• Google Glass wearer interrogated by police inside AMC movie theater for movie piracy
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[QUOTE=supersoldier58;43632879]You shouldn't need a special pass anyway, you should be able to wear Glass wherever you want if it's a public place[/QUOTE] A movie theater, store, or restaurant is not a public place. Public place is walking down the street and nobody has an issue with Glass being used there. [QUOTE=supersoldier58;43632879]that's inevitable, so why try and stop it now? We should be focusing on adjusting and adapting to this change.[/QUOTE] Nobody has been saying this about the NSA spying or other forms of public mass surveillance, so why should people just 'deal with it' when it comes to loss of privacy due to Glass?
They don't want you wearing a camera while watching a movie. I fail to see how that's unreasonable.
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;43630719]I imagine eventually, just like some places have things that block wifi etc, cinemas and stuff might have devices that block certain functions of glass and anything similar[/QUOTE] WiFi isn't so much the issue here
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43632965]holy shit hi a movie theater is not a public place notice how you have to pay to enter a movie theater??? that makes it a private place and you agree to their terms for entering their establishment when you give them your money[/QUOTE] I purposely avoided saying public place (I tried publicly open place) out of fear this would be pulled. I'm trying to say they shouldn't force you to remove your Glass, yes you are agreeing to their terms, but that doesn't mean their terms aren't super sly? It's an issue where if not fixed I will just take my business elsewhere, if Steam tried to pull "monthly subscription to access your games!" I would go to something like Origin, they are very different but mean to show that just because they can make those terms doesn't mean their right. My definition of "publicly open place" is where everyone is allowed, everyone is allowed into a movie theatre, are they not?? How one gets to such a place is up to them, in this case you have to pay for tickets. If I wanted to go to a government owned public park, it is most definitely not free, I have to pay taxes for it, gas, etc. I'm trying to say that it is unacceptable that they are doing that, but a lot of unacceptable things happen! [QUOTE=catbarf;43632981]A movie theater, store, or restaurant is not a public place. Public place is walking down the street and nobody has an issue with Glass being used there. Nobody has been saying this about the NSA spying or other forms of public mass surveillance, so why should people just 'deal with it' when it comes to loss of privacy due to Glass?[/QUOTE] NSA is (as far as I'm aware) doing things outside the law, forcing companies to give them their emails, planting hardware malware, monitoring things that the customer is assured was "private". If you leave to go somewhere where other people are allowed to go as well then it is public and no longer private and therefore can't be compared.
[QUOTE=supersoldier58;43633157]I purposely avoided saying public place (I tried publicly open place) out of fear this would be pulled. I'm trying to say they shouldn't force you to remove your Glass, yes you are agreeing to their terms, but that doesn't mean their terms aren't super sly? It's an issue where if not fixed I will just take my business elsewhere, if Steam tried to pull "monthly subscription to access your games!" I would go to something like Origin, they are very different but mean to show that just because they can make those terms doesn't mean their right. My definition of "publicly open place" is [B]where everyone is allowed, everyone is allowed into a movie theatre, are they not?? How one gets to such a place is up to them, in this case you have to pay for tickets. If I wanted to go to a government owned public park, it is most definitely not free, I have to pay taxes for it, gas, etc. I'm trying to say that it is unacceptable that they are doing that, but a lot of unacceptable things happen! [/B] [/QUOTE] AAAAAA you're so wrong please help a private establishment a. can charge you for it, and b. as long as they are not segregating based on any of the protected demographics, can keep an individual from entering and/or remove them even if they aren't technically breaking any laws how is it "super sly" to try and keep people from filming movies [editline]22nd January 2014[/editline] not everyone is allowed into a movie theater under certain situations obvious example a 15 year old can't walk into an amc and buy a ticket for a rated R movie by himself
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43633189]AAAAAA you're so wrong please help a private establishment a. can charge you for it, and b. as long as they are not segregating based on any of the protected demographics, can keep an individual from entering and/or remove them even if they aren't technically breaking any laws how is it "super sly" to try and keep people from filming movies[/QUOTE] If there was a law "no talking in a public park" and then I talked in a public park, I would be arrested and taken away from the park. This is what the government considered "something they don't like" but this doesn't make it right. This is similar to a theatre, they will have their own rules, similar to laws, and if they find someone doing "something they don't like" then they will be taken away as well, if this reason is wearing a Glass, then it is too not right, there is no reason to hinder someone's convenience if whether or not it was hindered will produce the same outcome (aka movies will be recorded without Glass and it can't be stopped). Super sly was probably a bad word to use, I mean what I just said above when I said that, keeping people from filming movies can't be stopped, so why make it difficult for someone who is using Glass honestly? I'm not saying "murder can't be stopped lets remove limits on guns", but Glass is harmless and doesn't affect you or the company at the end of the day.
