Most Britons believe video games are not art - even regular gamers and young people
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[QUOTE=Token Indian;44290823]Our priorities are beyond fucked. Here we are worried about what's art when in reality we can't even figure out a clear and agreeable definition of it.[/QUOTE]
Maybe cause art is entirely subjective from person to person?
Art is a meaningless term for petty people
how can a video game not be considered art
idc about the experience the entire thing is artistic content
yknow the models and shit that you go to
3d art school for
anything that has been created is art
if you take a shit you've created art
anything from there is art
I think a perfect example is that more people would think
This
[t]https://touchofmodern.insnw.net/products/000/012/881/f36549483d2a9865c2694f5c4a37d9ca_large.jpg?1392332505[/t]
is art more than
This
[t]http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ea/c2/31/eac2317ad87630be24718a32dfd33fff.jpg[/t]
Even though you can stick your dick in both
[QUOTE=Mr.Moustachio;44291052]I think a perfect example is that more people would think
This
[t]https://touchofmodern.insnw.net/products/000/012/881/f36549483d2a9865c2694f5c4a37d9ca_large.jpg?1392332505[/t]
is art more than
This
[t]http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ea/c2/31/eac2317ad87630be24718a32dfd33fff.jpg[/t]
Even though you can stick your dick in both[/QUOTE]
im not sure if id want to or not want to meet someone who can stick their dick in a coke bottle
[QUOTE=AlienFanatic;44291449]im not sure if id want to or not want to meet someone who can stick their dick in a coke bottle[/QUOTE]
all ya gotta do is wait 'til you're flaccid and just sort of push it in with your thumb
easy peasy
It all depends on the game, counter-strike is as much art as football is. A video game can be art, but not all video games are art.
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44291480]all ya gotta do is wait 'til you're flaccid and just sort of push it in with your thumb
easy peasy[/QUOTE]
But what if you got a boner midway. That would suck
Art has become such a subjective term that it is almost an entirely pointless label. You could argue that a tax return form is art if you stuck it in a frame and claimed it was a social critique. I think video games definitely count as art but I also think its a pretty redundant statement since practically anything can be art.
video games wont be considered art until someone actually produces something that only a videogame can produce that's meaningful and has an artistic value. most games people consider art like bioshock infinite fall short because it's entire design owes its existence to the fact a big publisher wanted to make money. thats why its a first person shooter delivering messages that don't really really belong in a first person shooter. then you have games like gone home that, pretentious or not, miss the point of being an artistic video game by not taking advantage of being a video game at all, IE its story could be told just as well in any other medium. so far one of the only games i can think of having meaningful artistic value that takes advantage of its medium is the stanley parable
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;44291590]video games wont be considered art until someone actually produces something that only a videogame can produce that's meaningful and has an artistic value. most games people consider art like bioshock infinite fall short because it's entire design owes its existence to the fact a big publisher wanted to make money. thats why its a first person shooter delivering messages that don't really really belong in a first person shooter. then you have games like gone home that, pretentious or not, miss the point of being an artistic video game by not taking advantage of being a video game at all, IE its story could be told just as well in any other medium. so far one of the only games i can think of having meaningful artistic value that takes advantage of its medium is the stanley parable[/QUOTE]
you forgot journey
[QUOTE=Mr.Moustachio;44291052]I think a perfect example is that more people would think
This
[t]https://touchofmodern.insnw.net/products/000/012/881/f36549483d2a9865c2694f5c4a37d9ca_large.jpg?1392332505[/t]
is art more than
This
[t]http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ea/c2/31/eac2317ad87630be24718a32dfd33fff.jpg[/t]
Even though you can stick your dick in both[/QUOTE]
I debated getting one of those tenga polygons but I know too many people who'd see right through it. Just imagine someone grabbing it and asking why it's so squishy.
[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;44291529]But what if you got a boner midway. That would suck[/QUOTE]
You could say that about loads of scenarios; "It'd suck if I got a boner whilst lowering my grandmother's coffin into the ground", "it'd really suck if I got a boner whilst picking up my kids from school", etc
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44291643]you forgot journey[/QUOTE]
its a game i havent played myself but you're right that i forgot to mention it
[QUOTE=squids_eye;44291539]Art has become such a subjective term that it is almost an entirely pointless label. You could argue that a tax return form is art if you stuck it in a frame and claimed it was a social critique. I think video games definitely count as art but I also think its a pretty redundant statement since practically anything can be art.[/QUOTE]
The fact that threads like this exist with people going back and forth saying "x is art" and "x is not art" without ever giving a solid reason as to why their view is correct proves just how meaningless the world "art" truly is.
Painting, drawings, sculpture, film, music, video games, those are all creative mediums. "Art" is not a medium. As a word, the only real purpose it has is to give armchair historians something to fight over on the internet for hours upon hours.
Anyone familiar with the video game production pipeline would beg to differ. We have programs such as ZBrush which is literally digital sculpting, and this program is used in a lot of games. This isn't even mentioning painting textures.
