[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49370149]-borderline insane rambling-[/QUOTE]
Private keys don't leak often. Usually dumped on a server with no direct internet connection, that menial technicians cannot access without authorisation from like five other guys or something. So a disgruntled lower-level employee isn't going to be able to leak these. Someone breaking in? Pretty unlikely to even come across these (most hackers don't get free reign of your network, just your databases and front facing servers if you're a total moron).
Believing that someone can break the P2P update system like that is literally paranoia. P2P is pretty locked down as far as tech goes. We've used it for shitloads of things that are possible attack vectors and it hasn't happened enough for us to just shut down the whole thing and cry to ourselves yet. MS are more competent that you're giving them credit for, they'd notice something like that going on, and make attempts to mitigate and rectify it asap.
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And fixing a leaked private key isn't super painful. Just replace it. That'll invalidate all the old updates if their system is implemented correctly (there's no reason for this, third party solutions that handle it perfectly exist).
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49370414]See this is why I'm not sure you even understand what's going on, you took the entire concept and then mixed in bits from the actually not-serious posts and made this mess.
Is there a risk from downloading a torrent for GTA5 that has a filesize of 30MB? Yes. There is.
Is there a risk from downloading an update from Microsoft? [I]Possibly?[/I] I mean I don't know, I can see how it could be compromised. I don't know if that's probable though.
Is there a risk from doing anything online? Yes.
Is downloading a torrent for a cracked game literally the exact same as downloading an update from a professional software company? Absolutely not.
Has Windows 10 had bugs? Yeah, I've experienced a huge one already.
Is this out of the ordinary for an OS release? Absolutely not. Everyone's forgotten what XP was like and that's one of the "good" versions that people talk about.
Is this whole thing hilarious? Well I'm laughing at everyone for getting so goddamn bent out of shape here.
As amusing as this is it's getting a little off-topic, but I'm more than willing to keep going "wow you are this mad about this okay" in PMs with you guys though.[/QUOTE]
I edited my post for clarity, you were probably replying while I was editing.
See? That "you're just mad" bullshit is just a way to dismiss the fact that you've got no idea what you're talking about and just super paranoid. It's like saying, "I'm not going to use Google because someone's gotta get fired from Google somewhere down the line and they might cause all e-mail that's sent to be infected with malware." I'm not mad, just a little weirded out at whatever you're trying to do or say here. "I'm not saying that Microsoft is gonna send out updates, but there's a slight chance that a bug might occur that might be exasperated by a disgruntled employee or something... but that slight chance is 100% and I'm PISSED." I still have no fucking clue what you're on about - there's so many legitimate reasons to look at Windows and complain and this is not one of them.
You can try to play it off as "silly banter" or "I'm just pretending to be retarded" but your persistence in trying to analyze a non-existent flaw with Windows is borderline conspiratorial.
Don't you think Microsoft has already thought about contingencies because they are a MAJOR OS producer of business? If I were them. I would not use one key to authenticate, but three separate processes
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;49370525]Don't you think Microsoft has already thought about contingencies because they are a MAJOR OS producer of business? If I were them. I would not use one key to authenticate, but three![/QUOTE]
Fuck it, deliver the updates via secure courier in biometric locked briefcases guarded by Gurkha. It's the only way to ensure nobody hijacks the network!
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49370534]Fuck it, deliver the updates via secure courier in biometric locked briefcases guarded by Gurkha. It's the only way to ensure nobody hijacks the network![/QUOTE]
We [I]need[/I] those updates to be secure! But then those updates also might have a >1% chance of becoming infected by a rogue Gurkha employee or Level 99 hacker! What do we do?!
[I]That's right, I'm a digital anti-vaxxer now, baby. Just like my computer tech idol JumpinJackFlash.[/I]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49370452]Private keys don't leak often. Usually dumped on a server with no direct internet connection, that menial technicians cannot access without authorisation from like five other guys or something.[/QUOTE]"often" "usually"
I'll address those words in a bit.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49370452]So a disgruntled lower-level employee isn't going to be able to leak these.[/QUOTE]Disgruntled high level employee? How about actual interfacing with the server directly? I mean people do [I][U]break[/U] [U]into[/U][/I] buildings from time to time, so unless Microsoft has a bunker somewhere out in the Rockies with armed guards your point that "oh this will never ever happen" doesn't matter. Not a big deal though, not really relevant given that...
