If you actually defend this you are telling Microsoft that doing stuff like this is okay.
For the love of all that is holy please stop.
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;49335062]They're doing so because the fact that people are still on xp is a massive fuckup
how many giant blinking "ITS FREE AND BETTER" signs do you need[/QUOTE]
If you're not the customer, then you're the product. Nothing is free.
And better is entirely subjective.
[editline]17th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49335087]That's a fairly valid point but
What more of a guarantee do you want, it's the same guarantee as any other OS upgrade could offer you. What did you do when 8 came out? Or 7?[/QUOTE]
I jumped right in to Vista, and that was a mistake. I waited over a year after 7 came out to upgrade to it, and I'm glad I did. Far superior product. 8.0/8.1 I've avoided, but a laptop I bought this year came with it. I installed some mods to it that makes it behave more like Windows 7.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;49333132]On one hand, upgrading to Windows 10 right now is a bad move because I still don't like all the incompatibilities and problems 10 has with so many games and programs out there. There's not much we can really do about old games besides fans trying to make patches and compatibility the hard way, but when modern games may not support Windows 10 either occasionally due to a focus on Vista/7, that's a problem.
On the other hand, once everyone's inevitably forced to go to 10 if they're connected to the net, because fuck you Microsoft and the lack of choice in the matter, that means more developers hopefully would try to [I]make[/I] their games compatible for obvious reasons. But still, they really shouldn't be forced to in this circumstance.[/QUOTE]
If you uninstall a certain list of updates like me, it won't pester you at all to update to windows 10. I've also turned updates off completely. And nothing has happened.
[QUOTE=Dr Ninkeo;49333116]This shit is getting pretty fucking ridiculous, either people do or don't want to upgrade to 10. How is this not illegal?[/QUOTE]
Because its their product. Not their fault their users are not smart enough to alter the update settings.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;49338729]Because its their product. Not their fault their users are not smart enough to alter the update settings.[/QUOTE]
It's not like Microsoft in general and their Windows distributions in particular are completely unregulated, that would be pretty ridiculous considering their exceptional influence. They've been involved in antitrust and competition cases before. For example, for some time they had to offer new users an internet browser choice instead of defaulting to IE - even tho it wasn't "their fault their users were not smart enough to download an alternative". Tho I think that deal timed out some time ago.
That said, I don't see what kind of regulation would apply here.
Do people think you need some sort of ultra-gaming rig to run Windows 10 for some reason?
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;49339207]Do people think you need some sort of ultra-gaming rig to run Windows 10 for some reason?[/QUOTE]
no, you dont need an ultra gaming rig, windows 10 works well even on low end hardware. The problem is that it needs modern hardware regardless of how powerful it is, it needs drivers.
This was the same issue the Vista had. Now although windows 10 has come far handeling missing drivers and updating things on their own, the bottom line is that older hardware just simply dont have the updated drivers. And if someone bought a gaming rig 5-6 years ago that is still decent today but doesnt have the latest drivers, why break it or force them to upgrade to new hardware when it isnt needed.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;49336416]Also just to clarification if people have jumped the gun 5 pages in and missed it I just ran a very up to date Windows 7 machine, checked it for updates. Grabbed the offending update, uninstalled it and hide it.
Remember you still AREN'T being forced since you can actually remove the update that downloads Windows 10 and GWX from ever popping up and any other offending updates that may try and force this on to your device, you can still do the same with those.
For now thou.
You can still hide the update KB3035583.
[code] run this in an elevated command prompt
wusa /uninstall /KB:3035583
[/code]
Check again for updates and immediately hide it when it pops up.(It should show as important by default to some users but check recommended and optional for this)
If there's any other update I've missed you can simply replace the KB: and it's number through that command and hide it the same way.[/QUOTE]
There's more than one of these awful updates that causes partial, or full win10 crap. Do you/anyone know the complete list of names for those updates?
So what about the people who don't like the UI, "phone home" and "management" changes in 8 and upwards?
WINE and GPU manufacturers drivers' better step up their game, because now I'm using windows out of necessity with all the nagging about updating to a gimped OS and the "it's for the greater good" limitations imposed in anything beyond 7.
Them doing their hardest to shove Win10 down people's throats whether they want it or not seems awfully fishy, especially given their fruitful and long-running relationship with the National Security Agency.