Michaelanglo would have made his sculpture of David in Maya if he had it back then.
Artists work with the tools of their time. Just because some dude was limited to using oil paints back in the day doesn't mean oil painting is somehow more valid as art than what someone can do on an iPad. Just because Shakespeare had to tell his stories in a theater doesn't mean his stories are more art than someone telling a story through a videogame.
Thing about this is that it combines ages for the first graph, and doesn't go into specifics. "film" and "games" encompasses a lot of things. You could call both art because a part of em is stuff like Telltale's games or narrative-heavy movies, or both not art because a part of em is yearly modern shooters like Battlefield or Call of Duty and Transformers or Fast and Furious movies.
Most people tend to see things as "art" when they are of high quality. That's why many people go "wtf is this crap" when they see paintings like this:
[IMG]http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/assets/images/images/Pollock_1_Number31-smaller.jpg[/IMG]
I think the same happens with games. The majority sees games as a stupid meaningless passtime.
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[IMG]http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/assets/images/images/Pollock_1_Number31-smaller.jpg[/IMG]
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I'll never understand why that piece gets so much hate. I feel like it's just an easy target, Pollock is ever given enough credit for the amount of work and detail he put into his paintings.
it's ridiculous that people try and make the word "art" synonymous with "things that I like".
is that hard for people to not like something while still recognizing it for what it is?
[QUOTE=TestECull;44289538]Honestly, for me, to call something art is to acknowledge that it has no practical purpose, that its sole reason to exist in the world is to look pretty.
Video games do so much more than that.[/QUOTE]
You've posted this in other threads and it's still the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say about the definition of "art". And people say some pretty dumb shit on the subject.
Take a basic art history course ffs
Hell take even a basic regular history course
[QUOTE=TestECull;44289538]Honestly, for me, to call something art is to acknowledge that it has no practical purpose, that its sole reason to exist in the world is to look pretty.
Video games do so much more than that.[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/collingwood-aesthetics/#ArtCra[/URL]
Basically, no
also on the basis of aestheticians such as collingwood, I find people saying "everything is art" as intellectually bankrupt as people who say that "X isn't art"
to sum up a subject that has existed for millennia, no it is not that simple
3d modeling, texturing, animation, coloring, level design, etc etc etc etc infinity
but the summation isn't an art?
art is subjective
art can literally be what ever the fuck you want it to be, so yes, games are art.
[editline]19th March 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=TestECull;44289538]Honestly, for me, to call something art is to acknowledge that it has no practical purpose, that its sole reason to exist in the world is to look pretty.
Video games do so much more than that.[/QUOTE]
are you serious right now
[editline]19th March 2014[/editline]
do you not understand how close minded and ridiculous that sounds
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44290000]i agree that games like mario, sonic, tetris, street fighter, tekken, etc don't need a decent story, but when most of industry tries and fails miserably when they try to make use of it, well...
the widespread lack of decent writing in most games that NEED it, is far too glaring to overlook, and it needs to be fixed.[/QUOTE]
I think you mean the widespread lack of decent writing in most games that USE it, right?
It seems to me like you're confusing writing and story; many films and comics have told great stories without a single word of dialogue or description
Here's a somewhat popular example:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL-7Xo5QPeY[/media]
Would Paperman have been able to tell it's story any better with writing? The answer is indisputably no.
That said, I don't think it's always best to rely purely on the strengths of your medium, but the key here is [i]best[/i], not [i]possible[/i]. On the other hand, what do you get when you rely completely on writing without even considering the strengths of your medium? You get waste.
Look at the Bioshock series. The original Bioshock was about surviving in the inevitable ruins of a purely capitalistic society by scavenging and manipulating other survivors. You might even argue that the different factions represented the economic classes of that society, and that you survived by playing them off of each other.
Compare that to Bioshock Infinite, a game that many have argued is well written but whose gameplay mechanics tell the story of shooting a bunch of targets while occasionally eating garbage.
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;44289063]Does this sort of thing really matter? Why do video games need to validated by the standards of other forms of entertainment when it's clearly its own beast.[/QUOTE]
Matters quite a lot in terms of grant funding for instance.
[img]http://www.ic0nstrux.com/image/data/products/books/The-Art-Electronics/3.jpg[/img]
Electronics is a true art.
I prefure these as a definition of art:
a skill at doing a specified thing, typically one acquired through practice.
works produced by human creative skill and imagination.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44289197]until games get something that has irrevocably good writing, this will likely continue.
gaming most glaring weakness is writing, it needs at least one guy/gal on the level of Isaac Asimov or something like that, who is interested in using games as a way to tell stories.[/QUOTE]
Except there are quite a few games out now that have better writing than most of todays televisions series, and a lot of movies
[editline]20th March 2014[/editline]
seriously how can these faggots say video games aren't art when if asked if they thought a video game was good, most of them would base their opinion on the graphics of the game.
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