Donald Trump asks for voters to raise their right hand and "swear an oath" to vote for him - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49877598][URL]https://mobile.twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/704422929396682752[/URL] Holy shit he's raising his hand and asking people to vote for him, let the press know we got another Hitler on our hands.[/QUOTE] The amount of times Bernie uses the word Revolution, targeting the bourgeoisie, and imagery/language like that, it's like he seriously wants to be called a Communist

[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49877276]that is absolutely not true. and regardless of that, it [I]wouldnt have happened[/I] at any other rallies. its weird how everything related to trump is written off as "oh if anyone else said/did it, nobody would care." but the fact is, no other candidates are doing things like this???[/QUOTE] [url]http://imgur.com/a/YZ4G9[/url] obviously some of these are just stupid mid-wave pictures that coincidentally look like the salute, but regardless it [I]doesnt matter[/I]. there is nothing wrong with getting bored at a rally and trying to do something to, you know, rally people. you're acting like he said he was going to execute all minorities, except in reality he had them do a fucking pledge. [editline]e[/editline] like seriously, I'm sick of reading this shit. it's childish as fuck. can't people just form an argument about his policies and views instead of doing pathetic sensationalist garbage like calling him a fucking neo-nazi [thumb]http://blogs.cfr.org/asia/files/2013/01/ObamaInauguration2.jpg[/thumb] wow, look at that fucking [I]nazi pig[/I].

[QUOTE=wystan;49877602]The amount of times Bernie uses the word Revolution, targeting the bourgeoisie, and imagery/language like that, it's like he seriously wants to be called a Communist[/QUOTE] And nobody reports on it, weird...

It's almost like the 'red scare' ended back with the cold war for the rest of the world, Lump. Almost as if.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877623]It's almost like the 'red scare' ended back with the cold war for the rest of the world, Lump. Almost as if.[/QUOTE] You think people are still afraid of Hitler? You know he died, right?

[QUOTE=wystan;49877593]You can't pretend to know that, my assumption is way more plausible. If any other candidate asked for a pledge you know the people attending would. So let me guess, you just think the fact Trump asked for a physical show of confidence is somehow of note and totally newsworthy. This is grasping at straws.[/QUOTE] i can say the same to you. you have no idea how other rallies would go if they attempted that either. so lets drop this non-conversation where we're both pretending to know things.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49877630]You think people are still afraid of Hitler? You know he died, right?[/QUOTE] Hitler - Responsible for genocide. Communism - IT AIN'T DEMOCRACY SO IT AIN'T GOT NO PLACE IN AMURRKA ???????????? Edit: I mean, showing a worrying number of traits to one is objectively worse than the other. I don't think anyone would argue that being Hitler-esque is a good thing.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877637]Hitler - Responsible for genocide. Communism - IT AIN'T DEMOCRACY SO IT AIN'T GOT NO PLACE IN AMURRKA ????????????[/QUOTE] I agree that the communist comparison is irrelevant, although it's not exactly hard to see why people don't trust the system as it's never been implemented without mass corruption, and if it has, it's not public knowledge. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes[/url] [QUOTE=Anti Christ;49877633]i can say the same to you. you have no idea how other rallies would go if they attempted that either. so lets drop this non-conversation where we're both pretending to know things.[/QUOTE] They're called rallies for a reason. They're basically political circlejerks.

