Romney: We Should Raise the Minimum Wage - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44768245]Besides, it seems the only way to win the election these days, is to be as liberal as you can be. [/QUOTE] this is not true at all

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;44768024]I think Obama is a fucking retard, along with Romney. I hate Liberal and Conservative media, and I vote third party. I'm against raising minimum wage, as it hurts business, and knowing small business owners, I know how bad it hurts them. It might not hurt Walmart, but it will hurt that small mom and pa shop down the road.[/QUOTE] Voting third party hurts you, unless you hate both parties equally.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;44768271]this is not true at all[/QUOTE] Well advocating for the hard core right isn't gonna win you much favors these days, that's for certain.

do some people here really think minimum wage shouldn't change with inflation?

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44768299]Well advocating for the hard core right isn't gonna win you much favors these days, that's for certain.[/QUOTE] while this is true, for your previous statement to be true we would be seeing a lot more socialist candidates and government officials. as far as i know, there is only one socialist in office in the US

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;44768284]Voting third party hurts you, unless you hate both parties equally.[/QUOTE] Why would I vote for one of two parties that give no shit about anything else but their own special interests? Voting for the lesser of two evils hurts you, not voting third party. I'd rather vote for a candidate I like who promises real change, then some talking head who could care less about you.

Vote for the cutest candidate because if he sucks then at least he's nice to look at.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44768318]do some people here really think minimum wage shouldn't change with inflation?[/QUOTE] I never said anything like this, if you mean me when you say some people. I said that unemployment will go up with minimum wage increase, which I guess was wrong according to that study. But regardless of that, I said that businesses will adapt to minimum wage increases in some way, which is what that study pretty much backed.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;44768388]Why would I vote for one of two parties that give no shit about anything else but their own special interests? Voting for the lesser of two evils hurts you, not voting third party. I'd rather vote for a candidate I like who promises real change, then some talking head who could care less about you.[/QUOTE] Voting third party hurts you worse than voting for the lesser of two evils because it makes it more likely for the greater of two evils to win, and not any more likely for third party to win because third party never wins.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;44768388]Why would I vote for one of two parties that give no shit about anything else but their own special interests? Voting for the lesser of two evils hurts you, not voting third party. I'd rather vote for a candidate I like who promises real change, then some talking head who could care less about you.[/QUOTE] How can you be sure the third party isn't going to pander to the same special interests once they are actually in power? Due to how the US government seems to work, these special interest groups have a shit ton more power than they really should. Even a third party is bound to fall to them unless they manage to get some radical reform through house and senate (which are dominated by the major parties). The minimum wage is supposed to be adjusted for inflation, something that it seems hasn't really been happening in the US for some reason. If a business actually fails because it has to start paying the employees a decent wage [B]and[/B] not change their hours (because that's not fair) due to the increase, the business wasn't really viable in that state. The extra buying power the increase gives the population should more than offset any possible damage done to businesses. The main issue comes from people not spending the extra as they would normally and hoarding instead.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;44767871] "at the expense of other people" Oh I'm sorry old white guy ceo I didn't know you needed your money so badly you couldn't pay me a living wage, it's okay though! Keep it man! The rich stand on the shoulders of society, they owe a debt just like everyone else.[/QUOTE] the point i was trying to make is that for some reason when liberals bribe you with goodies and free stuff it's awesome but as soon as republican starts doing it the first reaction is "he's just trying to get reelected!" im not here to argue in favor or against minimum wage, was just pointing out the hypocrisy

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;44768472]Voting third party hurts you worse than voting for the lesser of two evils because it makes it more likely for the greater of two evils to win, and not any more likely for third party to win because third party never wins.[/QUOTE] I thought the whole point of voting was to vote for who YOU wanted, not for the shiniest of two turds?

Wow, Romney's flip-flopping around again? Maybe he's hoping to get elected in 2 years. I really don't want to see what he does once he's in power. IF he's in power. But then again, this country is already screwed no matter who gets elected.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;44771496]I thought the whole point of voting was to vote for who YOU wanted, not for the shiniest of two turds?[/QUOTE] Not in the American "first past the post" voting system. It's either vote for the shiniest of two turds or throw your vote away. It sucks, but that's the reality right now any will always be the reality until the system changes, and no amount of idealism will change that.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;44768024]I think Obama is a fucking retard, along with Romney. I hate Liberal and Conservative media, and I vote third party. I'm against raising minimum wage, as it hurts business, and knowing small business owners, I know how bad it hurts them. It might not hurt Walmart, but it will hurt that small mom and pa shop down the road.[/QUOTE] Oh somebody please think of the business men! The poor poor middle class businessmen

[QUOTE=RichyZ;44773438]small businesses are the largest source of jobs in america though[/QUOTE] Yeah but jobs aren't much good if they aren't paying people enough to be worth while.

[QUOTE=Vipes;44766934]Would raising minimum wage really solve anything? Think for a bit. It sounds good yes, but the effect won't last for long. Prices and everything would adjust, and pretty soon it'd be as if it wasn't raised at all. Feel free to rate me dumb, but just think about it for a second.[/QUOTE] how do people still believe this in 2014?

[QUOTE=bliptec;44765816]Yay for common sense. It's been repeatedly shown that increasing the minimum wage not only improves people's standards of living, but also helps the economy as a whole. There's really no reason not to raise the minimum wage.[/QUOTE] What if we raised the minimum wage to 10 million an hours everybody woudl be RICH!

