Donald Trump asks for voters to raise their right hand and "swear an oath" to vote for him - Polidicks

[QUOTE=wystan;49877885]Back to the moral relativism thing. [B]Torture isn't always evil.[/B][/QUOTE] :thisthread: Yep, interrogation methods that are more designed to harm the prisoner rather than get actual information are totally justifiable.

[QUOTE=Saturn V;49878050]haha you are so out of touch with reality[/QUOTE] Depends on the purpose of the torture really.

[QUOTE=wystan;49877885]Back to the moral relativism thing. Torture isn't always evil.[/QUOTE] Doesn't Trump endorse torture during the debate regardless of whether or not it yielded information, simply because they do it? Also we have very recent evidence that extreme torture work, which it's the CIA torture report.

I'd confess to bringing down the Twin Towers under torture

Haha wow, Trump just doesn't give a shit. He'll say and do anything. Mostly just says though I think. [editline]6th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=wystan;49877885]Back to the moral relativism thing. Torture isn't always evil.[/QUOTE] Isn't [I]always[/I] evil? It's only ever evil if we agree to it and feel that way, and most of us do. One could probably argue that morals don't exist at all. But other than that, it's just torture. An act of aggression, something that happens whether we like it or not. See whether [I]we[/I] like it or not, meaning our [I]subjective[/I] morals. Objective morals don't exist obviously, since it starts with the thinking&feeling human being, unless god gave you a moral code to act upon, then there would be no argument (a philosophical suicide) technically anyways.. [editline]6th March 2016[/editline] Although you still [I]kinda[/I] need to have a logical explanation, or see some value in the outcome of torturing someone (like a terrorist knowing about a bomb or smth.) Otherwise it's just senseless violence.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49877697]This is the point I've been trying to make. Communism is not an inherently evil idea, it's the people that turn it evil. [editline]6th March 2016[/editline] Torture is always an unacceptable measure you sociopath.[/QUOTE] Torture has been supported by the majority of people in history for thousands of years. Do you really think they were all sociopaths?

If you genuinely advocate the horrific torture of someone under a neutral state of mind, yes, you're a sociopath.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49879632]If you genuinely advocate the horrific torture of someone under a neutral state of mind, yes, you're a sociopath.[/QUOTE] That is your viewpoint. Your viewpoint. Yours does not mean it is necessarily correct.

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49880662]That is your viewpoint. Your viewpoint. Yours does not mean it is necessarily correct.[/QUOTE] It's pretty well established that torture is morally and ethnically wrong.

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49880662]That is your viewpoint. Your viewpoint. Yours does not mean it is necessarily correct.[/QUOTE] The CIA concluded that torture does not work, it is not a method of extracting information. At best you get no information because the victim either does not know, or is affirmed in his mind that you are evil and will never tell you. At worst you get fake information because the victim doesn't know anything but will tell you what you want to hear to make the pain stop. That leaves only one use for torture: to create intense suffering for revenge and/or to send a message of inhumane violence to the public. These are both things a first world nation should [I]never[/I] be doing.

Man, politics in the US sure are entertaining.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49881097]The CIA concluded that torture does not work, it is not a method of extracting information. At best you get no information because the victim either does not know, or is affirmed in his mind that you are evil and will never tell you. At worst you get fake information because the victim doesn't know anything but will tell you what you want to hear to make the pain stop. That leaves only one use for torture: to create intense suffering for revenge and/or to send a message of inhumane violence to the public. These are both things a first world nation should [I]never[/I] be doing.[/QUOTE] Yeah well that's just like your opinion, man. /s

[QUOTE=wystan;49877885]Back to the moral relativism thing. Torture isn't always evil.[/QUOTE] Alright, you can believe that something as morally reprehensible as torture isn't always a bad thing, but you cannot dispute that it has been said by CIA officials that it isn't very effective. That being said, I'm sure they know more about the logistics of torture than you do. [QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49880662]That is your viewpoint. Your viewpoint. Yours does not mean it is necessarily correct.[/QUOTE] This philosophy of "all viewpoints are subjective" is only practical as, well, a philosophy. In reality, it is not a very good idea to do something that is widely regarded as ethically wrong and its justification being "viewpoints are subjective". When you implement a morally questionable system, you must consider a wide range of PR factors. Not only that, there is the practical aspect of the system as well and its effectiveness. Is it worth the risk to implement something as ineffective as torture and garner disapproval amongst the public? It would be reasonable to say no.

amazing. He can talk to idiots, nobody can talk to idiots,but he can lol

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49876531]Wow, I'm so offended. Asking people to vote no matter what happens is outrageous, only the Nazis asked people to vote. And asking people to vote for Trump at a Trump rally, holy shit this guy is literally Hitler. I am far beyond triggered.[/QUOTE] Yeah man. Me too. Anyone who is on the opposite side of the political party that I attribute myself to is automatically Hitler. Isn't that funny? I am going to post this photoshopped image of Trump as hitler on my facebook and everyone will agree with me.

If you're gonna criticize Trump, criticize his ideas and policies. The Nazi comparison is honestly unjustified. Being sworn in in American court requires you to raise your right hand and make an oath as well.