[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49877633]i can say the same to you. you have no idea how other rallies would go if they attempted that either. so lets drop this non-conversation where we're both pretending to know things.[/QUOTE] Do you seriously believe that at a rally for any candidate, which is already filled with supporters of said candidate, that they wouldn't show some sign of commitment to the cause if asked, you know, since they're already there. Rallies don't tend to vary that much, unless you're like Bernie and you get bullied off your own stage by a couple of women. [editline]6th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Dissolution;49877647]I agree that the communist comparison is irrelevant, although it's not exactly hard to see why people don't trust the system. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes[/url][/QUOTE] What is the Great Purge? What is The Great Leap Forward? Don't think for a second that Communism isn't worse than Fascism/Nazism.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877637]Hitler - Responsible for genocide. Communism - IT AIN'T DEMOCRACY SO IT AIN'T GOT NO PLACE IN AMURRKA ????????????[/QUOTE] Are you really defending communism? It's estimated Mao Zedong killed ~78 million people. Tell me that's not genocide, tell me that's not worse than the Nazis.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49877659]Are you really defending communism? It's estimated Mao Zedong killed ~78 million people.[/QUOTE] Communism is a social, economic, and political standpoint. It's not a conscious entity that makes a decision to [B][I][U]murder, torture, or terrorize anyone.[/U][/I][/B] It's not Communism that made Mao Zedong do anything. It was Mao Zedong being evil. Just like it was Hitler being evil. Edit: I'd like to point out that through the fact you're endorsing someone that is fully willing to torture for information, you are consciously being more evil than Communism, which you so demonize.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877669]Communism is a social, economic, and political standpoint. It's not a conscious entity that makes a decision to [B][I][U]murder, torture, or terrorize anyone.[/U][/I][/B] It's not Communism that made Mao Zedong do anything. It was Mao Zedong being evil. Just like it was Hitler being evil.[/QUOTE] Communism gets people killed. More so than even Fascism or Nazism.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877669]Communism is a social, economic, and political standpoint. It's not a conscious entity that makes a decision to [B][I][U]murder, torture, or terrorize anyone.[/U][/I][/B] It's not Communism that made Mao Zedong do anything. It was Mao Zedong being evil. Just like it was Hitler being evil. Edit: I'd like to point out that through the fact you're endorsing someone that is fully willing to torture for information, you are consciously being more evil than Communism, which you so demonize.[/QUOTE] You clearly don't know what the Great Leap Forward was.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877669]Communism is a social, economic, and political standpoint. It's not a conscious entity that makes a decision to [B][I][U]murder, torture, or terrorize anyone.[/U][/I][/B] It's not Communism that made Mao Zedong do anything. It was Mao Zedong being evil. Just like it was Hitler being evil. Edit: [B]I'd like to point out that through the fact you're endorsing someone that is fully willing to torture for information, you are consciously being more evil than Communism, which you so demonize.[/B][/QUOTE] Please show me the objective ranking scale for evil and where torture and Communism fall on that. The fact that you have to resort to this "argument" shows you have nothing. Torturing one person in the hope it can save hundreds or thousands is not comparable to the literal millions killed by Communist policies.

[QUOTE=wystan;49877650]What is the Great Purge? What is The Great Leap Forward? Don't think for a second that Communism isn't worse than Fascism/Nazism.[/QUOTE] I'm completely aware of the atrocities committed by Communist parties. The point was that it's not inherently evil, it's just extremely easily corruptible and extremely shitty people implement it because of how easy it is to take advantage of, and how good it sounds on paper to the disadvantaged people in a society. The core difference is that the likelihood of Bernie Sanders plotting to overthrow America and implement an Orwellian dictatorship isn't exactly high. He legitimately wants to help America and he believes that's how it'll happen, despite the fact that I completely disagree that's the answer and I don't think it's something that can reasonably happen in a 4-year presidency, I'm not going to immediately condemn it as an evil plan.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877669]Communism is a social, economic, and political standpoint. It's not a conscious entity that makes a decision to [B][I][U]murder, torture, or terrorize anyone.[/U][/I][/B] It's not Communism that made Mao Zedong do anything. It was Mao Zedong being evil. Just like it was Hitler being evil. Edit: I'd like to point out that through the fact you're endorsing someone that is fully willing to torture for information, you are consciously being more evil than Communism, which you so demonize.[/QUOTE] I'd like to point out that torture is used to get information, not be fucking genocide. If you do it right nobody dies, unlike genocide.

