• Russell Crowe sorry after anti-circumcision tweets
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[QUOTE=STeel;30384752]I once fell asleep and during the sleep I had my foreskin exposed, it dried out temporarily and was already a lot less sensitive, so I'd say that at least for me this claim is quite well founded.[/QUOTE] great anecdotal evidence bro
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30384451]if there were little consequence to raping babies at birth then yes it would be totally fine to rape babies[/QUOTE] [b]BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA[/b] I... I [b]BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA[/b][QUOTE=PunchedInFac;30384618]I think you're a little pissed about your circumsicion and that is affecting your view. I'm also circumsised but I don't really care or think what my life could have been like if I didn't. Fact is, I don't really care as long as I still have my penis.[/QUOTE] I think you're a little pissed about your earlobe being cut off and that is affecting your view. I also had my earlobe cut off but I don't really care or think what my life could have been like if I didn't. Fact is, I don't really care as long as I still have my ear.
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30384760]great anecdotal evidence bro[/QUOTE] That was evident enough for me to know there is a difference. It's actually very related to your psychologically conducted test, seeing as it's purely about feel reported by men. So there's my report.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;30384755]No link to the study, or any way to easily look it up, kinda defeats its usefulness. What was the methodology? What was the confidence interval?[/QUOTE] [url]http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:qqCW1ZG4pDAJ:www.binik-lab.com/pdf/paynejsm.pdf+Dr.+Kimberley+Payne+Psychology+of+McGill+University+in+Montreal&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShEhcDHpvbhEHmfst_C_PYvdqQ2C0rgPz6UvBvwRTMmAeM6ZHVvReNMdTDvqq3c7ZUPM8qtfubFUXf3H14ATVKTV_A3Mtdb931kF0tL0t31nHcCzeNaKq-QyKW64EZXETNYcWQP&sig=AHIEtbQqzwlevyA-WEIHMnSl2RqNiEWPVA[/url] [editline]11th June 2011[/editline] [url]http://www.goldjournal.net/article/S0090-4295%2804%2901343-3/abstract[/url] another study that says chopping up dicks doesn't effect dick sensations
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30384729]hahaha suck my circumcised cock:[/QUOTE] Lol, one study (which contains no statistics) can't disprove several studies that prove there's a difference. [url]http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/pdf/sorrells_2007.pdf[/url] [quote]RESULTS The glans of the uncircumcised men had significantly lower mean ( SEM ) pressure thresholds than that of the circumcised men, at 0.161 (0.078) g ( P = 0.040) when controlled for age, location of measurement, type of underwear worn, and ethnicity. There were significant differences in pressure thresholds by location on the penis ( P < 0.001). The most sensitive location on the circumcised penis was the circumcision scar on the ventral surface. Five locations on the uncircumcised penis that are routinely removed at circumcision had lower pressure thresholds than the ventral scar of the circumcised penis. CONCLUSIONS The glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. The transitional region from the external to the internal prepuce is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis. Circumcision ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis.[/quote]
If I'm ever a celebrity, I'd support what I support, condemn what I condemn; fuck anyone who has a problem with it. If what I believe is true, then I have nothing to be sorry for, and nothing to fear from the outrage of people who are fundamentally wrong. What? My position as an atheist makes a couple people NOT want to see the otherwise engaging film I star in? Fuck 'em. I don't want your dollar.