[QUOTE=Alonguy;44772420]Wow, Romney's flip-flopping around again? Maybe he's hoping to get elected in 2 years. I really don't want to see what he does once he's in power. IF he's in power. But then again, this country is already screwed no matter who gets elected.[/QUOTE] It's not fair to call this flip-flopping. Romney has returned to what he actually believes politically. He supported raising the minimum wage prior to running for office.

For a long time I've been of the opinion that in order to at least maintain (if not improve) quality of life, a country's minimum wage and welfare/pension programs have to adjust to inflation. Otherwise, the gap between the richest and the median will only ever get bigger. America's minimum wages are all over the place. You guys should get some reform in or something.

The biggest reason why mom and pop businesses are failing to chains is partially because the lack of money in peoples pockets. They have to make every dollar count so they buy More stuff from chains. If we raised minimum wage sure it'd impact them at first but in the long term they would benefit

Good job, dumbass. Now all the democrats who thought that there was sense in maybe possibly raising it just switch sides entirely :v: Not that I care anyway, this nation's fucked.

[QUOTE=gk99;44777107]Good job, dumbass. Now all the democrats who thought that there was sense in maybe possibly raising it just switch sides entirely :v: Not that I care anyway, this nation's fucked.[/QUOTE] Actually I'm fairly certain Romney was a fairly liberal republican for quite a while, it's just that he had to pretend to be more right wing to get the presidency bid (which unfortunately backfired, though maybe this is a good enough of a shake-up to fix the GOP)

Honestly Mitt Romney is pretty much a victim of the bipartisan politics that fuck this country. We need more moderates who don't need to force themselves to be someone who they aren't. People joke about flip flopping and shit but really there's nothing you can do unless you have been going at issues the same way since the very moment you become a public figure. He may be really "businessman like" but perhaps we need a little of that to get things up and running again. Too bad a lot of people just dismiss republicans and even moderates as racist hate mongering poor-bashing assholes.

[QUOTE=Glitchman;44777192]Honestly Mitt Romney is pretty much a victim of the bipartisan politics that fuck this country. We need more moderates who don't need to force themselves to be someone who they aren't. People joke about flip flopping and shit but really there's nothing you can do unless you have been going at issues the same way since the very moment you become a public figure. He may be really "businessman like" but perhaps we need a little of that to get things up and running again. Too bad a lot of people just dismiss republicans and even moderates as racist hate mongering poor-bashing assholes.[/QUOTE] I have a feeling once the baby boomer generation and older dies off or are too senile to vote, we will see a glimmer of good things to come. It's just a feeling though.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;44768024]I think Obama is a fucking retard, along with Romney. I hate Liberal and Conservative media, and I vote third party. I'm against raising minimum wage, as it hurts business, and knowing small business owners, I know how bad it hurts them. It might not hurt Walmart, but it will hurt that small mom and pa shop down the road.[/QUOTE] Are you implying that there's a "ma and pa" shop down the road from Walmart? How could this be possible? Walmart must [I]really[/I] be slipping.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;44773066]Not in the American "first past the post" voting system. It's either vote for the shiniest of two turds or throw your vote away. It sucks, but that's the reality right now any will always be the reality until the system changes, and no amount of idealism will change that.[/QUOTE] To elaborate for those who don't know, this is called the "spoiler effect." This, and other shortcomings, are described in this video. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo[/media] CGP Grey is really informative with this stuff. If you're interested in a solution, his [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE"]"The alternate vote explained"[/URL] video provides an alternative, and his channel describes other things that a lot of voters may not be aware about, such as gerrymandering, problems with the electoral college, and other stuff.

[QUOTE=Kentz;44770811]the point i was trying to make is that for some reason when liberals bribe you with goodies and free stuff it's awesome but as soon as republican starts doing it the first reaction is "he's just trying to get reelected!" im not here to argue in favor or against minimum wage, was just pointing out the hypocrisy[/QUOTE] What about the Bush tax breaks? I knew a few people who voted for him solely because he promised to cut taxes. [editline]10th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;44776263]The biggest reason why mom and pop businesses are failing to chains is partially because the lack of money in peoples pockets. They have to make every dollar count so they buy More stuff from chains. If we raised minimum wage sure it'd impact them at first but in the long term they would benefit[/QUOTE] This is extremely true. There are plenty of "mom and pop" stores around where I love, yet a lot of people are rather poor here too, and they're willing to drive all the way to the city (23 miles away) to shop because it's still cheaper than to shop local. The biggest non-chain market here went out of business a few months after Walmart moved in 6 miles away. If anything, it's the corporations they're defending that hurt small business more than anything else.

When I was a young lad of sixteen, my father explained the negative aspects of raising minimum wage. Imagine for a moment that you are a freshmen in High School, attempting to obtain a job for some extra dosh. A small business is like "Well we'd pay you five bucks an hour to sweep the floors." Although it wouldn't be hard for the owner to do it himself, it does not hurt his income to hire you. But with a higher minimum wage, the owner would be far less likely to hire someone as they would have to be paid far more for a me menial task. This is the problem with raising minimum wage.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;44778990]except raising the minimum wage encourages consumer spending which raises the overall standard of living and allows for more jobs that actually provide a living wage to exist[/QUOTE] That is actually a very good point, I must now consider the ramifications of my prior hatred of the minimum wage increase.