[QUOTE=supersoldier58;43633289]If there was a law "no talking in a public park" and then I talked in a public park, I would be arrested and taken away from the park. This is what the government considered "something they don't like" but this doesn't make it right. This is similar to a theatre, they will have their own rules, similar to laws, and if they find someone doing "something they don't like" then they will be taken away as well, if this reason is wearing a Glass, then it is too not right, there is no reason to hinder someone's convenience if whether or not it was hindered will produce the same outcome (aka movies will be recorded without Glass and it can't be stopped). Super sly was probably a bad word to use, I mean what I just said above when I said that, keeping people from filming movies can't be stopped, so why make it difficult for someone who is using Glass honestly? I'm not saying "murder can't be stopped lets remove limits on guns", but Glass is harmless and doesn't affect you or the company at the end of the day.[/QUOTE] what end of the day: don't bring cameras into a movie theater them being attached to your prescription glasses isn't an excuse
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43633189]AAAAAA you're so wrong please help a private establishment a. can charge you for it, and b. as long as they are not segregating based on any of the protected demographics, can keep an individual from entering and/or remove them even if they aren't technically breaking any laws how is it "super sly" to try and keep people from filming movies [editline]22nd January 2014[/editline] not everyone is allowed into a movie theater under certain situations obvious example a 15 year old can't walk into an amc and buy a ticket for a rated R movie by himself[/QUOTE] A 15 year old isn't allowed on certain points in the road too, if there isn't a crosswalk and he doesn't have a car or drivers license, legally he can't go on that part of the road either, but it's still public. [editline]22nd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=LordCrypto;43633310]what end of the day: don't bring cameras into a movie theater them being attached to your prescription glasses isn't an excuse[/QUOTE] At this point I'm probably just disagreeing with companies thinking they can stop bootlegging, when they can't, and preventing people from wearing glass won't change that. Lets agree to disagree.