one advantage of circumcision: chicks dig scars
Also: [url]http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/boyle5/[/url] [quote]The combined sample (n = 77) reported that circumcised male partners were unhappy with their circumcisions significantly more often than were genitally intact sexual partners (p < .05). Also, their circumcised partners experienced significant progressive decline in glans sensitivity (p < .001), and had to use significantly different techniques when masturbating (p < .001). Circumcised partners more often resorted to unsafe sexual practices; they were significantly more likely to engage in anal intercourse (p < .05), and significantly more reluctant to use condoms (p < .05). Respondents reported significantly higher mean discontent among their circumcised partners than among their genitally intact partners (p < .05). As compared with genitally intact men, circumcised men reported significantly greater dissatisfaction with their orgasms. (p < .05) and a wide range of negative emotions associated with being circumcised (p < .05). Previous research indicates women enjoy intercourse better with genitally intact men (9, O'Hara & O'Hara, 2001, see above). In view of the present findings based on self-selected participants, the possible negative effects on adults' sexual function and psychological well-being need to be discussed in obtaining informed consent for circumcision (sexual reduction surgery) imposed on unconsenting male minors. Much larger representative samples are desirable.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Zachary1392;30384811]Lol, one study (which contains no statistics) can't disprove several studies that prove there's a difference. [url]http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/pdf/sorrells_2007.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] glad you read the study you posted [quote][b]]Additional study with vibratory, hot and cold thresholds on a wider variety of positions on the penis is needed. Furthermore, development of a reliable method of measuring dynamic sensation is needed to identify, elucidate and quantify the sensory capacity of the various nerve endings in all parts of the penis, and to provide a greater understanding of the dynamic sensory interplay between the various parts of the uncircumcised penis during sexual activity. Finally, prospective real-time stopwatch assessments of the IELT at coitus in men, investigated in the laboratory by the Semmes- Weinstein touch test, would provide additional objective information of their sexual and particularly ejaculatory performance. Long-term monitoring of numerous factors of sexual pattern, including sexual pattern films, would provide additional information.[/b] Ideally, such investigations could be undertaken on adult subjects before and after elective circumcision, and in whom there is no preoperative pathology. [/quote] my first study has all those fancy dick warmers and dick vibrators [editline]11th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zachary1392;30384870]Also: [url]http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/boyle5/[/url][/QUOTE] you know the majority of men are unhappy with their dicks right?
The fact of the matter is, you're losing around 20,000 nerve endings through circumcision. Of course there's going to be a loss of sensitivity. How could you even argue against this? Plus it makes sense that something (in this case, the glans) would lose sensitivity over time due to constant friction (since it's always exposed).
[QUOTE=Zachary1392;30384929]The fact of the matter is, you're losing around 20,000 nerve endings through circumcision. Of course there's going to be a loss of sensitivity. How could you even argue against this?[/QUOTE] well you could check out the two studies I posted above
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30384908]glad you read the study you posted my first study has all those fancy dick warmers and dick vibrators you know the majority of men are unhappy with their dicks right?[/QUOTE] What, the study that says this at the end? [quote]In sum, the present study found no difference in genital sensation between uncircumcised and cir- cumcised men. [b]In light of these &#64257;ndings, the examination of penile sensory differences between uncircumcised and circumcised men warrants further study via a replication with a larger sample size including the measurement of multiple sensory modalities over multiple penile locations (comprising those believed to be directly affected by circumcision). The &#64257;nding of a difference in physiological sexual arousal pattern as measured by surface skin temperature also requires further investigation. Namely, the relationship between penile surface skin temperature and penile circum- ference, volume, and/or rigidity needs to be estab- lished. This would help clarify whether the observed difference can be attributed to functional or anatomical differences between uncircumcised and circumcised men.[/b][/quote] That's the one from your first link.