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49370452]Believing that someone can break the P2P update system like that is literally paranoia. P2P is pretty locked down as far as tech goes.[/QUOTE]Yeah we've addressed that already. Nobody here actually believes that you can "hack P2P" or whatever you think is happening here. At least I hope not... Maybe somebody does, I'm not going to presume.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49370452]MS are more competent that you're giving them credit for, they'd notice something like that going on, and make attempts to mitigate and rectify it asap.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah, definitely, but I never said they were [I]incompetent[/I] at all. This is what you're not understanding, I do get how all of this works, I'm not some tinfoil hatter who thinks THUH GUVMENT is trying to hack my brain frequencies using alien Jew technology. Good job on trying to pigeonhole me as one of those types though.
Now let's get to why I [U]really[/U] don't use Windows 10: I don't like it.
Fucking deal with it. Seriously, fucking deal with the fact that I don't like Windows 10 because I really, really do not give a shit what you think about it because it isn't [U]your[/U] stuff. It's mine. You seem to be personally offended (like you [I]always[/I] are) that I'm doing something differently than you do. Aside from that I just... Well it doesn't [I]work[/I] for me, I'd absolutely never put that piece of shit operating system on anything secure but then again that really doesn't matter because the secure, secret data I have is on an airgapped machine that's only interfaced by physically moving the data stored from that box to one connected to the internet. What I don't like though is an operating system that randomly dumps a lot of data from [I]my[/I] system for whatever reason. Yeah it was most definitely a bug but two things alarmed me: one, the amount of data transferred, and two, the fact that I disabled such a thing from happening but the OS reverted my settings. That alone is not only irritating and frustrating but it is a [U]clear[/U] security risk that simply cannot be ignored. I get that Microsoft didn't deliberately try to get all my delicious data and that it was likely a software error but the intent doesn't matter and it never did.
Bottom line is there's a pretty significant hole in my security plan if I have Windows 10. Discussion about if the update system is secure or not really isn't relevant, I don't want anything that can just send shit whenever it damn well pleases even if the computer it's on isn't intended to be completely secure. These habits of being cautious and double-checking everything mean my shit (actually most of it isn't even mine, I don't even know what's there most of the time) is extra, extra safe because it's second-nature to me now.
... I suppose there is a little bit of schadenfreude here, I do enjoy keeping old and outdated stuff running (even my beloved 486 running Windows 3.1) because it bothers the snobby cunts out there.
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[QUOTE=wauterboi;49370490]there's so many legitimate reasons to look at Windows and complain and this is not one of them.
You can try to play it off as "silly banter" or "I'm just pretending to be retarded" but your persistence in trying to analyze a non-existent flaw with Windows is borderline conspiratorial.[/QUOTE]I really don't think that the P2P system is very insecure but it doesn't [I]feel[/I] to be very secure, which is the short and long of it. (I've said this already) It's just my spidey senses tingling when I think about it, maybe that's because it's ~innovative~ or maybe it's because of the mild security risks (and they really are mild) tickling my subconscious. I don't know. That's not even remotely my problem with Windows 10 though, and I addressed all that above.
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[QUOTE=wauterboi;49370581]We [I]need[/I] those updates to be secure! But then those updates also might have a >1% chance of becoming infected by a rogue Gurkha employee or Level 99 hacker! What do we do?!
[I]That's right, I'm a digital anti-vaxxer now, baby. Just like my computer tech idol JumpinJackFlash.[/I][/QUOTE]You laugh now but when we have cyborg Gurkhas you all will be FUCKED.
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Oh and tragically Windows 10 has a severe memory leak issue for me that hasn't been solved and likely won't ever be solved. So all those "wah wah I just don't feel comfortable" reasons aside, it physically fucking won't work.
I'm sure that bothers some people but I'm not going to actually buy a new computer just so I can use Windows 10. It really isn't that great.
i wonder if he realizes all his points are mute
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49370701]Now let's get to why I [U]really[/U] don't use Windows 10: I don't like it.[/QUOTE]
Never my problem at all. Unless you hate it for literally retarded reasons; such as those based on unfounded conspiracy theories or various other bits and pieces of FUD spread around. Then I'm just happy I have a reason to call someone on the Internet an idiot and mean it in my day.
The supposed massive file you saw Windows upload, was this shortly after install? Or after a crash or what? It hasn't done the same for any of the dozens of computers I've had the joy of fucking with to get it to work on, and no normal log file for Windows should reach GB sizes. Even a shitload of metadata about your and your PC shouldn't be that big, that's why we use metadata after all. Which makes me think it's likely some kind of dump from an installation problem that it recovered from or a general crash dump. Which kinda makes sense to upload as it's literally useless to you if it's system related, but helpful to stop the same shite happening to others if given to the developer. The settings reverting thing may well be a bug, that's possibly the only thing in that entire wall of text I've heard of similar things occurring after the Threshold updates rolled out. Pretty sure Threshold 1 did that to me.