[QUOTE=supersoldier58;43633334]A 15 year old isn't allowed on certain points in the road too, if there isn't a crosswalk and he doesn't have a car or drivers license, legally he can't go on that part of the road either, but it's still public.[/QUOTE] yes but he didn't expressly put money in the road's money slot, nor is the entrance to a road controlled access ok let's say you came over to my house, which we both admit is a private residence, yes you're wearing glass. i am well within my right to ask you "i'd really prefer it if you took glass off in my house please". if you decline to do that, i am also well within my right to eject you from my house
my question is why would someone want to go see shadow recruit in the first place it looks like a piece of shit
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43633370]yes but he didn't expressly put money in the road's money slot, nor is the entrance to a road controlled access ok let's say you came over to my house, which we both admit is a private residence, yes you're wearing glass. i am well within my right to ask you "i'd really prefer it if you took glass off in my house please". if you decline to do that, i am also well within my right to eject you from my house[/QUOTE] But do you have an entrance where everyone is allowed to come in and a booth that says "pay 5$ to explore rest of house", if yes I would consider that publicly open, even if you have to pay for it (you have to pay to get anywhere really, including public places like parks). How you present it it is still private, you aren't letting the public in, just me where it is right for you to ask me to take off my glass, but if it's public it isn't really right.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43630413]comparing google glasses to a cane shotgun is completely valid and totally shows the validity of your argument. I salute your superior debating In case you're too dense to realize it I was being sarcastic.[/QUOTE] I actually thought it was a really good comparison. This movie theater has a clear cut, very simple rule and this guy didn't follow it. [editline]22nd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=supersoldier58;43633457]But do you have an entrance where everyone is allowed to come in and a booth that says "pay 5$ to explore rest of house", if yes I would consider that publicly open, even if you have to pay for it (you have to pay to get anywhere really, including public places like parks). How you present it it is still private, you aren't letting the public in, just me where it is right for you to ask me to take off my glass, but if it's public it isn't really right.[/QUOTE] You have the right to wear recording equipment into a theater, just as they have the right to kick you out for it. [editline]22nd January 2014[/editline] Also keep in mind that movie theaters are not considered to be public property. They can have as many arbitrary rules as they want as long as they aren't breaking any laws. [editline]22nd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=supersoldier58;43631801]Glass is just bringing up something that people consider a "problem" that people didn't see before. I could go to any public place and pull out my phone and record everyone (as creepy as it would be, it would be legal). Glass would just make that easier for people, but it's still legal, though in privately owned but places it isn't legal depending on what rules the company makes.[/QUOTE] No, it'd still be legal. You'd just be violating that companies policy. You're not breaking a law, you're breaking a rule that applies to specific place. [editline]22nd January 2014[/editline] If people want to fight the oppressive movie theaters though i guess they can
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;43633463] [editline]22nd January 2014[/editline] Also keep in mind that movie theaters are not considered public property.[/QUOTE] I really must have worded that wrong :v:, I don't consider theatres are strictly public property like parks, but rather a publicly available place, in which case they absolutely can kick you out, but that doesn't make it right if they are doing it for something as trivial and convenient as wearing Glass in my opinion. I mean, I could bring a smartwatch that records if I really wanted to record the movie without being seen, but I don't, and most people don't either, and wearing Glass wont change that. [editline]22nd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=FingerSpazem;43633463] No, it'd still be legal. You'd just be violating that companies policy. You're not breaking a law, you're breaking a rule that applies to specific place. [editline]22nd January 2014[/editline] If people want to fight the oppressive movie theaters though i guess they can[/QUOTE] That was directed at the privacy issue, aka Glass recording people in a place like a park which is legal (though creepy).
[QUOTE=supersoldier58;43633603]I really must have worded that wrong :v:, I don't consider theatres are strictly public property like parks, but rather a publicly available place, in which case they absolutely can kick you out, but that doesn't make it right if they are doing it for something as trivial and convenient as wearing Glass in my opinion. I mean, I could bring a smartwatch that records if I really wanted to record the movie without being seen, but I don't, and most people don't either, and wearing Glass wont change that.[/QUOTE] Private property* But I agree, I think it's a really dumb rule but it's too easy to follow to complain.
[QUOTE=catbarf;43630356]A CCTV on the wall in a store isn't going to upload a video of you to Youtube to publicly mock you, or record every detail of a conversation, or personally identify you and watch for blackmail material. It really shouldn't be hard for Facepunchers who freak out over surveillance states to understand why most people don't like a camera in their face. .[/QUOTE] I don't freak out over surveillance because I could give less a shit what people record or do.
[QUOTE=Sinbues;43634279]I don't freak out over surveillance because I could give less a shit what people record or do.[/QUOTE] Except other people do. It's not ok to creep on people dude.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43634413]Except other people do. It's not ok to creep on people dude.[/QUOTE] I didn't know companies actually used surveillance cameras to creep on their customers and employees instead of using them for security measures, this is quite the conspiracy you have on your hands, I would suggest Fox News as a good place to report this.
