Benjamin Edetanlen Sentenced To 18 Years, Defends Killing Son With Bible Passage - Polidicks

Why are only the ones who follow the bible to the letter like this the "crazy" ones?

[QUOTE=Bomimo;38021118]It sure did. It's what it was made for. Asserting control and murdering without good reason. Shit used to fly well with the church way back. Still does in America and Middle-East. Epicentres of shit in the world. [editline]13th October 2012[/editline] is Catcher in the rye a manual in proper behavior AKA How to not piss off my figment of imagination.[/QUOTE] There we go, was wondering how long it would take.

[QUOTE=GodKing;38029996]Why are only the ones who follow the bible to the letter like this the "crazy" ones?[/QUOTE] It's simple. The crazy ones are crazy, they will stick to any ideology that justifies their state of mind, morals etc. That's why you get all these bible thumping fuck sticks, they agree with the fundamental tenents in terms of the fire and brimstone shit and then they just assimilate other parts that they like and become fervent extremists. This guy would have been an extremist regardless of what ideology or whatever he decided he liked.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;38028598]Jesus christ, how hard would you need to strike somebody with a bible passage to kill them?[/QUOTE] I broke a spine once by doing that

[QUOTE=GodKing;38029996]Why are only the ones who follow the bible to the letter like this the "crazy" ones?[/QUOTE] Actually he's gone completely against the bible by killing the kid, the idea behind spare the rod spoil the child is, if you don't discipline your children they're going to turn into little shits, and of course back then the main way of disciplining kids was with smacking. Hell it wasn't until psychology developed very recently and we found out that hitting kids can cause some psychological problems that we realised "yeah there are better ways of doing this", meaning there is no need for smacking nay more. The verse he used doesn't justify killing kids, in fact if he lived in the society that the bible talks about then he'd likely of either been exiled or executed for murder.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;38030334]Actually he's gone completely against the bible by killing the kid, the idea behind spare the rod spoil the child is, if you don't discipline your children they're going to turn into little shits, and of course back then the main way of disciplining kids was with smacking. Hell it wasn't until psychology developed very recently and we found out that hitting kids can cause some psychological problems that we realised "yeah there are better ways of doing this", meaning there is no need for smacking nay more. The verse he used doesn't justify killing kids, in fact if he lived in the society that the bible talks about then he'd likely of either been exiled or executed for murder.[/QUOTE] Stoning disobedient children is a literal phrase in the bible, so... [editline]14th October 2012[/editline] And I've always thought "Spare the rod, spoil the child" means not hitting the kid would be spoiling him.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38030354]Stoning disobedient children is a literal phrase in the bible, so... [editline]14th October 2012[/editline] And I've always thought "Spare the rod, spoil the child" means not hitting the kid would be spoiling him.[/QUOTE] That's what it means, if you don't punish the kid when they do wrong they don't see what they did wrong and they get spoilt as such. On the other hand the bible also had a passage saying something to the effect of "Discipline with the left hand and embrace your child with the right," meaning you need to show your kid you care about them and love them in equal measure as punishing them when they do wrong. This guy was just an extremist, it's a fucking shame, but that's what happens man.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;38021001]if someone uses "catcher in the rye" to justify killing someone do you blame the book?[/QUOTE] What a non-argument. One is a piece of creative fiction, the other is a lifestyle guide espoused by billions.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38030655]What a non-argument. One is a piece of creative fiction, the other is a lifestyle guide espoused by billions.[/QUOTE] Well, it's just a question of attitude. The bible is still only a book, just like The Catcher In The Rye. It just depends on how you look at it. The man was OBVIOUSLY not in his right mind.

[QUOTE=Croix;38030706]Well, it's just a question of attitude. The bible is still only a book, just like The Catcher In The Rye.[/QUOTE] No, it really isn't anything like The Catcher In The Rye. Just because both can be printed on paper doesn't mean they both don't have two completely different and separate purposes. It's okay for a work of creative fiction to have violent rhetoric or subject matters. It's not okay for a lifestyle guide to have violent rhetoric. I can't publish a self-help guide for rapists and murderers, but I can sure write about them in fiction.