[QUOTE=Kuro.;49341611]Them doing their hardest to shove Win10 down people's throats whether they want it or not seems awfully fishy, especially given their fruitful and long-running relationship with the National Security Agency.[/QUOTE]
You know I doubt that but... microsoft isn't doing good by doing this... more likely they don't want a repeat of the XP situation, but If they were really working with the NSA, they wouldn't say anything about the data collection it actually does, (in reality, they do collect data, you cannot opt out of sending primary
(like OS stuff that is not usually seen unless you go into admin tools) error reports now, but you can disable the rest..., But Like I said earlier, Microsoft is shooting itself in the foot by doing this, because of NSA paranoia (I actually don't blame people for the paranoia), people don't trust windows 10.
i like win10 but it also irritates me sometimes, the latest update started making direct x blue screen me when waking my computer up from sleep
The thing that annoys me in windows 10 is that it's pushing me to get onedrive and office 360 with tray notifications.
Since they are so eager to push the upgrade I'm sure they'll just blur the line between 7 8 and 10 by pushing smaller updates that change the os "on the inside" over time. They already did with some of the things I think like telemetry.
[editline]18th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kuro.;49341611]Them doing their hardest to shove Win10 down people's throats whether they want it or not seems awfully fishy, especially given their fruitful and long-running relationship with the National Security Agency.[/QUOTE]
But they already pushed updates to do this in 7 and 8 didn't they?
[QUOTE=CapsAdmin;49342249]
But they already pushed updates to do this in 7 and 8 didn't they?[/QUOTE]
You thinking of the one we had a huge thread about?
-snip-
[QUOTE=da space core;49339251]no, you dont need an ultra gaming rig, windows 10 works well even on low end hardware. The problem is that it needs modern hardware regardless of how powerful it is, it needs drivers.
This was the same issue the Vista had. Now although windows 10 has come far handeling missing drivers and updating things on their own, the bottom line is that older hardware just simply dont have the updated drivers. And if someone bought a gaming rig 5-6 years ago that is still decent today but doesnt have the latest drivers, why break it or force them to upgrade to new hardware when it isnt needed.[/QUOTE]
Windows 10 doesn't need new drivers. How do you think people ran the insider preview before vendors released new drivers? Or how about how Windows 8/8.1 still ran on hardware only supporting Windows 7? Windows Vista was a special case and changed several major things, including switching from XDM to WDDM. Windows 10 adds new versions for a couple of driver interfaces, but does not break compatibility with previous drivers. Drivers for Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 should, for the most part, still work with Windows 10.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49335516]
unless you have insanely old hardware the most you'd probably need to do is change the CPU, gpu, MAYBE the mobo[/QUOTE]
Unless you've got a processor older than a Pentium 4 / Athlon 64 (which would also run Windows 7 like complete shit, so you know), you shouldn't need to upgrade that for compatibility reasons. The main culprits are the motherboards, with a shit ton of different components that require drivers.
It's still bullshit though, why should anyone have to upgrade to a new OS, encounter compatibility issues, and buy a new machine, even though their current computer works fine for everything they do, and the older system still has official support for another four years? "BECAUSE UR NUB AND ITS OLD!" ? very fine argument I give you a share and the thumb pointing up on the facebooks ok.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;49336709]I went from Win 7 to Win 10. and there is virtually no difference at least for what I use my computer for. play video games watch youtube/movies and browse this shitty site called facepunch. But I suppose for people who actually do more advanced things it could be an issue.[/QUOTE]
I've skipped around from 7, to 8.1, to 7 again, and now to 10 and for me it's basically 8.1, which I prefer, just way better
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;49343152]Unless you've got a processor older than a Pentium 4 / Athlon 64 (which would also run Windows 7 like complete shit, so you know), you shouldn't need to upgrade that for compatibility reasons. The main culprits are the motherboards, with a shit ton of different components that require drivers.
It's still bullshit though, why should anyone have to upgrade to a new OS, encounter compatibility issues, and buy a new machine, even though their current computer works fine for everything they do, and the older system still has official support for another four years? "BECAUSE UR NUB AND ITS OLD!" ? very fine argument I give you a share and the thumb pointing up on the facebooks ok.[/QUOTE]
that's up to the interpretation of the user itself really
if you just make shitty posts on the internet work a windows xp could probably work out. You could upgrade to 7 because you got it from a friend, and then suddenly 10 within a day lets say, and encounter those problems, and maybe that'll tell you made a gigantic fuck of a mistake that will cost you possibly a few hundred bucks and a lot of time,even though the XP was perfectly fine and secure as you ONLY used it exactly for very specific things. That, or you could take it as a sign that you should really just toss it and buy a cheapo win10 tablet/netbook.