[QUOTE=Dissolution;49877684]I'm completely aware of the atrocities committed by Communist parties. The point was that it's not inherently evil, it's just extremely easily corruptible and bad people implement it because of how easy it is to take advantage of, and how good it sounds on paper to the disadvantaged people in a society.[/QUOTE] This is the point I've been trying to make. Communism is not an inherently evil idea, it's the people that turn it evil. [editline]6th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49877692]I'd like to point out that torture is used to get information, not be fucking genocide. If you do it right nobody dies, unlike genocide.[/QUOTE] Torture is always an unacceptable measure you sociopath.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877697]This is the point I've been trying to make. Communism is not an inherently evil idea, it's the people that turn it evil. [editline]6th March 2016[/editline] Torture is always an unacceptable measure you sociopath.[/QUOTE] Why?

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877697]This is the point I've been trying to make. Communism is not an inherently evil idea, it's the people that turn it evil. [editline]6th March 2016[/editline] Torture is always an unacceptable measure you sociopath.[/QUOTE] Instead of torturing one piece of shit to get information on a mass shooting we should just let all of the innocent people die, we don't want a terrorist to feel uncomfortable. I don't follow your logic.

[QUOTE=wystan;49877708]Why?[/QUOTE] The fact you have to ask why an abhorrent thing is abhorrent is a testament to how out of touch with humanity you are.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877713]The fact you have to ask why an abhorrent thing is abhorrent is a testament to how out of touch with humanity you are.[/QUOTE] If it's always unacceptable no matter what it should be easy to answer.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49877710]Instead of torturing one piece of shit to get information on a mass shooting we should just let all of the innocent people die, we don't want a terrorist to feel uncomfortable.[/QUOTE] And how often do you think they'd feed misinformation just to get people to stop torturing them? Or what if you torture the wrong person? You're so misguided and deep in the hole you can't even see the failure possible [I]in[/I] torturing someone.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877719]And how often do you think they'd feed misinformation just to get people to stop torturing them? Or what if you torture the wrong person? You're so misguided and deep in the hole you can't even see the failure possible [I]in[/I] torturing someone.[/QUOTE] I would bet almost never since we keep doing it.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49877717]If it's always unacceptable no matter what it should be easy to answer.[/QUOTE] Yes it is. As easy as 'what color is the grass?' [B]Because normal human beings have a moral compass. Torture tends to fall on the 'bad' side of things.[/B]

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877713]The fact you have to ask why an abhorrent thing is abhorrent is a testament to how out of touch with humanity you are.[/QUOTE] So what you're saying is you don't have a reason?

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49877729]I would bet almost never since we keep doing it.[/QUOTE] I don't even know what to say to this. Are you seeing a therapist? A psychologist or something? You really should consider it. It scares me knowing you're out and about in every day life.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877731]Yes it is. As easy as 'what color is the grass?' [B]Because normal human beings have a moral compass. Torture tends to fall on the 'bad' side of things.[/B][/QUOTE] But Mao's communist genocide is okay? Again, people don't die if you torture correctly. I don't understand how you can defend genocide and be against torture.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877731]Yes it is. As easy as 'what color is the grass?' [B]Because normal human beings have a moral compass. Torture tends to fall on the 'bad' side of things.[/B][/QUOTE] Would you not torture a known terrorist if there was even a chance it could save American lives?

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877738]I don't even know what to say to this. Are you seeing a therapist? A psychologist or something? You really should consider it. It scares me knowing you're out and about in every day life.[/QUOTE] I guess if you had some facts that say otherwise you could throw some of those at me, if not keep acting shocked. [editline]6th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=wystan;49877742]Would you not torture a known terrorist if there was even a chance it could save American lives?[/QUOTE] Kyle keeps dodging this question, I wonder why?

i love the argument that communism has gotten X number of people killed. how many people have died in america because of our precious capitalism? how many die because they cant afford healthcare or food? by no means is this a comprehensive list, but its a start. [url]http://www.petersaysstuff.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/[/url] [quote]Ignoring other big wars due to capitalism and only focusing on US action and only including one year for things that are systemic (ie. poverty), which is being really damn conservative because Japan engaged in brutal imperialism, we get a total of 205,000,000 killed directly or indirectly because of capitalism.[/quote] [B]205,000,000[/B] people dead. and thats a [I]conservative[/I] guess. but please, keep telling me about the horrors of communism (even though there arent any communists even running for president right now haha)