• Sweden Democrats Threaten to Block Budget to Create 'Political Crisis'
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NYVAL! NU!
Biggest clusterfuck of an election I've ever seen. I used to think politics were fun but now they're really tiresome and frustrating. [QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46628819]The more other parties refuse to cooperate with SD, their role as the balance of power just intensifies. Sticking your head in the ground whilst screaming racism isn't going to solve anything.[/QUOTE] Or, one could be discussing actual politics instead of giving SD space to discuss their xenophobic views. I've learned that as soon as you make a debate not about immigration, SD has nothing to say, which in turn leaves them with little support even amongst the ignorant/racist voters. The parties need to come back to their ideological roots instead of going for the centre voters. Going for the centre voters leaves a lot of people feeling that they're not being represented.The parties should debate one another instead of nodding their heads and agreeing with each other, promptly followed by attacking SD. Also, I attended a bunch of debates before the elections and the SD representative just sat there looking stupid for a duration of 2 hours . [QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46628819]Sticking your head in the ground whilst screaming racism isn't going to solve anything.[/QUOTE] Nobody even needs to yell racist anymore, SD has been marketing themselves as such pretty nicely. [QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46629653]viper, it's SvP who wants to kick out the immigrants, SD want's to lower the immigration rate to a level where it isn't eating up all the social money.[/QUOTE] It isn't. I'd argue tax cuts for the richest are, something which SD voted for.
People keep asking where Fredrik Reinfeldt is (ex prime minister) and jesus fuck did these people forget that he RESIGNED after losing the elections? :v: [editline]3rd December 2014[/editline] Well, here we go...
[B]REELECTION DECIDED 22rd MARCH![/B]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;46628728][B]REELECTION DECIDED 22rd MARCH![/B][/QUOTE] Is it really though? The way they explained it seems like "extraval" is different from "omval"/"nyval". Like, the results of the coming election won't decide who will lead the country.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;46628773]Is it really though? The way they explained it seems like "extraval" is different from "omval"/"nyval". Like, the results of the coming election won't decide who will lead the country.[/QUOTE] Extra/Ny/Omval are all the same thing: [url]http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/Sa-funkar-riksdagen/Demokrati/Val-till-riksdagen/Extra-val/[/url]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;46628786]Extra/Ny/Omval are all the same thing: [url]http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/Sa-funkar-riksdagen/Demokrati/Val-till-riksdagen/Extra-val/[/url][/QUOTE] Oooooh very weird to have so many different names for it. oh well, I'm cool with this!
The more other parties refuse to cooperate with SD, their role as the balance of power just intensifies. Sticking your head in the ground whilst screaming racism isn't going to solve anything.
This is excellent news, hopefully the socialists gets kicked out and M and their allies and SD get a total majority.
good news, hopefully people realize how stupid it is to vote for SD vote for a another party
[QUOTE=The fox;46628883]This is excellent news, hopefully the socialists gets kicked out and M and their allies and SD get a total majority.[/QUOTE] you do realize SD is the whole reason this shitfest happened to begin with right? Because they completely refused to accept any other budget plan but their own?
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;46628941]you do realize SD is the whole reason this shitfest happened to begin with right? Because they completely refused to accept any other budget plan but their own?[/QUOTE] boy, that sounds so familiar for some odd reason :v:
Wow I didn't actually expect an extra election. I thought the government would dissolve and then Stefan Löfven would create a new government without the Green Party this time. I don't see how this would dramatically change the current situation though. All the parties might loose or gain a few percent but I have a hard time not seeing SD becoming kingmaker once again.
[QUOTE=Deng;46627917]isn't that point of politics? like, people working together with compromises?[/QUOTE] Compromise and cooperation is yes, but cooperating just to get something over with is not a good idea. I'd rather not have any party get something though by just blocking stuff until the rest gets tired of it
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;46628941]you do realize SD is the whole reason this shitfest happened to begin with right? Because they completely refused to accept any other budget plan but their own?[/QUOTE] They would accept anyones, however, no other party chose to work with them, thusly, it's their own fault, and mainly the disgusting socialist Röfven's.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;46628941]you do realize SD is the whole reason this shitfest happened to begin with right? Because they completely refused to accept any other budget plan but their own?[/QUOTE] No they didn't even accept their own plan
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;46628941]you do realize SD is the whole reason this shitfest happened to begin with right? Because they completely refused to accept any other budget plan but their own?[/QUOTE] To be honest it's understandable the SD would do this. The other 7 parties have treated them like shit for the last 4 years and they keep doing so even after they became the 3rd largest party. Of course they will be harsh back when they are not invited to even the smallest talks ever. I'm not saying that SD should dictate everything but people gotta learn to not treat them like they are NSDAP reincarnated, because they are not.
[QUOTE=Folstream;46629161] I'm not saying that SD should dictate everything but people gotta learn to not treat them like they are NSDAP reincarnated, because they are not.[/QUOTE] Exactly, which is why I do believe this to be a good thing after all.
I wouldn't trust SD with my budget [video=youtube;DD04Q8-e3kI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD04Q8-e3kI&list=LLrNIbP6KyxJWBdlh3Q6ESMQ[/video]
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;46625154]The proposed S budget already matched some of SD's goals, like the elder care etc, when you say "work with them" do you mean "completely change party tactics and match the opposition?". If you want people working with you, you can't jsut go "waaaah" as soon as something doesn't fit you. Had SD been level-headed and not fucked up like this they would've gained eventual support and maybe even confidence among other parties. Now they will forever be known as a party that is willing to force it's demands when it can't immediately get what it wants, like a big crybaby.[/QUOTE] This sounds terribly familiar...