The idea that Windows 10 is any less secure or some kind of security threat compared to earlier versions hasn't really been proven, and appears to have little real foundation. Much of the security from Windows 10 is in 7 and 8(.1) at this point, they're all somewhat equally insecure. No computing system connected to the Internet at all is going to be secure, but the new update system sure as shit isn't going to be the thing that does you in. Just have an up to date AV and you're fine unless you get super unlucky and get hit by a zero-day (the Windows Insider program should be helping to prevent these as dedicated end users are testing builds and updates before we even see them in Windows Update).
MS have really thought this through for once. The testing and vetting of new updates actually has a formal process that we, the community can get all up in and improve if we don't like how it's going currently. Something we really needed.
[quote]You seem to be personally offended (like you always are)[/quote]
Just imagine. image being this guy on the internet that you see everything your opposition posts as anger and frustration. I just post like an asshole, always have. it's not anger, it's top-tier posting lad, regular bants innit. And I like discussing things. So that means I get to discuss things like an asshole.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49371537]Never my problem at all. Unless you hate it for literally retarded reasons; such as those based on unfounded conspiracy theories or various other bits and pieces of FUD spread around.[/QUOTE]Until there's some [I]real[/I] evidence that any of that shit is true I'm going to be skeptical. Beyond the government pestering corporations to give them all sorts of info on their clients and customers, there really isn't any hard evidence that Microsoft is downloading the somewhat questionable data I may have hidden in the recesses of my hard drive if I maybe used this computer to transfer any of it. Whatever sexless marriage antics the government and corporations have going between them really isn't a big concern of mine other than "well it shouldn't happen" but that's another discussion for another day.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49371537]The supposed massive file you saw Windows upload, was this shortly after install? Or after a crash or what? It hasn't done the same for any of the dozens of computers I've had the joy of fucking with to get it to work on, and no normal log file for Windows should reach GB sizes.[/QUOTE]I've stated several times in many threads it was after an update that was supposedly impossible because updates were turned off. I had also disabled some other things that, surprise, had been turned back on. I mean aside from the nature of the actual upload (which is completely fucking unacceptable by itself, unless Microsoft wants to reimburse me for my internet bill) the whole thing even happening at all is enough to seal the deal for me, call it the straw that broke the camel's back but any new machine I have will not have a Windows OS.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49371537]The idea that Windows 10 is any less secure or some kind of security threat compared to earlier versions hasn't really been proven, and appears to have little real foundation. Much of the security from Windows 10 is in 7 and 8(.1) at this point, they're all somewhat equally insecure. No computing system connected to the Internet at all is going to be secure, but the new update system sure as shit isn't going to be the thing that does you in.[/QUOTE]I can at least neuter Windows 7 and Windows 8 of their ability to send data, Windows 10 has proven to be insurmountably tricky and annoying, and while I could probably figure out how to lock that shit down I just really don't want to fucking deal with an operating system that offers nothing for me. Either way you've reiterated a point I have already made: nothing is completely secure.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49371537]Just imagine. image being this guy on the internet that you see everything your opposition posts as anger and frustration. I just post like an asshole, always have. it's not anger, it's top-tier posting lad, regular bants innit. And I like discussing things. So that means I get to discuss things like an asshole.[/QUOTE]I don't see all opposing views as anger and frustration, quite often I like to imagine the people on the other side of the argument as confused. I have no problems with people who disagree with me and I'm quite fine with that, but all that aside I really just don't like [I]you[/I]. Maybe it was all the times you tried to act like you knew [I]anything[/I] about my country and tried to school me on things I actually live, or maybe it's your "top-tier" posting but no matter the reasoning I just don't like you at all. To your credit though, when I do come out and call your shit you do actually stop, and as rare as it is I actually enjoy discussing things in a civil manner with you.
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[QUOTE=wauterboi;49372612]This is getting really weird and strangely personal for someone that was trying to make it out that everyone else is mad.[/QUOTE]That part of my post was addressing the interaction between hexpunK and myself, so if that seemed personal to you well maybe it's because it is. That has nothing to do with anyone else though, just hexpunK and myself.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49372184]I don't see all opposing views as anger and frustration, quite often I like to imagine the people on the other side of the argument as confused. I have no problems with people who disagree with me and I'm quite fine with that, but all that aside I really just don't like [I]you[/I]. Maybe it was all the times you tried to act like you knew [I]anything[/I] about my country and tried to school me on things I actually live, or maybe it's your "top-tier" posting but no matter the reasoning I just don't like you at all. To your credit though, when I do come out and call your shit you do actually stop, and as rare as it is I actually enjoy discussing things in a civil manner with you.[/QUOTE]
This is getting really weird and strangely personal for someone that was trying to make it out that everyone else is mad.
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