FBI asks public for help breaking encrypted notes tied to 1999 murder - Polidicks

Are there any major significances behind the case which is critical to be resolved, or is the FBI just being bored again?

[QUOTE] NCBE -> 6 times WLD -> 12 times RCBRN -> 7 times part of a bigger word RCBRNSE -> 6 times -> probably guy forgot a letter [/QUOTE] guys if you want use this list [editline]30th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Beetle179;28896833]Pretty sure that + is actually a lower case T.[/QUOTE] will make corrections with time, contribute to the list please guys

[QUOTE=B!N4RY;28896868]Are there any major significances behind the case which is critical to be resolved, or is the FBI just being bored again?[/QUOTE] I've added an FBI.gov link to the OP that says the following:[quote] There is no reward being offered, just a challenge—and the satisfaction of knowing that your brain power might help bring a killer to justice. [b]“Even if we found out that he was writing a grocery list :v: or a love letter,” Olson said, “we would still want to see how the code is solved. This is a cipher system we know nothing about.”[/b][/quote]

thought these were interesting: [QUOTE]This is not a true code. This is an uneducated drug dealer's shorthand. It breaks down who he sells to, how much he sells, a short description of how he knows them, recognizes them, or if he doesn't know them. Want to solve it? Talk to a narc or street cop that remembers St. Louis back in 1999. "NCBE" that commonly shows up could easily be Nose Candy Buys Eightball or NiCkel Bag Everyday. ------- Page 1: This page is cleaner and was his original list of customers and states what they buy and how often. There weren't that many and he knows them well so he took the time to make it nice and neat. Opening Parentheses is literally the title of his drug list. Paragraph 1 - A run on sentence of people and what they buy. Paragraph 2 (all in parentheses) - individual orders for people living all on the same block or apartment building. No directions needed because he is very familiar with the place. 71, 74, and 75 are house or apartment #s. Paragraph 3 - last 2 lines of the page. Two custom orders Page 2: This was made as he expanded his sales reach. It was made after the fact because he was having trouble remembering everyone and where to go. He jotted it down fast and divided the sections because he constantly had to use it as a reference of who to sell to, how much to sell, and where he was supposed to go to do it. Paragraph 1 - individuals he sells to and how much. The two with XL at the end are for Extra Large. These customers get the most bang for their buck. Paragraph 2 - a group of people he sells to that are all in once place. That's what the hyphens are for. It's a "crew" Paragraph 3 - These are directions. Some of these people he had to make driven deliveries and these are directions so he doesn't forget. Paragraphs 4 and 5 - Notes to himself, special instructions for somebody's drug order that he doesn't want to forget And that's it. Find out which of these junkies killed him now.[/QUOTE] from [url]http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread682092/pg3[/url] EDIT: also heres a quote from another guy on the same page [QUOTE]I think the idea of this being a list of drug clients and the specifics of the 'deals' has some validity. NCBE could stand for No Cash Being Exchanged... There are several other groups of letters that repeat, also SEN the letters RLSE in different orders CBRN PRSE WLD and of course the NCBE I want to believe that it is more than instructions for drug deals, but it will take a lot of figuring if it's something else. Maybe these repetitive letter combos are irrelevant, except to identify the real letters. For example, if we see CBRN a lot, maybe if we see CABRN, that would mean that the A is significant. If this were the case, he would need several different sets of letters to use for confusion because if we saw one particular set too many times, we would be able to tell that this was their purpose. I also noticed that while most of the sets of letters are exact, the order of the RLSE gets switched around a lot...maybe the different combinations of this set of letters tells us something. I hope we come up with something here.[/QUOTE] and (unrelated to the previous 2 quotes) [QUOTE]So far this is what I have (my apologies in advance if anyone has already posted this, but I'm too lazy to go through all of the 3468 comments posted thus far to verify): On the page titled "NOTES", the first 2 lines: ALPNTE GLSE - SE ERTE VLSE MTSE - CTSE - WSE - FRTSE This is an address and phone number for the Missouri Institute for Mental Health, which is located in St. Louis, MO where the man Ricky McCormick who was murdered on June 30 1999 is from, according to the FBI help request (I have yet to find any old articles that talk about the details of this murder btw) Address & Phone confirmed with Yahoo Maps: 5400 - ARSENAL STREET - (314) 877-6400 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The three lines underneath that address...so far I got from it "PO DEPUE" (if you take every letter within these 3 lines that proceed the letter "N": PNRTRSE ONDRSE WLD NCBE NWLD XLRCMSP NEWLD STS ME XL DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXL I Googled "podepue" and "missouri" and I got results for Susan Depue, Sr. Research Specialist at the Missouri Institute for Mental Health (Interesting huh?) The other information so far