be a real world case for some people...[/QUOTE] Definitely not joking. If I wanted to upgrade it would have to be the latest unlocked chip (since I can comfortably sit at 4.5GHz on my 4770k running at 100% load for several weeks straight right now, anything less than the absolute top end could not possibly warrant an upgrade), DDR4 (can't reuse my ram in this case), a top end GPU to match. Hell, even the motherboard would be stupidly expensive if I wanted to maintain feature parity with what I already have. Oh and I'd want to throw on a serious hardware RAID card. Switching between motherboards when using software RAID has proven to be problematic for me in the past.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;49333331]Honestly? Good. The last thing we need is another XP situation. Even years after the fact there were still XP apologists railing against Vista and even 7, and it made standardization a chore because some people didn't wanna move on to the latest APIs and feature-sets. Let's keep everyone on the latest version, please.[/QUOTE] Nope, fuck that. If the software I really have to use only has a Win10 version, sure I'll upgrade. That is the choice the software developer made and if I absolutely need to use the latest version there isn't much I can do. That is what pretty much happened with my switch from XP to 7. But I will not be fucking forced into upgrading by Microsoft. I don't really know if this is scaremongering and you can truly turn off automatic updates, random restarts and other stuff. I'd rather switch out than be strong armed. Especially to please standardisation fans who want more things to be available for Win10 they upgraded to.
[QUOTE=Fetret;49335586]Nope, fuck that. If the software I really have to use only has a Win10 version, sure I'll upgrade. That is the choice the software developer made and if I absolutely need to use the latest version there isn't much I can do. That is what pretty much happened with my switch from XP to 7. But I will not be fucking forced into upgrading by Microsoft. I don't really know if this is scaremongering and you can truly turn off automatic updates, random restarts and other stuff. I'd rather switch out than be strong armed. Especially to please standardisation fans who want more things to be available for Win10 they upgraded to.[/QUOTE] Strong armed into what? Upgrading to a newer version legally without having to pay for it? Besides, it's windows, literally just about anything can be disabled one way or another (though only really in pro edition - look into group policy).
i am not going to upgrade from 7 until there is a benefit that i consider great enough simple as that
I went from Win 7 to Win 10. and there is virtually no difference at least for what I use my computer for. play video games watch youtube/movies and browse this shitty site called facepunch. But I suppose for people who actually do more advanced things it could be an issue.
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