Cop shoots caretaker of autistic man playing in the street with toy truck - Polidicks

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50749446]After an investigation, monsiour "throw him in prison immediately" [editline]21st July 2016[/editline] Fuck no, a caller can confuse what's in a man's hand, but that does not deserve charges [editline]21st July 2016[/editline] I assume you will never call the police, because they are sooooo scary and ebil Enjoy nobody comming to help you if you dont call those evil policemen[/QUOTE] Cops can actually be a fantastic way to worsen situations that could've ended in no bloodshed, so yes, I would be wary about calling the police, espcially if you're not white-looking.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;50749804]He shouldn't be a cop because he thinks the guy shouldn't be tried in the court of public opinion? Because his (probably much more well informed ) opinions on use of force situations differs from your views? That's a stretch. I don't see many ways this could be explained myself, but the only video we see is the before and after. That's not much to go on, at all. You're totally damning some guy based on very incomplete video and insinuating that anyone who disagrees- hell, not even disagrees, someone who wants to wait for actual evidence to come out- is some jackboot thug with a murderboner. Are you sure you're not, uh, "part the problem" ?[/QUOTE] nah he shouldn't be a cop because his response to "why did you shoot me?" from an unarmed man laying on the ground is "idk lol fuck off" [QUOTE=Code3Response;50747794] Theres literally no credible information out about the shooting and you're already jumping to knee-jerk posts. Classic. Everyone is going to get hung on "I dont know" which on the surface looks like shit, but maybe the officer gave a blanket answer because they dont have to tell that person anything. They could have told them to pound sand and you would be mad.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Code3Response;50747836]Very well could be. I dont know. No one knows. Maybe theres more they know than we do. I would probably say "I dont know" as well if some rando asked me why I shot while I have about 10000 other things to worry about at that moment[/QUOTE] you would think after discharging your service weapon it'd be pretty high up on the list of things to give a shit about, but maybe thinking about what to eat for lunch and whether he remembered to water his plants for the day is more important to him?

Alright, as someone who's outside looking in I have questions to ask. Why are these types of shootings, and violent shootings in general, so common in the United States? What makes it different than other Western democracies? I'm going to admit I'm already biased because I live in a country where our main police force is generally unarmed and people generally don't own guns and if they do they use them for hunting, but things like this just don't seem to happen over here. What makes America so different? Because frankly it's quite frightening.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;50751182]Alright, as someone who's outside looking in I have questions to ask. Why are these types of shootings, and violent shootings in general, so common in the United States? What makes it different than other Western democracies? I'm going to admit I'm already biased because I live in a country where our main police force is generally unarmed and people generally don't own guns and if they do they use them for hunting, but things like this just don't seem to happen over here. What makes America so different? Because frankly it's quite frightening.[/QUOTE] To put it simply, it's the abundance of guns.

[QUOTE=axelord157;50751045]Cops can actually be a fantastic way to worsen situations that could've ended in no bloodshed, so yes, I would be wary about calling the police, [/QUOTE] You got some sources on that. [QUOTE=axelord157;50751045]espcially if you're not white-looking.[/QUOTE] Eh, bro, really now?

On one hand that cop is sooooooo fucked. On the other, fuck that caller who told 911 that he might have a gun. If they had watched the two longer instead of grabbing their phone then maybe they could have noticed that there was no cause for concern. The cops should have been able to realize that there was nothing sinister or threatening going on and could have used words instead of a bullet. These things aren't helping anyone.

Lots of guns, an awful prison system, the stigmatizing of mental illness and lack of accessible health care to people who need treatment. Idk there are a lot of things that it's hard to pin it on just one thing. America is a melting pot of poor governmental and state decisions and terrible policy making. What we see now is a result of that.

There isn't one reason. It's a combination of many reasons. Poverty is a big reason.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;50747836]Very well could be. I dont know. No one knows. Maybe theres more they know than we do. I would probably say "I dont know" as well if some rando asked me why I shot while I have about 10000 other things to worry about at that moment[/QUOTE] It's not "some rando" who's asking, it's the guy you just shot...