[QUOTE=zakedodead;38020865]Nope, religion does no harm and anyone saying otherwise is part of the fp bias.[/QUOTE] it's not the people who make what religion is. There's no way of misunderstanding that.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38030811]No, it really isn't anything like The Catcher In The Rye. Just because both can be printed on paper doesn't mean they both don't have two completely different and separate purposes. It's okay for a work of creative fiction to have violent rhetoric or subject matters. It's not okay for a lifestyle guide to have violent rhetoric. I can't publish a self-help guide for rapists and murderers, but I can sure write about them in fiction.[/QUOTE] you're aware that the majority of the christian faith and the different denominations focus on [I]interpretations[/I] of the Bible and take most of what's contained within as metaphor and not gospel truth right? There's only a very, very small portion that actually believe that children should be stoned and the earth is 4000 years old and rape victims should marry their attackers

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;38030334]Actually he's gone completely against the bible by killing the kid, the idea behind spare the rod spoil the child is, if you don't discipline your children they're going to turn into little shits, and of course back then the main way of disciplining kids was with smacking. Hell it wasn't until psychology developed very recently and we found out that hitting kids can cause some psychological problems that we realised "yeah there are better ways of doing this", meaning there is no need for smacking nay more. The verse he used doesn't justify killing kids, in fact if he lived in the society that the bible talks about then he'd likely of either been exiled or executed for murder.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it's in the bible that disobedient children shall be put to death or something. I mean, if the bible is up to interpretation, who is to say what is right or wrong in it, what's to be taken literally or metaphorically, etc?

[QUOTE=Maloof?;38030874]you're aware that the majority of the christian faith and the different denominations focus on [I]interpretations[/I] of the Bible and take most of what's contained within as metaphor and not gospel truth right? There's only a very, very small portion that actually believe that children should be stoned and the earth is 4000 years old and rape victims should marry their attackers[/QUOTE] Yes I know [I]exactly that.[/I] The fact that you had to use the word 'interpret' is telling in itself. But you understand the difference between creative fiction and theological text right? You do realise there [I]is[/I] a difference right?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38030914]Yes I know [I]exactly that.[/I] The fact that you had to use the word 'interpret' is telling in itself. But you understand the difference between creative fiction and theological text right? You do realise there [I]is[/I] a difference right?[/QUOTE] He's saying that the actual material for the beliefs and ideolgy while being important, isn't as important as how the reader interprets them. I haven't read The Catcher In The Rye so I can't pull a particular example out of the book but with the Bible most people are generally good people so they'll cling to the parts that say that we should all love one another and take care of each other and treat each other with respect and kindness, while some people will obviously cling to passages about fire and brimstone, child punishment and stoning adulterers and shit. Yes the actual material is important, but more importantly the crux of the issue lies in the readers interpretation and personality.

[QUOTE=Rocksalt;38030943]He's saying that the actual material for the beliefs and ideolgy while being important, isn't as important as how the reader interprets them. I haven't read The Catcher In The Rye so I can't pull a particular example out of the book but with the Bible most people are generally good people so they'll cling to the parts that say that we should all love one another and take care of each other and treat each other with respect and kindness, while some people will obviously cling to passages about fire and brimstone, child punishment and stoning adulterers and shit. Yes the actual material is important, but more importantly the crux of the issue lies in the readers interpretation and personality.[/QUOTE] Yes I know exactly what he was saying. You don't have to keep repeating it. But just because you can have personal interpretations doesn't mean [B]anything[/B]. The whole point of this argument was that someone was stupid in saying that being critical of the Bible for its violent content is exactly the same as being critical of a piece of creative fiction. Which is completely and utterly retarded. How and why theological texts are created, processed and consumed by readership differs so completely and vastly from entertainment fiction that to make a comparison as base as 'lul wut about Catcher in the Rye then', is honestly meaningless.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38021085]you don't blame mcdonalds for people for becoming fat fucks so you shouldn't blame the bible completely for this killing the guy is crazy[/QUOTE] Then again McDonald's doesn't go trough many generations of telling children that they will burn for eternity if they don't eat burgers or eat burgers somewhere else.

[QUOTE=KILLTHIS;38029085]Oh and calculators make wrong equations.[/QUOTE] Actually, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug]sometimes they do.[/url]