[QUOTE=The fox;46629103]They would accept anyones, however, no other party chose to work with them, thusly, it's their own fault, and mainly the disgusting socialist Röfven's.[/QUOTE] Because socialism is only okay if it's national socialism? :v:
[QUOTE=BuddieBBB;46629273]Because socialism is only okay if it's national socialism? :v:[/QUOTE] I've never stated that so I am not sure why you are trying to put words in my mouth.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;46629214]Exactly, which is why I do believe this to be a good thing after all.[/QUOTE] I don't think the situation will change radically with a new election result though. I believe SD will grow more or less and keep their kingmaker role. The other parties will go a few percents plus or minus but at most we will end up with a minority right government instead that still won't be able to get their budget through.
[QUOTE=The fox;46629283]I've never stated that so I am not sure why you are trying to put words in my mouth.[/QUOTE] It was a joke and not meant to be taken seriously.
I am so fucking tired of our politics that have been at a extreme sandbox-level for the past years... Reinfeldt & Co. almost drove our economy into the fucking ground, then the left-wing finally wins (sure, i hate them too but not as much as the Alliance) and now SD wanted to remind everyone that they still exist. What the hell happened to that awesome equlaity we're so godamn proud of? You can't blame every foreigner in this country for all the problems caused by the Alliance, this neo-nazi shitfest is not the fucking solution. One thing i hate even more is the inability between the parties to just tell SD to fuck off... I mean, what is SD gonna do? Kick out everyone foreign and/or with foreign ancestors? Half the fucking country would just disappear. Yes, there's faults in our immigration politics but kicking out foreign people that have lived here for all these years isn't the solution either. Are they gonna kick out my Greek friend and her family? My Iranian, Kazakhstani and Polish neighbours too? Even if they haven't done jack shit? I refuse to accept a possible future where SD rules Sweden, goddamn you if you ruin the country that i am so proud to be a part of. Fuck SD. // End of rant. [editline]3rd December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BuddieBBB;46628152]Bluntly described; SD's "politics" consists of blaming the "immigrants" in Sweden (in reality anyone who 'looks' foreign) for any/all problems in our economics/social issues/etc. Many of the party's members are convicted criminals and/or confirmed/former nazis/fascists and there has been numerous scandals where party members are involved in racist/fascist statements and actions. The problem here is that, obvious differences aside, the leftists and the social democrats and SD agrees on many points in the budget; SD even used some of it as leverage in their election campaign, but now they are prioritizing their own (and ultimately, the right-wing and upper class) agendas and goals instead of the people's needs and requests. Which shows that they really only care about gaining power and leverage so they can achieve their own fascist/racist-tinged goals.[/QUOTE] Yes, exactly. Thank you for writing this. [editline]3rd December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=The fox;46624998]This isn't SDs fault, but rather the other parties inability to work with them. You reap what you sow, and this is only Löfven's fault. I am glad they actually had the balls to go through with this, and I am glad I voted for them.[/QUOTE] Crawl the fuck back into your hole.
[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;46629361] // End of rant. [/QUOTE] And this is what happens when your only source of information is Aftonbladet/Expressen, and other left wing nutters, and you don't have the brain to think for yourself. It is quite shocking that people actually think like this out there.
[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;46629361]I am so fucking tired of our politics that have been at a extreme sandbox-level for the past years... Reinfeldt & Co. almost drove our economy into the fucking ground, then the left-wing finally wins (sure, i hate them too but not as much as the Alliance) and now SD wanted to remind everyone that they still exist. What the hell happened to that awesome equlaity we're so godamn proud of? You can't blame every foreigner in this country for all the problems caused by the Alliance, this neo-nazi shitfest is not the fucking solution. One thing i hate even more is the inability between the parties to just tell SD to fuck off... I mean, what is SD gonna do? Kick out everyone foreign and/or with foreign ancestors? Half the fucking country would just disappear. Yes, there's faults in our immigration politics but kicking out foreign people that have lived here for all these years isn't the solution either. Are they gonna kick out my Greek friend and her family? My Iranian, Kazakhstani and Polish neighbours too? Even if they haven't done jack shit? I refuse to accept a possible future where SD rules Sweden, goddamn you if you ruin the country that i am so proud to be a part of. Fuck SD. // End of rant. [editline]3rd December 2014[/editline] Yes, exactly. Thank you for writing this. [editline]3rd December 2014[/editline] Crawl the fuck back into your hole.[/QUOTE] Uuuh SD won't kick out anyone with a Swedish citizenship, immigrant or not. You don't have to like them but if you gotta criticize them keep it to facts.
The fuck are you on Folstream? I have a friend who was temporarily kicked out from Sweden even tho he have a citizenship and everything. The only solution was a loophole, that loophole being adopted by another family. [editline]3rd December 2014[/editline] Plus, you missed my entire point.
[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;46629361]I am so fucking tired of our politics that have been at a extreme sandbox-level for the past years... [B]Reinfeldt & Co. almost drove our economy into the fucking ground...[/B][/QUOTE] And you guys can stop reading here because the rest is of this post is the same self-deluded bullshit There's a reason pretty much every country but ourselves is amazed at why we kicked out the very government that saved us
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