[QUOTE=Code3Response;50747794]This is a shitpost. Theres literally no credible information out about the shooting and you're already jumping to knee-jerk posts. Classic. Everyone is going to get hung on "I dont know" which on the surface looks like shit, but maybe the officer gave a blanket answer because they dont have to tell that person anything. They could have told them to pound sand and you would be mad.[/QUOTE] I have to agree, despite my head still spinning at the thought of someone with a gun saying "I don't know" after firing his gun. How the heck did the 911 call interpret "Caretaker with an autistic person" from "Suicidal man with a gun?"

i'm not trying to start a shitstorm but is it super easy to become a cop in the u.s.? because if someone responds with idk upon shooting someone then that person possibly fluked their way in

[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;50753771]i'm not trying to start a shitstorm but is it super easy to become a cop in the u.s.? because if someone responds with idk upon shooting someone then that person possibly fluked their way in[/QUOTE] it's actually harder than ever to become a cop now, before you didn't really need anything but a certification from a course at a police academy but now most departments require a degree in criminal justice

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50749476]The american police force needs to be privatized. I believe that is the only way to fix this issue. Make ALL of the police reapply for privatized officer positions run my companies that have competition. (no quota competition, public satisfactory competition)[/QUOTE] Police is one of few things that don't need to be and shouldn't be privatized. What you are describing there my good friend is Fascism in the literal sense.

Play deus ex human revolution to see why it's a bad idea, iirc there were pmc's as cops in the Hong Kong areas, and they outline how abusable that is I think [editline]22nd July 2016[/editline] [sp]"Belltower"[/sp] I think was the company if you wanna just wikia it

[QUOTE=evilweazel;50747809]Cops need a bigger budget, higher pay for officers would manage to keep good cops on the force and not chasing off better ventures. More officers on the beat gives you time to have others rotating through training refreshers and the like. However... A complete restructuring, retraining, and temporary shut down of every department isn't going to happen because it is incredibly unfeasible, especially for something that isn't anywhere near as large of an issue as it's made out to be. They can feel whatever they want, however that doesn't mean the system has to accommodate their feelings, nor are their feelings accurate. The statistics are there that they aren't being gunned down in the streets at some massive rate for being black, like the big groups are spinning it as.[/QUOTE] Dude, the cops are already extremely militaristic, they don't need a bigger budget.

[QUOTE=space1;50754553]Dude, the cops are already extremely militaristic, they don't need a bigger budget.[/QUOTE] They are militaristic for shootings and terrorism, and if some departments use old as he'll computers from the 90s, they need some more funding

Still no statement from the police?

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50754579]They are militaristic for shootings and terrorism, and if some departments use old as he'll computers from the 90s, they need some more funding[/QUOTE] to be fair the reason they don't update those computers is because the software is old as fuck. it's not so easy to gut out the old system to replace it

Don't worry everybody, it's okay! They were trying to kill the mentally disabled man, not his caretaker, because he didn't obey their orders to get on the ground (because he is mentally disabled). [url]http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article91160077.html[/url] Get these officers off the streets.

Wait the cop fired three bullets and missed a fairly stationary target? If the shooter is the guy I think it is on the video then how is that possible? Was he trying to fire warning shots around him? Even if that's the case that's a terrible idea since there's a civilian right next to who he was aiming at, they're in a residential area, and they're next to a power grid. [editline]22nd July 2016[/editline] There's one part that I could argue made it look like the mentally disabled guy held up the truck and sort of stared down the length of it, which [i]could[/i] look like his aiming down the sights or something (0:38), but considering there looks to be at least three cops there in a semi circle its hard to imagine none of them noticing that its not a gun.

[quote]Earlier Thursday, North Miami Police Chief Gary Eugene spoke briefly for the first time, but said little other than that no weapon had been found[/quote] [quote]On Monday, a North Miami police officer shot Kinsey, 47, after, police said, mistakenly believing that Kinsey was going to be killed by the 23-year-old autistic man playing with a toy truck who was sitting on the ground next to him. Rivera said the officer feared the autistic man had a weapon.[/quote] [quote]they found the man sitting on the ground with his truck and Kinsey, who was trying to coax the man back inside the nearby mental health center, MacTown Panther Group Home.[/quote] [quote]When police barked orders for the two to lie down with their hands up, Kinsey complied. “Mr. Kinsey did everything right,” Rivera said.[/quote] [quote]The autistic man ignored the orders of police yelling for the men to lie down. Some of the officers were behind poles on the street. Others were behind their patrol vehicles.[/quote] [quote]Then, while Kinsey was lying supine with his hands in the air and the autistic man sat beside him, an officer fired three rounds from an assault rifle, according to North Miami police. One bullet found a target — Kinsey.[/quote] [quote]According to a law-enforcement source, the officer who shot Kinsey was taking cover behind a squad car and fired from at least 50 yards away. He shot after another officer, in a radio transmission, suggested the autistic man was loading his weapon, which turned out to be the toy truck[/quote] [quote]Kinsey said he repeatedly told police while he was lying on the ground that there was no weapon and not to shoot. Rivera said North Miami police couldn’t hear his cries. The union president didn’t know how far the police were from Kinsey.[/quote] [quote]On Wednesday, only two days after the shooting, Napoleon said he was already in settlement discussions with North Miami’s manager.[/quote] Here's the story in a nutshell: Officers get a call about a "suicidal man with a gun," arrive and find somebody trying to coax a mentally disabled person playing with a toy truck back to the nearby mental home. Nobody verifies the situation. The police start barking orders, telling everybody to get on the ground. The caretaker does, but the mentally disabled person does not. Because he is mentally disabled. Nobody verifies the situation. The caretaker repeatedly screams out that there is no gun, that the man is mentally disabled. Nobody verifies the situation. An officers fires three rounds at the mentally disabled person, intending to kill him (because nobody verified the situation). The rounds miss, because the officer did not have a clean shot, and instead hit the fucking person he was "saving," who was directly in the line of fire. Because not one person [I]verified the situation.[/I] This was a massive fuck-up, and every officer involved needs to be severely disciplined for this shit. At the end of the day, the only thing to be grateful of is that these officers failed to actually kill anybody. Had they actually killed the disabled man, as they were attempting, this would have been a whole hell of a lot worse.