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30384930]well you could check out the two studies I posted above[/QUOTE] Well you could check out the several studies that prove there is a difference. In fact, have you ever heard of foreskin restoration? People can restore their foreskin, and they all say it makes a huge difference. [quote]I'm amazed at the ignorance of people who simply can't understand that the vascular and neural damage that is circumcision ALWAYS diminishes sexual sensitivity. The foreskin with its 10,000 to 20,000 nerve endings is amputated by circumcision. Nerves are severed, and other nerve endings on the penis damaged. Veins and blood vessels are severed, permanently disrupting the normal penile blood flow. Scar tissue is formed. Finally, the glans dries out and keratinizes, turning dry and tough. The glans of the male who hasn't been circumcised is satiny smooth and shiny, and has complete sensitivity. I know from personal experience. I lost more than the usual 50-75% of sexual sensitivity because of the damage from circumcision. I was unaware of the reason for my diminished sensitivity until I found out about foreskin restoration. (you can google it) Now that I have a foreskin again, it has vastly improved my sensitivity and function, and orgasms are much more intense than I ever thought possible. Restoration won't repair the permanent nerve and vascular damage, but it does improve sensitivity, and it feels so much better--more like the way that nature intended. But most circumcised men are not aware of their diminished sensitivity, as sex still feels good to them, but they don't have any concept of the sensitivity and sensations that were taken from them along with their foreskins. Circumcision is penis damage. A foreskin is not a birth defect; it is a birthright.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30384908]you know the majority of men are unhappy with their dicks right?[/QUOTE] Statistically significant result disagrees with your dismissal. At this point, you two are in a study war, trying to get more studies than each other. That will get no where between you, as it's obvious different studies can find statistically significant results that are utterly incompatible. It seems that a much larger study, with more known-effective-measurements needs to be located or performed to be able to guarantee which position is correct.
[QUOTE=Last or First;30384935]What, the study that says this at the end? That's the one from your first link.[/QUOTE] you're bolding unimportant shit there are only a few important bits there and they say fairly normal research shit [editline]11th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zachary1392;30384946]Well you could check out the several studies that prove there is a difference. In fact, have you ever heard of foreskin restoration? People can restore their foreskin, and they all say it makes a huge difference.[/QUOTE] self reporting is in no way reliable, in fact one of the studies you linked to says that
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;30384283]It's easier for it to just be done at a baby's age, it's like they don't go through the pain at all because you don't remember it[/QUOTE] actually there is something called emotional memory and its *possible* that having pain inflicted in such way without anesthetic can impact the mental development if the child. its only speculation on whether or not circumcision itself would cause this effect, but when you look at other things that DO have this effect, there is a reasonable chance. for instance, an adopted child abandoned before he had memory will still have a feeling of abandonment well after the fact. Physical abuse or mental abuse (in the form of arguing in the home) will result it negative impacts on the persons behavior in the future. In addition, behavior differences have been linked back to fetuses still in the womb. the amount and types of nutrients they get basically tells the fetus what kind of world it is, and the fetus adapts the brain and body to this world. this is an emerging science of course. If your interested in this i recommend looking up Dr. Gabor Maté and some of his books.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;30384947]Statistically significant result disagrees with your dismissal. At this point, you two are in a study war, trying to get more studies than each other. That will get no where between you, as it's obvious different studies can find statistically significant results that are utterly incompatible. It seems that a much larger study, with more known-effective-measurements needs to be located or performed to be able to guarantee which position is correct.[/QUOTE] agreed, although I don't care about getting a massive amount of studies i'm too drunk for that
as for the question of circumcision itself, it should never be done until the child has an understanding of it (or its needed for some kind of medical problem). There is clearly no consensus on whether or not its healthier or feels better or anything like that, so we need to default to choice on the individual human level until more science emerges.
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30384967]you're bolding unimportant shit there are only a few important bits there and they say fairly normal research shit[/QUOTE] Dude. You bitched at him for his study stating that "additional research is required", stating that your first linked study was better. I just showed you that the study you were touting as better also said that additional research was required. And now you're saying that that's "unimportant". Hypocrite.