That's the best example I could think of. The biggest reason someone would need to change from 7 to 10 would of course be better VR and DX12 support. If it works [I]perfectly fine[/I] without it and it wouldn't give you any benefits then it wouldn't really be worth it, but it would be a great upgrade if you felt it time to upgrade.
also, at the time I made that I didn't fully realize the 'quoted' person had totally solid hardware. I'm not really saying "Because you should change it because its old!!!" anywhere though, that was someone else. I was saying that unless he has insanely old hardware it [I]SHOULD maybe[/I] work
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;49335520]wow so all you have to do to stop automatic updates is disable automatic updates what a fucking suprise
just some more fearmongering
[/QUOTE]
The problem is that some people want the system to install updates automatically; they just don't want to get Windows 10 ads and installation prompts shoved into their faces (or even worse, the OS to install automatically). Microsoft's kind enough to provide a "I don't want Windows 10, stop seeing it as a recommended update please" option, too bad they've also made it revert back to it's default "yes fuck me in the ass please" state every once in a while. A couple of months ago, Microsoft apologized and said it was just a glitch that would be fixed momentarily. Apparently they lied, or noticed that the glitch worked in their favour and instead turned it into a feature, and now everyone's forgotten about that. Color me surprised.
Sure there are some things you can do yourself, such as constantly making sure it's classed as an "optional" update, and various other things you can find by googling the problem, so maybe it's the users fault for being lazy. Or perhaps Microsoft should just stop being assholes
I'm using the OEM Windows 7 and I don't seem to get these "upgrade" messages. Since moving to 64 bit Windows I don't seem much point in upgrading past 7. Windows 10 has a few issues on my laptop, I have to install USB flash drive drivers manually for some reason and only some android devices will install drivers properly, it could be something I'm doing wrong, but all that stuff worked fine on Windows 7.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49343191]I've skipped around from 7, to 8.1, to 7 again, and now to 10 and for me it's basically 8.1, which I prefer, just way better
that's up to the interpretation of the user itself really
if you just make shitty posts on the internet work a windows xp could probably work out. You could upgrade to 7 because you got it from a friend, and then suddenly 10 within a day lets say, and encounter those problems, and maybe that'll tell you made a gigantic fuck of a mistake that will cost you possibly a few hundred bucks and a lot of time,even though the XP was perfectly fine and secure as you ONLY used it exactly for very specific things. That, or you could take it as a sign that you should really just toss it and buy a cheapo win10 tablet/netbook.
That's the best example I could think of. The biggest reason someone would need to change from 7 to 10 would of course be better VR and DX12 support. If it works [I]perfectly fine[/I] without it and it wouldn't give you any benefits then it wouldn't really be worth it, but it would be a great upgrade if you felt it time to upgrade.
also, at the time I made that I didn't fully realize the 'quoted' person had totally solid hardware. I'm not really saying "Because you should change it because its old!!!" anywhere though, that was someone else. I was saying that unless he has insanely old hardware it [I]SHOULD maybe[/I] work[/QUOTE]
Ye, I was more thinking about Plaster and his solid "If you encounter problems stop whining and buy new hardware you shit" way of thinking
[QUOTE=ben1066;49343018]Windows 10 doesn't need new drivers. How do you think people ran the insider preview before vendors released new drivers? Or how about how Windows 8/8.1 still ran on hardware only supporting Windows 7? Windows Vista was a special case and changed several major things, including switching from XDM to WDDM. Windows 10 adds new versions for a couple of driver interfaces, but does not break compatibility with previous drivers. Drivers for Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 should, for the most part, still work with Windows 10.[/QUOTE]
You would be surprised. First, in the case of graphics drivers, you need drivers for Windows 10, you cant get by with windows 8 drivers and expect everything to work flawlessly. And while most generic devices have generic drivers, it isnt perfect. I recall I installed windows 10 preview on an old dell laptop. The laptop was old but worked fine. However, windows 10 didnt know how to use the laptops brightness sensor correctly, making the screen ridiculously dark. I had to use a flashlight to light up the screen, and get to the device manager to uninstall the brightness sensor driver
My laptop would go black as soon as I start it up with the Win 10 upgrade. It's BS that it says that my specs are "compatible" and then this happens. Never again. Anyway to shut the popups and automatic downloads off?
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;49343224]I'm using the OEM Windows 7 and I don't seem to get these "upgrade" messages. Since moving to 64 bit Windows I don't seem much point in upgrading past 7. Windows 10 has a few issues on my laptop, I have to install USB flash drive drivers manually for some reason and only some android devices will install drivers properly, it could be something I'm doing wrong, but all that stuff worked fine on Windows 7.[/QUOTE]
It's because you're on OEM. The upgrade to Windows 10 wasn't free for OEM copies unless you download an ISO and install as an upgrade, then it'll register just fine.