that I am getting from this first "paragraph" circled, is that this individual is talking about the nurse in charge, or the "PO" administered; meaning Per Os (mental health jargon meaning medication taken by mouth), that was given to him was the wrong dosage (thus reference to XL), sort of like Effexor XL or Welbutrin, but the dosage was given incorrectly which caused him great troubles or something like that; probably a psychotic reaction or serious health problems from this "error" or possible intentional experimentation on him. This paragraph is basically starting out by explaining what happened to him as a mental health patient and the improper dosage given. That is all I have so far...the rest is slowly coming along...the first page that I haven't started on yet, well this is a sort of diary of events from him travelling and doing something I can't tell what just yet, but you get a lot of driving directions and coordinates to a location. I'm going to bed now. Goodnight. I hope this helps. Thanks for your time reading this. Take care. JCM0511 email: dannysantopiettro at yahoo [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I keep trying to post a reply explaining how I get this info but its taking too long to type and when someone replies it all gets erased, so I'll try to be quick and save what I write as I go along....also, I want to make clear that I dont care about getting credit, just solving this tragic event...finally, if you have never worked with children with autism, you may not understand the logic or find yourself frustrated I first noticed the hyphens on page 2 and quickly identified that as a set of numbers; phone number, address, or social..etc. Remember, Mr McCormick created this language as a child, and therefore you MUST think as a child: ALPNTE GLSE - SE ERTE VLSE MTSE - CTSE - WSE - FRTSE I started with breaking up CTSE-WSE-FRTSE I then associated numbers to letters: A=1, B=2, etc. (I have now noticed people posting this on the thread so others are doing the same thing now, so I feel even more confident now) Starting with CTSE C=3 T=20 S=19 E=5 *Keep 3 because it is the first number and smallest* T-S=1 E-1=4 (See how I repeated that twice? That is the "law" of 2 and you'll see it again and again in this code, and its the reason he repeats letters twice in patterns.) ------------------------- WSE; W=23, S=19, E=5 23-19=4 (the law of 2) add 4+4=8, then 19-5=14(the law of 2) 14/2=7 again...(the law of 2) You get two 7's....the answer is 877! ------------ Finally, I did it a 3rd time and got 314-877-6400 THEN I Googled the phone number (for the gentleman who accused me of being a farce) and found the Missouri Institute for Mental Health with that phone number...I quickly noticed the address as Arsenal Street and found those letters within the code: ALPNTE GLSE - SE ERTE VLSE MTSE = Arsenal Street (You use the same A twice b/c it is the first letter and the law of 2 remember?) NOTE: If you are a computer scientist or math teacher and are pulling your hair out right now, then you will now realize why the FBI is asking for help, right? You don't use logic, you use children-like rules, which is sort of how the mind of some people work, such as autism champs! LOL Finally, after you use those letters to get Arsenal Street....the remaining letters are: PGLSETEVLSEME = 5400 (using the same math formula for the phone number and always, the law of 2!) Coincidence? I get 5400 Arsenal Street 314-877-6400 Now, here is the tricky part...the next paragraph then changes "laws"...its no longer the law of 2 and the alphabet...its a game where you find the letters before a repeating letter: Here is the next 3 lines: PNRTRSE ONDRSE WLD NCBE NWLD XLRCMSP NEWLD STS ME XL DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXL I immediately noticed the "N"s and wrote out all letters before the N's: PODEPUE NOW...I Googled PODEPUE...and got nothing...then I googled "podepue" and "missouri" and I got Susan Depue from the Missouri Institue for Mental Health. So for the gentleman who thought I had the answers and then Googled to make the answers fit (that doesnt even make logical sense does it?)...that's how I found her name in the pattern and confirmed with Google her association with the letter code.... Finally, I didnt even have to keep doing that, just kept staring at the code and I got the medications being wrong, the "mg" letters you'll see (after separating the "bad" letters), you'll get a message about the wrong dosage (see XL? He's talking about medications because I've gone through this where pharmacies think XR instead of XL, or EL, and that could cause you a serious health problem). Get it? The paragraph below that seems to be a social security number or numerical code, the page titled "NOTES" is all incriminating evidence to point to the people responsible for hurting this man, the first page are directions, or a diary of where he travelled and what he did, and once all that is solved you'll get a story about the crime committed[/QUOTE] from yahoo but quoted on [url]http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread682092/pg4[/url] must try harder facepunch!!

Also a great way to find talented people to recruit.

[QUOTE=gregvizz;28896641] OTFRNEN[B]P[/B]KNSENPBSERCBRNSENPRSEINC [/QUOTE] Truth be told I don't see how that's a P. You also get an actual P and that character in the fourth line, about the middle, the difference is clear, especially when compared to the other P-s in there. Shorthand, I'd say.

