Riots near St. Louis, MO after black teenager shot - Polidicks

[QUOTE=katbug;45655146]Because societially they're two very different things? If there was mob violence based off of "racism against whites", it would absolutely be a problem with the white community[/QUOTE] BUT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "THE WHITE COMMUNITY" I'm not in some special secret "community" with the white guy who bagged my groceries at the Winn Dixie 5 miles from here. I don't consult him when deciding whether or not to flip a Ford Focus over. [editline]10th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=katbug;45655165]ooh my god he's so cute it's like babby's first debate[/QUOTE] Did I strike a nerve, friend?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45655114]But why is it that when black people tear shit up because of mob mentality lots of talking head assholes and angry forums posters rant against the "black community" but nobody ever talks about the "white community" having a "problem with violence" when a mob of sports fans tears apart a town after losing a game? In fact: nobody ever says anything about the "white community" at all, even though it doesn't not-exist any more than the "black community" does.[/QUOTE] A soccer mob doesn't find its identity in its whiteness, but in its common fanhood. On the other hand, this mod finds its identity in its racial commonality (of being black). If you have an example of a mob that finds its commonality in being white, then you would have a comparable example. [editline]10th August 2014[/editline] There's also not nearly the same level of community in white groups as there are in black groups. For example, voting trends among black people are VERY consistent across the board, but this trend doesn't hold for white people. It is much more varied.

[QUOTE=sgman91;45655194]A soccer mob doesn't find its identity in its whiteness, but in its common fanhood. On the other hand, this mod finds its identity in its racial commonality (of being black). If you have an example of a mob that finds its commonality in being white, then you would have a comparable example.[/QUOTE] I'd classify the Occupy movement of being consisted of mostly "white" people.. but knowing damn well that people of all types participated/ing in it

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45655176]BUT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "THE WHITE COMMUNITY" I'm not in some special secret "community" with the white guy who bagged my groceries at the Winn Dixie 5 miles from here. I don't consult him when deciding whether or not to flip a Ford Focus over. [editline]10th August 2014[/editline] Did I strike a nerve, friend?[/QUOTE] that's the point you dumbass, it's an entirely different culture also, you didn't hit a nerve, you just showed some more of that adorable hypocricy

[QUOTE=sgman91;45655162]How can something be both reasonable and not justified?[/QUOTE] It's reasonable because, if you tried for even the faintest moment to sympathize with the people involved in this riot, their behavior might make a little bit of sense. It's not justified but it's also not just a random, totally arbitrary series of actions; it comes from a place of real feelings that shouldn't be so alien to you.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;45655211]I'd classify the Occupy movement of being consisted of mostly "white" people[/QUOTE] I didn't say that it consists of a certain color, but that they find their identity in their race. The Occupy movement found its identity in being against the capitalism system that they felt was screwing them, not in being white. [editline]10th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45655218]It's reasonable because, if you tried for even the faintest moment to sympathize with the people involved in this riot, their behavior might make a little bit of sense. It's not justified but it's also not just a random, totally arbitrary series of actions; it comes from a place of real feelings that shouldn't be so alien to you.[/QUOTE] Feelings are not reason. To say that something is reasonable is to say that they have good reason to do it. I'm sorry, I don't sympathize with destroying innocent people's property and livelihood in an emotional rage. It's disgusting and wrong. I don't care who does it.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45655114]But why is it that when black people tear shit up because of mob mentality lots of talking head assholes and angry forums posters rant against the "black community" but nobody ever talks about the "white community" having a "problem with violence" when a mob of sports fans tears apart a town after losing a game? In fact: nobody ever says anything about the "white community" at all, even though it doesn't not-exist any more than the "black community" does.[/QUOTE] There is a "black community" because blacks are separated more so they congregate closer than whites. To the point where they consider each other brothers and sisters. So when a black person dies to a white man, they take it as one of their one being murdered, regardless of the circumstance surrounding it. The same thing happened with Zimmerman where they let their emotion trample logic.

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[QUOTE=sgman91;45655194]A soccer mob doesn't find its identity in its whiteness, but in its common fanhood. On the other hand, this mod finds its identity in its racial commonality (of being black). If you have an example of a mob that finds its commonality in being white, then you would have a comparable example. [editline]10th August 2014[/editline] There's also not nearly the same level of community in white groups as there are in black groups. For example, voting trends among black people are VERY consistent across the board, but this trend doesn't hold for white people. It is much more varied.[/QUOTE] But those things are, themselves, responses to the exact same kind of discrimination that people are rioting about. Maybe if people didn't want to see so much rioting they should concern themselves with the [I]social order that inspires otherwise normal people to riot[/I] instead of clucking their tongues in disapproval at an amorphous mass of black people. If you want to fix a problem you go after the [B]CAUSE[/B] of the problem instead of just staring, disapprovingly, at the symptoms.