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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50754765]Had they actually killed the disabled man, as they were attempting, this would have been a whole hell of a lot worse.[/QUOTE] I'd fucking love to see what Trump would say about it, considering he's mocked people with mental disabilities before. That's simply terrifying by the way. I have a sister with autism and to see that the [I]police's[/I] understanding of disabilities is clearly compromised in the States indicates to me I don't want to go over there any time soon.

That's pretty infuriating tbh. Hard to see any valid excuses for this one. Autism is so common, too. I can definitely foresee a lot of parents with autistic kids starting to be on edge if their behavior is so foreign to police that they feel it necessary to use lethal force.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;50754883]I'd fucking love to see what Trump would say about it, considering he's mocked people with mental disabilities before. That's simply terrifying by the way. I have a sister with autism and to see that the [I]police's[/I] understanding of disabilities is clearly compromised in the States indicates to me I don't want to go over there any time soon.[/QUOTE] It's a bad situation, but phrasing it like police have an open season declared on autistic people is a bit silly and sorta paranoid.

Can't wait to read Code3Response inane response to this. This is fucking disgusting.

This is up there in one of the worst excuses ever. Maybe they would have a case that they were trying to shoot the guy with Autism( that in itself would be stupid, but that's not what we are discussing) if it wasn't for the fact that after the shooting they ran over and only handcuffed the black man who was shot. Definitely not racist what a joke, guy should go to prison for life and anyone covering this up should be held responsible.

[QUOTE=Pascall;50755017]That's pretty infuriating tbh. Hard to see any valid excuses for this one. Autism is so common, too. I can definitely foresee a lot of parents with autistic kids starting to be on edge if their behavior is so foreign to police that they feel it necessary to use lethal force.[/QUOTE] :v: They weren't shooting the guy because he was autistic, they got called to the scene by someone saying that a man was acting erratic with a gun, and had to respond like the guy had one until they knew otherwise. Once they saw the guy and his caretaker, they should have put it together that he probably was not a threat, like BDA said. Then again, I can't think of a way this situation ends without making headlines that doesn't involve the officers completely ignoring protocol for a gun call. [editline]22nd July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=ZachPL;50755668]This is up there in one of the worst excuses ever. Maybe they would have a case that they were trying to shoot the guy with Autism( that in itself would be stupid, but that's not what we are discussing) if it wasn't for the fact that after the shooting they ran over and only handcuffed the black man who was shot. Definitely not racist what a joke, guy should go to prison for life and anyone covering this up should be held responsible.[/QUOTE] Lmao. Prison for life over this? That's sensible. And I'm pretty sure the video in the OP showed him handcuffing the autistic guy. Either way, it's reasonable to be out raged over this, but its unacceptable to make the accusations of them shooting for the caretaker.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;50755675]:v: They weren't shooting the guy because he was autistic, they got called to the scene by someone saying that a man was acting erratic with a gun, and had to respond like the guy had one until they knew otherwise. Once they saw the guy and his caretaker, they should have put it together that he probably was not a threat, like BDA said. Then again, I can't think of a way this situation ends without making headlines that doesn't involve the officers completely ignoring protocol for a gun call.[/QUOTE] I know, but the behavior of autistic individuals is often out of the norm for regular people to experience and deal with. But "regular people" should not include police who must be trained to interact with people of all mental capacities. Not just neurotypical individuals.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50749948]The guy who called 9-1-1, again, reported that he had a gun.[/QUOTE] Yeah, what's up with that, lying to 911 is a federal offense has anyone started investigating the 911 caller yet