[QUOTE=gregvizz;28896941]guys if you want use this list [editline]30th March 2011[/editline] will make corrections with time, contribute to the list please guys[/QUOTE] [code]NCBE (18) WLD (13) PRSE (7) RCBRN (7), RCBRNSE (6) WLDNCBE (6) MRSE (3) NMRSE (2), NPRSE(2), NCRSE (1), NARSE (1) NMRE (2) SOLE (2) INC (2)[/code] Credit to "beyondstandard" for most of these (see page 4). I added what you had that wasn't already there, gregvizz, and also added standalone MRSE (which appears once more than NMRSE).

shorthand? FUCK THAT [editline]30th March 2011[/editline] wld is a name of something dunno

I shifted the whole thing by all simple shifts (1-25 chars) and it doesn't look anymore helpful. Lost formatting as well. I'll upload if anyone's interested. Used the text posted on first page.

When did Facepunch turn into expert codebreakers?

[QUOTE=Murkat;28897286]When did Facepunch turn into expert codebreakers?[/QUOTE]yesterday

[QUOTE=Murkat;28897286]When did Facepunch turn into expert codebreakers?[/QUOTE] Since this was posted.

The FBI should have went directly to /b/. This would have been cracked within minutes.

[QUOTE=StephWAII;28889666]By the way, I've noticed many people have gotten the victim, Ricky McCormick, confused with Richard A. McCormick, a moral theologist who died in February of 2000. I'm assuming this is where you got all of the information about a mental hospital? Wrong.[/QUOTE] Where did the information about a mental institution [I]first[/I] come from, anyway?

Good lord this is fascinating. :allears:

[QUOTE=Hotespresso;28889171]You don't need all that, just put on the matrix screensaver and make sure you hit the keyboard really fast. And frown like you try really hard to do something. [img_thumb]http://www.google.nl/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://i.imgur.com/QItWV.jpg&sa=X&ei=feaSTY2QJsbrOevo6XU&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGkmvloIMte1Oi0zHTJILfcXAJqMQ[/img_thumb] Look at all those advanced programs running in the background, they must be pros. If the FBI couldn't do it then we don't stand a chance.[/QUOTE] If I worked for the FBI and knew I was going to be asked questions by a news company I would intentionally put on a Matrix screensaver.

The note is definitely short hand. Someone posted earlier that the body was found in a field the acronym WLD [b]could[/b] be Wild Life Department. [QUOTE=l33tkill;28886873]Was he leaving a note for himself? If so he wouldn't go through all that trouble to encrypt something too complex. Maybe it's so damn easy that no one would ever think about using a simple concept to decrypt it.[/QUOTE] He had been using the code since he was a child which means at the time of death, it was a natural action for him to take and write in code. I doubt that this note is anything more than his personal notes. I would still like to see what it says though.

[QUOTE=haloguy234;28897730]If I worked for the FBI and knew I was going to be asked questions by a news company I would intentionally put on a Matrix screensaver.[/QUOTE] Specially :foxnews:

Had another look through my shifts. CTFXL (third line, about 4/5 across) when shifted by 7 chars, becomes JAMES

[QUOTE=cheater99;28897866]Had another look through my shifts. CTFXL (third line, about 4/5 across) when shifted by 7 chars, becomes JAMES[/QUOTE]:aaa: oh boy.

[QUOTE=cheater99;28897866]Had another look through my shifts. CTFXL (third line, about 4/5 across) when shifted by 7 chars, becomes JAMES[/QUOTE] [img]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfzpkiB3LC1qafrh6.gif[/img]

that is a parathesesis

[QUOTE=cheater99;28897866]Had another look through my shifts. CTFXL (third line, about 4/5 across) when shifted by 7 chars, becomes JAMES[/QUOTE] Could you post the entirety of it? Wait, no, SleeperCell is right. It's a parenthesis. If it wasn't, then there would be a sole closing parenthesis that didn't actually close anything. (end of line 3) Could you still post your shifts, though?

[QUOTE=cheater99;28897866]Had another look through my shifts. CTFXL (third line, about 4/5 across) when shifted by 7 chars, becomes JAMES[/QUOTE] Holy shit. You are a legend.

Did they check the news paper from the time of the murder? maybe he used they daily cryptoquip to encode the message!

A fail on my part then :/ Uploaded it anyways [url]http://www.sendspace.com/file/bgxjia[/url]

awww.... AMES? AMES is still a last name. :<

this is ricky apparently [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/30/article-1371604-0B6866DD00000578-893_306x382.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371604/FBI-asks-code-breakers-help-solving-murder-Ricky-McCormick.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Murkat;28897286]When did Facepunch turn into expert codebreakers?[/QUOTE] Facepunch are expert of whatever is current.

[QUOTE=ionuttzu;28883251]Fuck this, it's basically almost impossible to decypher this without knowing what each word/s mean, I mean how the hell can you guess? You have to make thousands upon thousands of guesses till you'll somehow manage to get to something that makes sense[/QUOTE] Why do you think the man who cracked PURPLE went crazy?