[QUOTE=supersoldier58;43634948]I didn't know companies actually used surveillance cameras to creep on their customers and employees instead of using them for security measures, this is quite the conspiracy you have on your hands, I would suggest Fox News as a good place to report this.[/QUOTE] Bro I'm talking about using video cameras for, like, non-business things.
He'd better get a free movie and popcorn on them, then, I guess?
[QUOTE=tirpider;43624686]I couldn't have less sympathy for this person's troubles. (regarding wearing a video camera on his face in a movie theatre.)[/QUOTE] These are also his prescription glasses
[QUOTE=viperfan7;43638480]These are also his prescription glasses[/QUOTE] There is no mandatory requirement anywhere for having a camera on your glasses. It's a choice. (edited in)I can glue my minidisc recorder to my forehead and I bet I would get kicked out of the stadium concert. Regardless of whether I use it as a hearing aid or not. This is covered in the thread already by smarter people than me.
I know how this guy feels. Fascist bastards kicked me out of the theater just because they wanted me to buy their overpriced concessions instead of using my pacemaker/popcorn machine.
how many times do i have to post this, There is NO LED on glass when recording. I'm tired of people rumoring or saying what it has. If you want facts, Ask us explorers. Unless the news site posting it has an actual pair, It's BS completely. The only thing you can have is a preview on glass of what you are recording which you can only see if you look directly through the glass units prism.
This has to devolve into the whole "public place" discussion... (In regards to my original post) I'll remind you that I live in NSW, Australia.. and our legal definition of a public place was laid out clearly a decade ago when they started bringing in all that 'no smoking' legislation. [QUOTE]Smoke-free Environment Act 2000 No 69 Schedule 1 Schedule 1 Examples of places that are smoke-free if they are enclosed public places (Section 6) Shopping centres, malls and plazas Restaurants, cafes, cafeterias, dining areas and other eating places Schools, colleges and universities Professional, trade, commercial and other business premises Community centres or halls and places of public worship [B]Theatres, cinemas,[/B] libraries and galleries Trains, buses, trams, aeroplanes, taxis and hire cars, and ferries and other vessels Hostels (other than residential accommodation) Motels (other than residential accommodation) Fitness centres, bowling alleys and other sporting and recreational facilities Childcare facilities Hospitals Casinos (other than a casino private gaming area or residential accommodation) Hotels (other than residential accommodation) Clubs (other than residential accommodation) Nightclubs [URL]http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/viewtop/inforce/act+69+2000+FIRST+0+N/[/URL] (scroll to the bottom on the left for Schedule 1) [URL]http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fragview/inforce/act+69+2000+sch.1+0+N?tocnav=y[/URL][/QUOTE] It can be argued in my state, of my country that I have the right to wear them. We are also allowed to film/photograph in public places in Australia, but there can be ethics and common sense involved which is something that I wouldn't mind a discussion on; if your act is in breach of law, even in a public space, you would be well outside your right to ask for mercy.. if perchance you were actually recording in a movie.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;43640700]This has to devolve into the whole "public place" discussion... (In regards to my original post) I'll remind you that I live in NSW, Australia.. and our legal definition of a public place was laid out clearly a decade ago when they started bringing in all that 'no smoking' legislation. It can be argued in my state, of my country that I have the right to wear them. We are also allowed to film/photograph in public places in Australia, but there can be ethics and common sense involved which is something that I wouldn't mind a discussion on; if your act is in breach of law, even in a public space, you would be well outside your right to ask for mercy.. if perchance you were actually recording in a movie.[/QUOTE] Argued, sure. But the theatre itself still reserves the right to serve you as well as to deny it if you don't want to comply with their rules.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43643570]If you can afford google glass why would you be pirating movies?[/QUOTE] Make bootlegs and sell them? Lots of people pirate regardless of cost of movies. I mean you can find most movie online where you can watch them for like a few bucks, amazon has lots for about 5 bucks.
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