Swedish citizen in Kenya arrested for trying to recruit men for the terrorist organisation Al Shabaa
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[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;44477503]Wow dude, I thought you were cool. You're just a dick instead.[/QUOTE]
Well if he is a dick then you just got fucked over.
[QUOTE=mchapra;44477457]Yes because all muslims are violent and malicious and the majority are certainly not migrating to escape the militant islamist shitholes they lived in.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]fucking immigrants [B]who belongs to militant religious (aka islam) groups[/B] should get their citizenship removed and kicked out of the country[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if he's saying that Islam is a violent religious group but with people who are terrorists it does make some sense. It just sets a bad precedent if the government is revoking citizenship because of people belonging to certain organizations.
[QUOTE=mchapra;44477457]Yes because all muslims are violent and malicious and the majority are certainly not migrating to escape the militant islamist shitholes they lived in.[/QUOTE]
i wasnt trying to say that all muslims should get kicked out, but those whom belong to terrorist groups should... its the result of my bad typing skills, i suppose.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;44477396]The only reason I reacted to that is because iirc Hellsten is oriented towards the far right. I might be wrong, but I think he's written a bunch of stuff about immigration to Sweden before.[/QUOTE]
Which is why it's ridiculous how readily so many people agree with the idea that you can live in a country, pay taxes, become part of its culture, even gain citizenship, but not [i]really[/i] ever be a member of that country. Everything about the article is saying that this guy was a Swede who happened to be of Somali ethnicity, and yet this thread is full of people agreeing with the Daily Mail-esque xenophobes.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;44477436]I'm obtuse yet only the swedish posters in this thread have the hardon for ethnicity.
I'm the one trying to make ethnicity not important here, not you.
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nice to see you agree with
"fucking muslims should get their citizenship removed and kicked out of the country"[/QUOTE]
I cant describe by words how dumb you are.
[QUOTE=freaka;44477933]I cant describe by words how dumb you are.[/QUOTE]
"I'm the one trying to make ethnicity not important here, not you."
This had me dying laughing.
[QUOTE=Grindigo;44477994]"I'm the one trying to make ethnicity not important here, not you."[/QUOTE]
'If he doesn't have a traditional Swedish ethnic ancestry he's not Swedish'
Yes clearly it was NoDachi making ethnicity out to be important by calling it out, right
what kind of backwards-ass logic is that
[QUOTE=LeonS;44477348]jesus christ are you being this fucking obtuse on purpose
[editline]7th April 2014[/editline]
hell im a fucking immigrant and i dont see myself as ethnically swedish but i am a swedish citizen so i am in all respects swedish
but not ethnically[/QUOTE]
So you're not an "actual Swede" then.
The main qualm I have with Hellsten's statement is the fact that by mentioning the guy's ethnicity, he was trying to make a point. He was trying to say "Look, this wouldn't have happened with a white ethnic Swede. It's the Muslims!"
[QUOTE=catbarf;44477823]Which is why it's ridiculous how readily so many people agree with the idea that you can live in a country, pay taxes, become part of its culture, even gain citizenship, but not [i]really[/i] ever be a member of that country. Everything about the article is saying that this guy was a Swede who happened to be of Somali ethnicity, and yet this thread is full of people agreeing with the Daily Mail-esque xenophobes.[/QUOTE]
See the thing is it's not really swedish culture to recruit members to al shabaab or other groups. I don't know why you assume everyone who immigrates become part of the culture. More often than not they move into some ghetto where 90 % are immigrants and the employment rate is really low.
[editline]7th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Explosions;44478114]So you're not an "actual Swede" then.
The main qualm I have with Hellsten's statement is the fact that by mentioning the guy's ethnicity, he was trying to make a point. He was trying to say "Look, this wouldn't have happened with a white ethnic Swede. It's the Muslims!"[/QUOTE]
Well, would it have happened with an ethnic swede? Id wager the amount of ethnic swedes to have done something like this is 0
[QUOTE=DooHoop;44478180]See the thing is it's not really swedish culture to recruit members to al shabaab or other groups. I don't know why you assume everyone who immigrates become part of the culture. [B]More often than not they move into some ghetto where 90 % are immigrants and the employment rate is really low.[/B]
[editline]7th April 2014[/editline]
Well, would it have happened with an ethnic swede? Id wager the amount of ethnic swedes to have done something like this is 0[/QUOTE]
this is the goverments fault
[QUOTE=W key broke;44475809]this thread is aweful what happened[/QUOTE]
I dunno I thought people were smart enough not to reply to NoDachi when he does shit like this
[QUOTE=NoDachi;44477260]but what if he was born in sweden?[/QUOTE]
Then he'd be a swede with somalian ancestry?
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;44478687]Then he'd be a swede with somalian ancestry?[/QUOTE]
so he's a swede then?
sorry i forget that people get butt mad that brown swedes exist
[QUOTE=Explosions;44478114]So you're not an "actual Swede" then.
The main qualm I have with Hellsten's statement is the fact that by mentioning the guy's ethnicity, he was trying to make a point. He was trying to say "Look, this wouldn't have happened with a white ethnic Swede. It's the Muslims!"[/QUOTE]
or alternatively he's saying that it wasn't like some swedish guy just upped and decided to go to kenya and recruit some terrorists
if you're going down the line of "you become X if you are a citizen of X" then what do you do with dual citizenships
hell how do you define someone as being 'Scottish' if you're defining it by citizenship
[QUOTE=NoDachi;44478777]so he's a swede then?
sorry i forget that people get butt mad that brown swedes exist[/QUOTE]
Oh god you never give up do you? You sir is a typical example of a human being that is being a blatant ignorant twat. People like you are the reason why humanity is falling apart. You REFUSE to take critism and refuse to reconsider your own opinion. Instead, you keep hitting the wall with the same shitty arguments over and over again.
A somalian born person CANNOT be a Swedish native. Same goes for afghans, turks, norwegians and so on. They are native from <X> but are living in <Y>.
A person that has 2 german parents and then moving to Japan is not considered a japanese native. They are however, still a citizen, but not a native.
"sorry i forget that people get butt mad that brown swedes exist"
No they don't get butthurt because they forgot that brown swedes exist, they get butthurt because you are so utterly fucking retarded.To me, it sounds like you are just trolling or being a farthead because you can. No brown swedes are not uncommon. Infact, there is probably thousands of swedes that are considered "black".
[QUOTE=NoDachi;44473518]please understand there is more to being a swede than ethnicity
[editline]7th April 2014[/editline]
Swede isn't an ethnicity.[/QUOTE]
There's a reason you can write down your ethnicity as anything other than british/irish on an application form. It's pretty damn relevant when applying for anything
[QUOTE=Explosions;44478114]So you're not an "actual Swede" then.
The main qualm I have with Hellsten's statement is the fact that by mentioning the guy's ethnicity, he was trying to make a point. He was trying to say "Look, this wouldn't have happened with a white ethnic Swede. It's the Muslims!"[/QUOTE]
In WWII Germany called ethnic Germans to go back to Germany and fight for them. At the same time a lot of ethnic Germans fought with the allies. You wouldn't expect to see an ethnic Frenchman or Englishman though go to fight for Germany. Does this comparison help?
Legally he's Swedish.
Even if he's Ethnic Somali, and not a native Swede, who gives a shit?
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