German Transgendered girl Alex, has been institutionalized.
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Sorry if I'm missing something here, but a boy thinks he's a girl and because they want to fix that, they're monsters?
What.
[QUOTE=ijyt;35276580]Sorry if I'm missing something here, but a boy thinks he's a girl and because they want to fix that, they're monsters?
What.[/QUOTE]
The biologically male child is transsexual. And not only thinks she's a girl but also feels she is, and up to now lived as one too. They want to force her to behave like a boy. To get rid of that feminity.
Would you like to be forced into behaving as something you are not? Be it straight, gay, boy, girl. Or for example, christian, muslim, pagan, buddhist, skater, surfer, justin bieber fan, soccer fan when you are not.
Imagine it. Simply put. Forced to be living a lie.
[QUOTE=ijyt;35276580]Sorry if I'm missing something here, but a boy thinks he's a girl and because they want to fix that, they're monsters?
What.[/QUOTE]
It would be ideal if it were something you can fix but it is not something you can fix, the best option is to let it be.
[QUOTE=Darkon Ta Dra;35276637]The biologically male child is transsexual. And not only thinks she's a girl but also feels she is, and up to now lived as one too. They want to force her to behave like a boy. To get rid of that feminity.
Would you like to be forced into behaving as something you are not? Be it straight, gay, boy, girl. Or for example, christian, muslim, pagan, buddhist, skater, surfer, justin bieber fan, soccer fan when you are not.
Imagine it. Simply put. Forced to be living a lie.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this. The only "cure" to being transgendered is transitioning.
[QUOTE=ijyt;35276580]Sorry if I'm missing something here, but a boy thinks he's a girl and because they want to fix that, they're monsters?
What.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.webmd.com/sex/gender-identity-disorder[/url]
[url]http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/917990-overview[/url]
Read these entirely before you make any more dumb posts.
[QUOTE=ijyt;35276580]Sorry if I'm missing something here, but a boy thinks he's a girl and because they want to fix that, they're monsters?
What.[/QUOTE]
More like a girl knowing she's a girl, and mental health services, at the behest of a parent who already ditched the family, trying to suppress that so she can be a 'normal boy' and lead a life of depression and internalised hatred.
That's the monstrous bit
Honestly, gender should just be removed from society, I fucking despise it as it only serves to divide humanity into two sections.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35276858]Honestly, gender should just be removed from society, I fucking despise it as it only serves to divide humanity into two sections.[/QUOTE]
You mean gender *[I]norms[/I]*, right? Or gender roles?
[QUOTE=Last or First;35276878]You mean gender *[I]norms[/I]*, right? Or gender roles?[/QUOTE]
Isn't gender pretty much made up by the gender rules set by society?
[QUOTE=shadow_006;35275755]I'm so proud of being german right now.
Finally this bullshit's being handled the right way.
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("General homophobia - can't tell if troll or just a dick" - Lithifold))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
I'm not exactly sure how that is homophobia. It was the decision of a trained professional that had contact with the child (to difference of everyone here who only reads articles about it), but because FP thinks it's a bad decision, saying otherwise is homophobic and ban worthy?
Yeah I too think it's pretty stupid to deny an expert's diagnosis (and that it's strange that they denied it), but I don't see how having the opinion that the nurse did the right thing is homophobic, especially when all we know comes from a select few articles.
[QUOTE=acds;35277004]I'm not exactly sure how that is homophobia. It was the decision of a trained professional that had contact with the child (to difference of everyone here who only reads articles about it), but because FP thinks it's a bad decision, saying otherwise is homophobic and ban worthy?
Yeah I too think it's pretty stupid to deny an expert's diagnosis (and that it's strange that they denied it), but I don't see how having the opinion that the nurse did the right thing is homophobic, especially when all we know comes from a select few articles.[/QUOTE]
You know somehow I'm not surprised you would agree with the nurse who claimed that the child was somehow induced into being transgender by her mother. Especially since I remember you from the last thread with oh such classic posts like
[quote]It's a guy. He can live whatever fairy tale he wants, he was born a guy and will always be.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;35277053]You know somehow I'm not surprised you would agree with the nurse who claimed that the child was somehow induced into being transgender by her mother. Especially since I remember you from the last thread with oh such classic posts like[/QUOTE]
By all means, point out where I said I agreed with the nurse.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35276858]Honestly, gender should just be removed from society, I fucking despise it as it only serves to divide humanity into two sections.[/QUOTE]
This is a terrible response to the issue of transgenderism.
[QUOTE=acds;35277073]By all means, point out where I said I agreed with the nurse.[/QUOTE]
Well the fact that you call this nurse who is a part of some transgender curing institution a "trained professional" and an "expert" of this subject.
I can assure you this nurse is an expert on transgender the same way a nurse at one of the various gay curing facilities is an expert on homosexuals.
Now i feel bad once more that i am german.
Why does this world hates us all?!
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;35277112]Well the fact that you call this nurse who is a part of some transgender curing institution a "trained professional" and an "expert" of this subject.
I can assure you this nurse is an expert on transgender the same way a nurse at one of the various gay curing facilities is an expert on homosexuals.[/QUOTE]
Apparently though it was enough for the deciding authority, who still is more qualified to make such decisions than anyone here. Yeah you might think he's dumb, but just because FP doesn't think like him doesn't mean he should be banned (and he was not stating against the obvious just to spark anger, considering the deciding authority shared his thoughts).
[QUOTE=acds;35277004]I'm not exactly sure how that is homophobia. It was the decision of a trained professional that had contact with the child (to difference of everyone here who only reads articles about it), but because FP thinks it's a bad decision, saying otherwise is homophobic and ban worthy?
