The job I want to go into and many other more "academic" jobs are entirely dependant on doing degrees. It's a bit pessimistic to be saying that colleges/universities are "there to take all your money". The fact is that at the moment, us in the UK are getting a very good deal with our universities, as some courses can cost ten times as much as the fees you are paying. A lot of their income is from funding for research as well, and when looking at universities you've got to be careful as to the teaching:research ratio at them.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;25363854]College isn't there to teach you, it's there to take all of your money. All colleges and major state universities are there for profit, teaching you is just a side effect.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha, what? Sure, hold on while I teach myself to be an Architect. All this 'college' stuff just gets in my way!
God damn tories :arghfist:
(yes I know labour was going to do the same thing and lib dems are now bending over backwards for the tories but STILL)
[QUOTE=GunFox;25363124]What about the people who don't want to enter society in debt?
The people who want to be plumbers? Construction workers? Factory operators? Your mindset is exactly the problem. Blue collar manual labor is a perfectly respectable occupation and should be paid reasonable wages.
If you think the bulk of the population is actually deserving of a higher degree, then you either over estimate the average joe or you under estimate the original value of a degree.[/QUOTE]
If they WANT to do a degree, there should be nothing stopping them, that's all I'm saying.
And while we do need (and will need for the foreseeable future) plumbers and electricians, people doing things like manual labour are slowly being forced out of jobs by machines. It's just a fact of technological progress, and there's no cure for that. They'll either have to gain new skills or just go on benefits eventually.
I'm not for one second implying that we don't currently need manual labourers or factory operators, or that their work is somehow less valuable than a scientist's or engineer's, but this isn't the 1920s any more. For now, there are still apprenticeships and trade schools that can give people skills for life without having to go to university.
Exam boards in the UK such as AQA and Edexcel are making a profit out of peoples education.
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;25356321]Pay money for studies? I got paid 300euro a month to study... Oh yeah i'm Swedish we are so perfect.[/QUOTE]
They recently passed laws to make non-citizens have to pay for their education in Sweden :frown:
Luckily I just have to pay my home schools tuition, instead of Stockholms, and I have a scholarship here.
I really don't understand what all the problem is, didn't you all need to pay anyway?
I only see myself going to the local community college in 2 years anyway; money is needed for everything. :eng99:
[QUOTE=James1o1o;25365646]I really don't understand what all the problem is, didn't you all need to pay anyway?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but now we have to pay more.
[QUOTE=GunFox;25363124]What about the people who don't want to enter society in debt?
The people who want to be plumbers? Construction workers? Factory operators? Your mindset is exactly the problem. Blue collar manual labor is a perfectly respectable occupation and should be paid reasonable wages. [/QUOTE]
Blue collar workers make great money if they stay in the trade for a long time. It takes as long as university but you're getting paid the whole time so it's a great deal. People think the trades are just for stupid people; if that's the case I know some really stupid people pulling down six figures a year.
I'm going to go be stupid on my yacht fuckers
Fucking pathetic, i had faith in the lib dems to hopefully make a middle ground of politics. A true lib dem would of never of teamed with a right wing party. I mean in an extreme example its like nazis teaming up with jews to agree the middle ground. Two totally different ideologies but yet it seems like the conservatives are winning without fight and the libs dems completely agree. What is going on here? is the middle class being squeezed? i have a feeling that this will completely mess up the way we get jobs.
Think about it the average job nowadays need a form of degree, there needs to be some academic qualification to be for example a psychologist. With less people being able to get the qualification they need for this job wont this dis-respectfully decrease the amount of qualified people for this job?.
Rather than making people pay more to get into university since there is alot of people already going to universities, why not just make it harder to get into universities and demand higher grades?. This would be alot more logical because it gives people who are actually smarter a chance into getting into university? rather than closing to gap between the not to well off and the well off?.
Fuck the tories
FUCKING TORIES
seriously
I dropped out of uni because i was in enough debt after a few years as it is, sort of glad i did now being at university is by no mean's the be all and end all, if it just wasnt so hard to get into work right now!
This has all stemmed from the fact that Tories view all degrees just as a key to a good job. A degree course at university is about so much more than the job at the end or there wouldn't be so many applicants. Uni is about moving out, integrating yourself into a society independently and studying a subject you love. Personally I couldn't care less about the job I get at the end of my degree as long as I have a great time doing it and I get to study and research physics. I find it very close to insulting that they apply this label freely to me and every other University applicant.
[QUOTE=Coffee;25360587]Why are you blaming the tories? It's not their fault the country is in a lot of debt.[/QUOTE]
Because they chose this as a way of "tackling" the debt, rather than so many others.
[QUOTE=skifer;25366195]Rather than making people pay more to get into university since there is alot of people already going to universities, why not just make it harder to get into universities and demand higher grades?. This would be alot more logical because it gives people who are actually smarter a chance into getting into university? rather than closing to gap between the not to well off and the well off?.[/QUOTE]
They're currently trying to do this with the new A* grade at A-Level, but whether this will fall victim to more grade inflation is anyone's guess.
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[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;25365594]And while we do need (and will need for the foreseeable future) plumbers and electricians, people doing things like manual labour are [B]slowly being forced out of jobs by machines.[/B] It's just a fact of technological progress, and there's no cure for that. They'll either have to gain new skills or just go on benefits eventually.[/QUOTE]
Actually it's been shown that in most cases where machines have been introduced in to manufacturing plants, the business simply expands production and keeps the same number of workers rather than keeping production at the previous level and shedding its workforce.
[QUOTE=GunFox;25356385]While it would never work, I almost wish this would happen universally.
Both British and American societies are locked in an arms race based around education. Everyone keeps pushing harder to get an edge over the competition with a higher degree.
College should not be necessary to FEED yourself in the United States. It defeats the entire concept of free public schooling.
Something needs to be done to break this concept. Unfortunately money has always been the barrier in the past, which makes college something only the wealthy can achieve, which isn't how that should work.
I dunno, perhaps total removal of student loans coupled with a massive increase in the scholarship program.
I really can't think of a truly viable and legal means of breaking this before it finally destroys us. Generation after generation entering life deeper and deeper in debt will not end well at ALL.[/QUOTE]
Higher taxes. Free education for everyone.
I don't understand how the government can keep pushing for students to go on to higher education and then seemingly punish them for seeking it with rediculous charges.
I heard on the radio yesterday the opinions voiced by students who are currently in, or waiting to start university. The biggest worry is that they won't be able to afford it. It's actually far easier for students low income homes to go through university. Because my parents combined income is well above the £60,000 a year mark I get barely any support from the government which means I have to balance a job with my studies. If they increase how much universities can charge I would have to go from part time to full time which is an unreasonable and irresponsible thing to demand off a student. My housemates however are all below the £25,000 a year household income and get £900 bursaries 3 times a year so they don't have to work, and as such spend more time drinking and less time studying.
I heard on the radio they interviewed a fucking hairdresser who complained about students mooching off the local council to fund their education and that if we can't afford it we shouldn't be trying to get it, what sort of fucked up logic is this, from someone who probably doesn't even have GCSE's. The only thing incresasing the cap on fee's will do is stop people getting what they need to go into their desired profession. It's just wrong.
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