Hopefully the level of violence doesn't escalate to the point of the L.A. Riots. Just read a cop was beaten up pretty bad at a Taco Bell so this isn't looking too good.

The cause of rioting against innocent people is bad character. I don't care who you are or what's been done to you, if you go destroy innocent people's stuff because you can't control your anger then that's on you. This applies to whites, blacks, or any other group of people. I don't care how justifiably angry people are... that's not an excuse or a reason to destroy completely unrelated people's stuff.

sounds to me he deserved to be shot

[QUOTE=sgman91;45655296]The cause of rioting against innocent people is bad character. I don't care who you are or what's been done to you, if you go destroy innocent people's stuff because you can't control your anger then that's on you. This applies to whites, blacks, or any other group of people.[/QUOTE] It's easy to look down on all of those "inferiors" with "bad morals" but I guarantee you that if you, or I, or anyone else in here was pushed hard enough and for long enough they'd start to smash something. That's why we consider the people like Ghandi or MLK who have the capacity for peaceful civil disobedience special. It takes a unique character to respond to brutality with grace.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;45655237]There is a "black community" because blacks are separated more so they congregate closer than whites. To the point where they consider each other brothers and sisters. So when a black person dies to a white man, they take it as one of their one being murdered, regardless of the circumstance surrounding it. The same thing happened with Zimmerman where they let their emotion trample logic.[/QUOTE] Who is "they"? Black people? Because I know plenty of black folks who didn't react strongly either way to the Zimmerman trial and subsequent verdict. Also when those (98% peaceful) protests happened after the verdict was read, a lot of the people in those crowds were white. Honestly this post is sort of bizarre. The observation about blacks "congregating closer to whites" and "consider each other brothers and sisters" reads like some kind of attempt at a biological case study.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45655326]It's easy to look down on all of those "inferiors" with "bad morals" but I guarantee you that if you, or I, or anyone else in here was pushed hard enough and for long enough they'd start to smash something. That's why we consider the people like Ghandi or MLK who have the capacity for peaceful civil disobedience special. It takes a unique character to respond to brutality with grace.[/QUOTE] Firstly, I don't believe that I would ever destroy innocent people's things out of pure uncontrollable rage. I may attack the people who have wronged me, but never the innocent.With that said, even if I were to do the same thing it wouldn't somehow make it acceptable. I would simply have the same character defect.

Black people collectively get fed up with things and lash out in response. Especially when it comes to racial fighting, or any acts of police brutality.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45655066]No, it's not caused by "the black community," it's caused by "individuals." I don't know what you learned in school but I was taught that human beings are autonomous creatures and not hive-minded things like bees or ants.[/QUOTE] Then they apparently forgot to teach you what groupthink and mob mentality are. Sorry, but these things exist in all of us, some more than others depending on things like how assertive you are and self-esteem (etc.), and sometimes they actually do affect our behavior. Like here, in a racially-charged riot.

Today on Facepunch I learned that black people belong to a hive mind that, upon detecting one of it's members death by white cop, triggers a release of rage-inducing hormones from a gland in their brains.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;45655491]Today on Facepunch I learned that [B]riots are an example of mob mentality/groupthink[/B].[/QUOTE] FTFY

[QUOTE=Govna;45655507]FTFY[/QUOTE] But it's not just general mob mentality though, you explicitly used the words "black community" without actually ever defining it. KillerJaguar defined it as implicitly every black person in the US when he referenced Zimmerman. Race riots occur when a group of people that are frustrated, impoverished, and undereducated turn towards the only method of change they feel will work in the face of implied of explicit oppression. The only reason we see a racial constant is because, statistically, blacks are worse off than whites or other minorities in almost every category from economics to health to the justice system. It's not because black people inherently feel the need to riot. [editline]11th August 2014[/editline] You know which members of the "black community" aren't joining in the violence? The African American family who lives in the suburbs of St Louis who's parents work fulfilling jobs and who's children go to decent schools.

Just drove past this area. So many damn cops.