Yeah I too think it's pretty stupid to deny an expert's diagnosis (and that it's strange that they denied it), but I don't see how having the opinion that the nurse did the right thing is homophobic, especially when all we know comes from a select few articles.[/QUOTE]
1. [QUOTE=Lithifold;35276405]Using homophobia in relation to his other bans, btw, I know the term is transphobia.[/QUOTE]
2. [quote]The Kaminskies lawyer calls the enactment “startling”: “The view that transsexuality can be induced over years without any resistance is nowhere represented in the expert literature. That is an invention of the nurse.”
Said nurse has only had a single, hour long, conversation with the child, whose opinions she had ignored.[/quote]
[QUOTE=shadow_006;35275755]I'm so proud of being german right now.
Finally this bullshit's being handled the right way.
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("General homophobia - can't tell if troll or just a dick" - Lithifold))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
You are truly a despicable twat and you have just made a giant arse of yourself.
[editline]24th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;35277092]This is a terrible response to the issue of transgenderism.[/QUOTE]
What [I]"issue"[/I]?
[B]WHO GIVES A FUCK HOW OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE THEIR LIVES?[/B]
[QUOTE=acds;35277178]Apparently though it was enough for the deciding authority, who still is more qualified to make such decisions than anyone here. Yeah you might think he's dumb, but just because FP doesn't think like him doesn't mean he should be banned (and he was not stating against the obvious just to spark anger, considering the deciding authority shared his thoughts).[/QUOTE]
Wait, so you agree with mentally breaking a child so they can become "normal" because some deciding authority said it was ok as if deciding authorities can never be wrong?
[QUOTE=acds;35277178]Apparently though it was enough for the deciding authority, who still is more qualified to make such decisions than anyone here. Yeah you might think he's dumb, but just because FP doesn't think like him doesn't mean he should be banned (and he was not stating against the obvious just to spark anger, considering the deciding authority shared his thoughts).[/QUOTE]
Appeal to authority fallacy.
Also, I refer you to this post:
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;35274186][url]http://www.webmd.com/sex/gender-identity-disorder[/url]
[url]http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/917990-overview[/url]
Educate yourself.[/QUOTE]
Before you say "oh, that post is also an appeal to authority": no, it isn't. It's an appeal to [I]goddamn [B]science[/B][/I].
You know, those wonderful, [I]obscure[/I] little things called [I]facts[/I].
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;35277211]
What [I]"issue"[/I]?
[B]WHO GIVES A FUCK HOW OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE THEIR LIVES?[/B][/QUOTE]
There will always be people who will try to make an issue out of things like this, hence why he was not wrong when he called it one.
The nurse, as far as I have read the news report, was with the youth office. And I doubt she has much professional experience with transsexuality. And she had contact for one hour of chatting.
I'm sure she has experience with mistreated children. Abused, hit and what not. But transsexuality is something different. Something she should have asked an expert for advice.
And that is something nobody involved on the youth offices side seems to have done. Asking an expert. Or they wouldn't have denied the visits to Hamburg or Frankfurt. Where the experts work.
The youth office is not a medical facility. The Charité on the other hand is a huge one. With departments for just about any part of healing. Yet, in the news report it was stated the only experts for transsexuality in youths and children are in Hamburg and Frankfurt. Which for me implies there are no experts for it in the Charité.
aren't we all transexuals if we start in the womb as a female?
[QUOTE=rexxar;35277385]aren't we all transexuals if we start in the womb as a female?[/QUOTE]
i threw up in my mouth a little when reading this
[QUOTE=rexxar;35277385]aren't we all transexuals if we start in the womb as a female?[/QUOTE]
No because males still have Y chromosomes, which for the most part the defining feature of which sex you belong too.
Oh, this is the one I meant to post in.
Anyhow.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tBaMlAUj08&feature=player_embedded[/media]
Thread music.
And how the holy fuck are they allowed to just lock a kid up like that?
Here we go again...
[QUOTE=rexxar;35277385]aren't we all transexuals if we start in the womb as a female?[/QUOTE]
No, not at all. Read up on biology sometime, its pretty interesting.
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Don't see how that makes it such a unassailable fact that thinking otherwise makes it trolling and a bannable offence.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;35277236]Wait, so you agree with mentally breaking a child so they can become "normal" because some deciding authority said it was ok as if deciding authorities can never be wrong?[/QUOTE]
Refer to above, I'm not talking about it being right or wrong, I'm saying that having a different opinion on the matter is not trolling.
[QUOTE=Last or First;35277266]Appeal to authority fallacy.
Also, I refer you to this post:
Before you say "oh, that post is also an appeal to authority": no, it isn't. It's an appeal to [I]goddamn [B]science[/B][/I].
You know, those wonderful, [I]obscure[/I] little things called [I]facts[/I].[/QUOTE]
As above, not talking about it being right or wrong, just that this isn't an indisputable fact, not talking about GID, I'm saying that her being institutionalized being wrong is not a fact, so when he says he thinks it's right, it's his opinion on the matter, [B]opinion[/B], and stating your opinion on something that is up for debate (yeah sorry, just because most of FP thinks one way it doesn't make it undisputable fact) and that isn't trolling.
For the record, I don't agree with him (I think they should have let an expert decide), but I don't want everyone who doesn't think like me banned.
[QUOTE=Atlessa;35273684]But isn't it true? This is EXACTLY what the Nazis did to people who were "different".
Including, but not limited to: Transgendered, homosexuals, jews...[/QUOTE]
And because some fucking idiots (like there are many in every country) did stupid shit, there now are people calling the whole country "nazi".
I fucking hate when people generalize like this.
Seriously, don't advocate such behavior.
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