[QUOTE=cyanidem;49333193]I render a lot over nights, doesn't the Windows 10 ( version that it will update to) allow itself to update and restart whenever the hell it wants to? Am I screwed here?[/QUOTE]
You can actually disable the windows update service, its not forced in anyway.
However this thing is really fucking unstable sometimes. One big example was a game getting stuck and I could not ctrl+f4 or even use task manager on it because it completely broke my mouse it was an alt+tab mess, so had to use the windows button+x menu to restart the pc only by using the keyboard. Another example is Speccy64 on all windows 10 versions it will usually give you a blue screen out of nowere.
Fucking ridiculous both of these bugs are non existent in 7.
The only reason I upgraded was for directx 12 and xenia emulator (only works in windows 8/10)
W10 has given me so much trouble. Settings are confusing, cant search my system without os forcing me to open an Edge window with bing on it, touchpad doesn't work making my laptop a lot less mobile and some games like TIS100 don't even run. I would like to hang on to w7 on my desktop until a later date and I think it's really scummy to take the choice away from users who dont know better.
[QUOTE=gdfsgdfg;49344427]You can actually disable the windows update service, its not forced in anyway.
However this thing is really fucking unstable sometimes. One big example was a game getting stuck and I could not ctrl+f4 or even use task manager on it because it completely broke my mouse it was an alt+tab mess, so had to use the windows button+x menu to restart the pc only by using the keyboard. Another example is Speccy64 on all windows 10 versions it will usually give you a blue screen out of nowere.
Fucking ridiculous both of these bugs are non existent in 7.
The only reason I upgraded was for directx 12 and xenia emulator (only works in windows 8/10)[/QUOTE]
The irony is that I HAVE had that bug in Windows 7 (and it still happens in the newer versions). For some reason, some games completely take control of the screen and refuse to go to the background (GTA IV was guilty of this especially).
[editline]18th December 2015[/editline]
The craziest damn thing is that I have a 10 year old laptop with 10 and it operates perfectly. In fact, its more stable than 7 believe it or not. Then again that laptop ran Vista better than 7 so....:v:
My migration from 7/8 to 10 has been mostly flawless, other than minor driver issues (which is expected).
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;49344298]Same page and you missed it.[/QUOTE]
Still, people use Windows because it's simple. If they have to do all this shit just so it has basic functionality, they might as well be running Linux.
I work at a senior center as a tech tutor for the seniors. I recently had to make a workshop detailing what Windows 10 is, what's different compared to 8.1 or 7, the new apps, etc. and why people should upgrade.
The most common question was "how do I downgrade back to my old version of Windows?"
The people there had no reason to upgrade, used none of the new features like snap assist, virtual desktops, Cortana or modern apps, and the new interface was confusing to them. Most of their settings were messed up like their desktop icon arrangement, Internet Explorer being somewhat hidden, passwords not being auto-completed, various errors due to driver issues, and more. These are people that have zero computer expertise and don't know how to use command prompt, regedit, or how to hide updates, and some of them naively clicked on upgrade to 10. The shitty thing for a lot of them is [B]you only have one month to downgrade from Windows 10 back to 7/8.1[/B] and most of them had past that milestone, so I had to basically tell them tough shit. They all have devices from Dell, HP, etc. and don't have their recovery disks, and don't know how to use them if they did.
They go on the internet for their email and to read the news. That's it. They don't use the calendar, they don't use Groove music, they don't want to know how to use any of these things. They want things simple and consistent, and Windows 10 is a big unnecessary culture shock of sorts to them.
I tried to talk about all the great new features but halfway through I realized a lot of the new stuff is half baked. The photos app is subpar, VLC or Foobar is miles better than Groove music, Gmail on the web is much better than a built in mail app, Cortana is a gimmick that requires some concerning privacy offerings, I have no reason to use the Windows store, Edge is lacking (who gives a shit about annotating webpages anyways, it's a glorified snip/paint tool at best), and the speed improvements are minor.
Windows 10 really doesn't offer much for most people. The only reason I bothered updating was for game performance improvements and the snap assist stuff, literally 9/10s of Win 10 I don't even use. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and for most people upgrading to Windows 10 doesn't go smoothly and offers no real benefits for the hassle.
[QUOTE=SleepyAl;49348352]If it ain't broke, don't fix it[/QUOTE]
Funny enough, that's not how Microsoft's internals work
You get promotion by updating shit, even if it's already fine as is
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