• Father proves he's a LAD by luring a suspected paedophile to a field and beating him to death
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[QUOTE=archival;47293165]Just throwing this out there but im willing to bet pretty much everyone who says "oh yeah good job on killing him another scumbag gone from the earth" sort of shit would also argue that ISIS killing non Muslims is wrong. To them its the right thing to do and to them non Muslims are "the scum gone from the earth". You need to step back and consider that just because this persons doing something wrong doesn't mean that he should just be put to death, what gives someone the right to do that? Just because you believe in something doesn't mean you get a free pass to do whatever you want which is exactly why you would argue against what ISIS is doing, yet you would hypocritically argue that this was right. And before any of you tits says otherwise no, im not defending pedophiles, what they do negatively impacts the life of someone else who can't, at their age, do anything to prevent that so someone else has to do it for them. But you do it in a way that doesn't end up keeping a negative impact, ie - losing their father to the prison system. [editline]10th March 2015[/editline] Majority of states in america are minimum 10 years for rape from what I read?[/QUOTE] not so, there has to be extenuating circumstances in order to get the full possible ten years. kidnap, burglary, violence, etc. etc. like i said, the decade sentence is usually reserved for multiple repeat offenders or extremely violent cases. often times if the attacker is young (such as this would be pedophile), the minimum of 6 months will be given (and they will serve entirely in protective custody [for their own safety]) and they will be registered as a sex offender and released with a year long "re-education" or "rehabilitation" program mandated by courts this knowledge comes from being in jail myself (and talking to multiple people who have had encounters with such scum), studying laws/constitutional rights and now educating myself via criminal justice programs at my local community college (which has one of the best CJ programs in california [Golden West College]) clarification on defense attorney's statement My father was age 46 at time of arrest, never been to prison before, hadn't gone to jail in over a decade (too many speeding tickets, he likes fast motorcycles), has 3 children (me [22], my twin siblings who are age 9, a wife, and a decent profession making a considerable sum of money (he was employed at spacex) his defense attorney no joke pulled us aside after trial and said to due to his history and low offense rate, he would've gotten less time had he raped someone.
[QUOTE=archival;47293165]And before any of you tits says otherwise no, im not defending pedophiles, what they do negatively impacts the life of someone else who can't, at their age, do anything to prevent that so someone else has to do it for them. But you do it in a way that doesn't end up keeping a negative impact, ie - losing their father to the prison system.[/QUOTE] You're thinking of child molesters, though. Pedophiles aren't criminals unless they act on their urges.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47292928]What are you gonna do? Make another alt 'cause you aren't getting in on all the inside-Facepunch police XXX action? The scandal is bigger than you think, man. We're all in on it. (especially BDA)[/QUOTE] Dude, I'm new to this site man so I've no idea what you're talking about honestly.
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;47293225]Anybody who thinks it's justified to have somebody [B]beat[/B] to death over anything really needs to stop and think for a moment.[/QUOTE] john wayne gacy hitler stalin just to name a few, i'm sure i can come up with more even gandhi recognized the need for violent force sometimes
[QUOTE=_Axel;47293283]Pedophiles aren't criminals unless they act on their urges.[/QUOTE] Um, yes they are.
[QUOTE=Ulfric546;47293321]Um, yes they are.[/QUOTE] Then what crime have they committed exactly?
[QUOTE=_Axel;47293349]Then what crime have they committed exactly?[/QUOTE] Being a pedophile obviously? What you're saying there is nothing wrong for being a pedophile then?
[QUOTE=Ulfric546;47293391]Being a pedophile obviously? What you're saying there is nothing wrong for being a pedophile then?[/QUOTE] He's saying there is no such thing as thought crime, which is true
Generally being a pedophile is considered a crime due to the nature of pedophilia, if you kept it to yourself your entire life to the point that you never once expressed it in any action then you wouldn't be considered a pedophile by anyone but yourself, when I used the term im inciting that they've done something to warrant the title. [editline]10th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=SickJits;47293259]not so, there has to be extenuating circumstances in order to get the full possible ten years. kidnap, burglary, violence, etc. etc. like i said, the decade sentence is usually reserved for multiple repeat offenders or extremely violent cases. often times if the attacker is young (such as this would be pedophile), the minimum of 6 months will be given (and they will serve entirely in protective custody [for their own safety]) and they will be registered as a sex offender and released with a year long "re-education" or "rehabilitation" program mandated by courts this knowledge comes from being in jail myself (and talking to multiple people who have had encounters with such scum), studying laws/constitutional rights and now educating myself via criminal justice programs at my local community college (which has one of the best CJ programs in california [Golden West College]) clarification on defense attorney's statement My father was age 46 at time of arrest, never been to prison before, hadn't gone to jail in over a decade (too many speeding tickets, he likes fast motorcycles), has 3 children (me [22], my twin siblings who are age 9, a wife, and a decent profession making a considerable sum of money (he was employed at spacex) his defense attorney no joke pulled us aside after trial and said to due to his history and low offense rate, he would've gotten less time had he raped someone.[/QUOTE] the 10 years is the minimum, most states have 10-infinity as their possible terms with (from what ive read) a 5 year minimum parole time. Also if your going to press a point do it in an informative way, we dont need to know your entire fathers entire life story.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47293037]lmfao you're an absolute fool if you honestly believe that. The only thing you can get arrested for saying in the US is threats and inciting panic. On your side of the pond, hate speech and racism can get you convicted. You don't have freedom of speech bud, you live in a nanny state.[/QUOTE] I'll take a few racists getting in trouble with the law over the government and corporations being able to obtain and enforce gag-orders on private individuals.