[QUOTE=Last or First;30385000]Dude. You bitched at him for his study stating that "additional research is required", stating that your first linked study was better. I just showed you that the study you were touting as better also said that additional research was required. And now you're saying that that's "unimportant". Hypocrite.[/QUOTE] lol no i said the study didn't test vibrations and heat which the first study i linked to did, sorry im drunk [highlight](User was banned for this post ("PUI" - Starpluck))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30385009]lol no i said the study didn't test vibrations and heat which the first study i linked to did, sorry im drunk[/QUOTE] PUI
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30384974]agreed, although I don't care about getting a massive amount of studies i'm too drunk for that[/QUOTE] [quote]The sexual effects of circumcision are the subject of much debate. The American Academy of Pediatrics points to a survey (self-report) finding circumcised adult men had less sexual dysfunction and more varied sexual practices, but also noted anecdotal reports that penile sensation and sexual satisfaction are decreased for circumcised males.[72] A 2002 review by Boyle et al. stated that "the genitally intact male has thousands of fine touch receptors and other highly erogenous nerve endings&#8212;many of which are lost to circumcision, with an inevitable reduction in sexual sensation experienced by circumcised males." They concluded, "intercourse is less satisfying for both partners when the man is circumcised".[134] In January 2007, The American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) stated "The effect of circumcision on penile sensation or sexual satisfaction is unknown. Because the epithelium of a circumcised glans becomes cornified, and because some feel nerve over-stimulation leads to desensitization, many believe that the glans of a circumcised penis is less sensitive. [...] No valid evidence to date, however, supports the notion that being circumcised affects sexual sensation or satisfaction."[122] Payne et al. reported that direct measurement of penile sensation in the shaft and glans during sexual arousal failed to support the hypothesised sensory differences associated with circumcision status.[135] In a 2007 study, Sorrells et al., using monofilament touch-test mapping, found that the foreskin contains the most sensitive parts of the penis, noting that these parts are lost to circumcision. They also found that "the glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine-touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis."[136] In a 2008 study, Krieger et al. found that 'compared to before they were circumcised, 64.0% of circumcised men reported their penis was &#8220;much more sensitive,&#8221; and 54.5% rated their ease of reaching orgasm as &#8220;much more&#8221; at month 24'.[137][/quote] I'd say most studies lean to the "circumcision means less sensitivity" side. When you're losing thousands of nerve endings, it makes sense, don't you think?
So the whole thing is that circumcision is bad for babies and they can't say no. what about circumcision on and man aged 10 - 50 as a medical treatment?
[QUOTE=Zachary1392;30385025]I'd say most studies lean to the "circumcision means less sensitivity" side. When you're losing thousands of nerve endings, it makes sense, don't you think?[/QUOTE] it really doesn't matter what popular scientific opinion is, if theres a damn good study floating around that goes against popular opinion then uh you shouldnt look it over. and your saying losing nerve endings will decrease sensation and all that is common sense, but the idea of common sense has been raped over and over again by scientific fact. just because something seems right doesn't mean it is.
[QUOTE=asna;30385053]So the whole thing is that circumcision is bad for babies and they can't say no. what about circumcision on and man aged 10 - 50 as a medical treatment?[/QUOTE] I'm only against forced circumcision on babies. There are however some cases where circumcision is necessary, but this is rare. When someone is old enough to make that decision for himself, he should be allowed to be circumcised if he wants.
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30385066]it really doesn't matter what popular scientific opinion is, if theres a damn good study floating around that goes against popular opinion then uh you shouldnt look it over. and your saying losing nerve endings will decrease sensation and all that is common sense, but the idea of common sense has been raped over and over again by scientific fact. just because something seems right doesn't mean it is.[/QUOTE] This popular scientific belief is is coming from the lots of studies around it. To quote you: "a damn good study floating around" that backs it up and this common sense you speak of is also from a scientific fact - Nerves are what causes you to physically feel things. I'm not even denying the countering studies, it's not like they'd deliberately lie about their results, I do wonder what causes the difference between their results, and the results of a countering study. But I do choose to go by what seems right to me and makes sense to me.
i feel sorry for circ'd people they so insecure
[QUOTE=layla;30385076]i feel sorry for circ'd people[/QUOTE] why
[QUOTE=layla;30385076]i feel sorry for circ'd people[/QUOTE] Why? I am not sorry for myself. Why should i.
thanks for proving my point
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