[QUOTE=Wii60;45655072]yup, sounds like st louis. st louis is a pretty bad place to be, its like detroit-lite[/QUOTE] Not even close, south, west county, brentwood, and other places are very nice, north and east county are shitholes though.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;45655406]Who is "they"? Black people? Because I know plenty of black folks who didn't react strongly either way to the Zimmerman trial and subsequent verdict. Also when those (98% peaceful) protests happened after the verdict was read, a lot of the people in those crowds were white. Honestly this post is sort of bizarre. The observation about blacks "congregating closer to whites" and "consider each other brothers and sisters" reads like some kind of attempt at a biological case study.[/QUOTE] Then I should have clarified less educated people tend to group together and share mob mentality while more educated people are peaceful and think on their own.

[QUOTE=sgman91;45655426]Firstly, I don't believe that I would ever destroy innocent people's things out of pure uncontrollable rage. I may attack the people who have wronged me, but never the innocent.With that said, even if I were to do the same thing it wouldn't somehow make it acceptable. I would simply have the same character defect.[/QUOTE] You can pass judgment on these people from afar all you want but that's not going to accomplish anything.

Way to go dumbasses. I'm sure this rioting will help their cause.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45655649]You can pass judgment on these people from afar all you want but that's not going to accomplish anything.[/QUOTE] You posting on this forum isn't going to accomplish anything either. That's just a cop out answer.

Can we not just agree that the riot was, in fact, started by black people. Whether or not that sounds racist to somebody somewhere, a large number of black individuals began rioting after another black individual was shot. Obviously their skin color IS in fact relevant, otherwise we'd be seeing more white people and miscellaneous minorities protesting as well. Whether it's politically correct or sounds nice or whatever, it is simply true that the people rioting and destroying property right now are in fact black individuals (humans, yes, just like white people, but these ones are black), and the event began as a result of what may or may not be an unjustified shooting (which based on what I've read, it seemed completely justified) of a black person. The whole "why does he have to be black? They don't have to say that" argument is dumb. It's an easy way to describe the person who was involved, and it's relevant to the case. He was, in fact, black. As a result, describing him as such provides and accurate description of the person. If the man was 72, and they said he was 72, nobody would complain about "Why does he have to be 72? Why can't they leave that out?" It doesn't matter. Getting offended because people bring attention to something only helps to solidify the fact that being that thing is negative. If being described as black is seen as upsetting, then people will be upset when described as black. If it's simply a descriptor no different than hair color or something similar, it's no longer a negative thing. Actively trying not to bring attention to things like that only make them seem more negative. In any case, it's not a matter of the entire black community being involved and supporting these riots, it's just that the people currently rioting and supporting the riots are undoubtedly black. To simply ignore that because it doesn't seem politically correct or nice is naive and, more specifically, extremely ignorant. ignoring blatantly obvious facts as a feel good measure never helped anyone. In any case, their behavior is uncalled for. Maybe it is true that police brutality is commonplace in that area, but damaging the property of various stores and households does absolutely nothing to fix that. Charging at police and labeling all of them as offenders is no different than treating all black people as gangsters and criminals. It's stereotyping one way or another, it simply isn't racial. If they want to actually solve the problem, destroying a bunch of shit and getting arrested/killed is a pretty bad way to do it. This will inevitably make their situation worse. They need to implement more effective measures for dealing with police brutality. Buying video cameras for local houses or setting them up on street corners is one way to help. Working their way into the police department themselves is another great way to help. If it's so corrupt that they can't do that, surely they can find proof and bring it to an authority that supersedes the area's jurisdiction. At some point or another, they will find a way to deal with the situation. Instead, they simply use it as an excuse to commit crime without any punishment. It's really just a disappointment.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45655114]But why is it that when black people tear shit up because of mob mentality lots of talking head assholes and angry forums posters rant against the "black community" but nobody ever talks about the "white community" having a "problem with violence" when a mob of sports fans tears apart a town after losing a game? In fact: nobody ever says anything about the "white community" at all, even though it doesn't not-exist any more than the "black community" does.[/QUOTE]Oh, maybe because all sports fans aren't white? Also, tell that last sentence to every single black person who has used the words "black" and "community" to refer to either the local or national population of dark-skinned people. [editline]11th August 2014[/editline] Oh no! I didn't see the second page :( [editline]11th August 2014[/editline] Actually, I've said "white community" plenty of times now that I think about it. I don't even see why either terms (or any variation) are even a fucking point to argue, but whatever.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45655114]In fact: nobody ever says anything about the "white community" at all, even though it doesn't not-exist any more than the "black community" does.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45655176]BUT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "THE WHITE COMMUNITY"[/QUOTE] what

These poor black angels. I will not rest until the streets are safe for them again.