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;47291094]Deserved it. Or do you lot think that "Re-educating" him would have been the better way? Lets be realistic here, if that was your kid you wouldn't be going "Oh he needs to learn not to touch little kids, time to educate him the right way!". I completely understand the father's anger.[/QUOTE] Yes murderers are awesome murder is cool and OK
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47292723]Actually, it completely does matter 100%. Brazilian murder conviction is 3-20 years, but has various stipulations: You're acting as if he intended on murdering the guy. From the evidence in the video, we can only draw the conclusion that he intended on beating the guy and humiliating him. We can also conclude that his emotions may have gotten the best of him, causing him to continue when he should have stopped. Even in the U.S., this would be considered involuntary manslaughter or heat of the moment instead of murder, and even the crappiest of lawyers could defend him from a murder charge. You need to do some research.[/QUOTE] [I]oh no officer i only wanted to beat him within an inch of his life, not murder him![/I] "alright buddy, case dismissed. good one for beating that pedo to death LOL!"
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;47291094]Deserved it. Or do you lot think that "Re-educating" him would have been the better way? Lets be realistic here, if that was your kid you wouldn't be going "Oh he needs to learn not to touch little kids, time to educate him the right way!". I completely understand the father's anger.[/QUOTE] if that happened to my kid, i would honestly try my hardest to get him arrested even if i did something similar to this guy, that is what they call being blinded by emotion they wouldn't let a judge decide the verdict on a case where their son was murdered, would they?
you know guys, i think you're overlooking something important the pedophile, in an alternate universe, would [I]maybe[/I] [I]probably[/I] have raped that dude's daughter if [I]she[/I] was the one who was planning to meet up with him for 3 months, instead of the father! that definitely justifies murder.
[QUOTE=archival;47293165]Just throwing this out there but im willing to bet pretty much everyone who says "oh yeah good job on killing him another scumbag gone from the earth" sort of shit would also argue that ISIS killing non Muslims is wrong. To them its the right thing to do and to them non Muslims are "the scum gone from the earth". You need to step back and consider that just because this persons doing something wrong doesn't mean that he should just be put to death, what gives someone the right to do that? Just because you believe in something doesn't mean you get a free pass to do whatever you want which is exactly why you would argue against what ISIS is doing, yet you would hypocritically argue that this was right. [/QUOTE] Hang on, what the hell, this makes no sense. ISIS kills non-muslims because they go against their beliefs, but the non-muslims did no harm to them except existing. Violence is not justified just because you *believe* the other person does you harm - that makes you a nutjob. On the other hand you have a case where the person does you (or someone close to you) actual, real, physical harm. It's more of a self-defense scenario rather than an attack first one. It's two completely different situations. Not taking any side here, just pointing out that there's no hypocrisy in what you pointed out. EDIT Rephrased everything.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;47293495]you know guys, i think you're overlooking something important the pedophile, in an alternate universe, would [I]maybe[/I] [I]probably[/I] have raped that dude's daughter if [I]she[/I] was the one who was planning to meet up with him for 3 months, instead of the father! that definitely justifies murder.[/QUOTE] No, it doesn't, because like it's been stated before, the father was AWARE of the pedophile, and PLANNED to MURDER said pedophile, instead of contacting the authorities or something more reasonable. You're justifying murder with what ifs.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;47293478][I]oh no officer i only wanted to beat him within an inch of his life, not murder him![/I] "alright buddy, case dismissed. good one for beating that pedo to death LOL!"[/QUOTE] Judging by your avatar do you fuck dogs or something? Because I am very worried that I think you're are going to molest some animal one day. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("gimmick" - OvB))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=LondierX;47293529]No, it doesn't, because like it's been stated before, the father was AWARE of the pedophile, and PLANNED to MURDER said pedophile, instead of contacting the authorities or something more reasonable. You're justifying murder with what ifs.[/QUOTE] i'm being facetious dude
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;47293478][I]oh no officer i only wanted to beat him within an inch of his life, not murder him![/I] "alright buddy, case dismissed. good one for beating that pedo to death LOL!"[/QUOTE] I never said the case would be dismissed or that there could be no charges. I simply stated the fact that intent DOES have a major bearing on what you can be found guilty of. If this were in the U.S., not intending to kill the person drops it automatically from first degree down to second degree or below. In this case, it would most likely be Voluntary Manslaughter, because he didn't intend to kill the man, and the circumstances could cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed. But that was a nice Straw Man zinger you got.... [editline]10th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=LondierX;47293529]No, it doesn't, because like it's been stated before, the father was AWARE of the pedophile, and PLANNED to MURDER said pedophile, instead of contacting the authorities or something more reasonable. You're justifying murder with what ifs.[/QUOTE] Where does the evidence show he planned to murder the guy? If you can show me, beyond the ahadow of a doubt, that he planned on taking that man's life before the beat down, I will secede my point.
[QUOTE=Ulfric546;47292867]Stop defending pedophiles and stop sucking the police cocks already I'm 100% serious boy.[/QUOTE] Okay, 1) how was I "defending" pedophiles? And 2) you seem to forget why police exist. Do you honestly need a fucking reminder? Do you really? The father could have just shown the police the pedophiles messages and then they could [B]arrest[/B] him, or do something about it. What did you expect, they'd kill him? We're not in the land of barbarians brother, there are other ways to deal with criminals. And your instant self-opinionated response is "FUCK THE POLICE". 9 posts on Facepunch and you're making yourself out to be... How do I put this? A bit of dick.
[QUOTE=deyoppe;47293520]On the other hand you have a case where the person does you (or someone close to you) actual, real, physical harm. It's more of a self-defense scenario rather than an attack first one. It's two completely different situations.[/QUOTE] That doesn't apply here though, since the pedophile wasn't in any capacity to harm his daughter, regardless of his intent, when the father lured him in the field. Self-defense is justified when it's either harming the perpetrator or be harmed/have another innocent harmed. In our scenario he had a choice between killing him and having him arrested. That's not self-defense at all.
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;47291094]Deserved it. Or do you lot think that "Re-educating" him would have been the better way? Lets be realistic here, if that was your kid you wouldn't be going "Oh he needs to learn not to touch little kids, time to educate him the right way!". I completely understand the father's anger.[/QUOTE] Well, yeah? Basically. "Re-education" still accomplishes protecting children, [I]and[/I] it doesn't end with a brutal murder. Why is that in any way less preferable?
[QUOTE=archival;47293410]Generally being a pedophile is considered a crime due to the nature of pedophilia, if you kept it to yourself your entire life to the point that you never once expressed it in any action then you wouldn't be considered a pedophile by anyone but yourself, when I used the term im inciting that they've done something to warrant the title.[/QUOTE] You could be considered a pedophile by others because of looking at drawn CP creepily sharing your fantasies in public, or simply say you're sexually attracted to children, and that still wouldn't be a crime.
If the father didn't do it the prison system would have.
[QUOTE=WilloTheWisp;47293406]He's saying there is no such thing as thought crime, which is true[/QUOTE] In the U.S. (Idk about Brazil's laws), this situation is not a thought crime. By sending nude/inappropriate photos and/or trying to meet up, that qualifies as "(online) solicitation of a minor", and is a sexual offense. My high school band director got arrested and charged for it my senior year.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47293888]In the U.S. (Idk about Brazil's laws), this situation is not a thought crime. By sending nude/inappropriate photos and/or trying to meet up, that qualifies as "(online) solicitation of a minor", and is a sexual offense. My high school band director got arrested and charged for it my senior year.[/QUOTE] Right, I forgot the guy sent nudes. I was more referring to pedophiles in general in response to archival's post though.
[QUOTE=FLIPPY;47293861]If the father didn't do it the prison system would have.[/QUOTE] And father wouldn't be on trial now and his kid wouldn't be fatherless.
[QUOTE=Mitsudigi;47291051]Wasn't aware it was even a swear word. Censorship these days..[/QUOTE] Says the one who censored it? [editline]10th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;47291119]Alright then, let's say you were the father. What would you have done? And be honest about it.[/QUOTE] Not have murdered the piece shit, how is he suppose to take protect and care for his daughter in prison?
It amazes me how, in threads like these, there are always some people who think murder is nice and OK. Having bad thoughts does not warrant a death sentence and should never. Thinking about molesting kids is not the same thing as doing it.
[QUOTE=deyoppe;47293520]Hang on, what the hell, this makes no sense. ISIS kills non-muslims because they go against their beliefs, but the non-muslims did no harm to them except existing. Violence is not justified just because you *believe* the other person does you harm - that makes you a nutjob. On the other hand you have a case where the person does you (or someone close to you) actual, real, physical harm. It's more of a self-defense scenario rather than an attack first one. It's two completely different situations. Not taking any side here, just pointing out that there's no hypocrisy in what you pointed out. EDIT Rephrased everything.[/QUOTE] There really is because to ISIS they are harming them by existing, thats entirely the point I was trying to make, the logic behind the decision making is what im getting at here. And even so, in this case there was no "real threat" to this guys daughter because the only reason this guy was in contact with 'the daughter' was because the father baited him in. He basically made the reason to kill him which is exactly the same as what ISIS do with non Muslims, find a reason.
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