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[QUOTE=BCell;43153265]Autism or death? Your choice you anti-vaccine morons. People born in the 90s who got the vaccinations were protected against dieseases like polio and measles. If an epidemic of measles were to happened today, those who are not vaccinated will die or get permanant scars[/QUOTE] Vaccinations do not cause Autism.
[QUOTE=paindoc;43154805]Also, for those of you not getting the flu vaccine because you're going to get sick anyways, chances are you didn't get the flu. Because if you get the flu, you will know. And you will feel like shit for a week. Its the worst parts of every other virus that causes cold and flu-like symptoms rolled into one long-lasting package. It only takes once for you to decide that the flu vaccine is worth it, trust me :v:[/QUOTE] I took the flu vaccine and got one of the worst whacks of flu for a long time, more of a hit and miss in my eyes.
[QUOTE=Memobot;43153928]I'm just going to say, in fairness, Andrew Wakefield isn't to blame that much for this. He posted a scientific journal posing questions, like any scientist does and should do. The British press in particular went full retard and then proceeded with a hatchet job on Wakefield so they didn't look stupid. The parents that didn't vaccinate are pretty stupid too.[/QUOTE] Wakefield is to blame, he took a purposefully small sample size, and clearly botched the procedures; and from what I've heard from Professors at uni when going into biology, he was also taking money from a few lobby groups or companies. Remember, the medical community found him guilty of negligence and had him barred from medicine.
flu shots are one of those vaccines which it can go either way for people, I wish I had gotten one so I would have had a normalish week instead I've had the flu and fucking finals
[QUOTE=Incoming.;43155509]I took the flu vaccine and got one of the worst whacks of flu for a long time, more of a hit and miss in my eyes.[/QUOTE] Each person has a unique immune system, and sometimes people don't react positively, but it's such a low number of cases, and often the responses are still not nearly as bad as getting what your vaccinated against; that you may as well get vaccinated.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;43155538]Wakefield is to blame, he took a purposefully small sample size, and clearly botched the procedures; and from what I've heard from Professors at uni when going into biology, he was also taking money from a few lobby groups or companies. Remember, the medical community found him guilty of negligence and had him barred from medicine.[/QUOTE] he was developing a vaccine for a competitor company from the one in the survey, so basically simple dirty competition tactics fucked over the lives of tens of thousands of children. it may be his fault though but its also dumb hipster parents faults as well, they are also to blame for ignoring what the medical community has said for 50 years and ignoring their own polio-free upbringing
[QUOTE=KommradKommisar;43153648]I've never been vaccinated, but I've only had the flu...twice?[/QUOTE] Just a small word of warning, I don't know how old you are but many of the common childhood illnesses such as chicken pox and mumps affect adults much more severely than children and can end up causing permanent damage to organs. Mumps for example can lead to sterility. So try to catch those diseases early or better yet get vaccinated! [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] Obviously disregard what I am saying if you meant you've never had a flu jab.
[QUOTE=Sableye;43154411]Ya I was having this conversation with my grandma the other day, she grew up in the days before the vaccines so it was a no brained for her, she had seen children die from these things, growing up in the depression era rural Pennsylvania, she didn't argue about vaccinating her children, parents today are more educated than ever before but somehow are even more ignorant than ever before[/QUOTE] Unlimited access to unlimited information is not always a good thing. It also makes it easier for crazies to get their message out to the masses, many of whom will accept it over the word of the media / government. There are plenty of reasons people don't vaccinate, some crazier than others. Some are religious, some can't afford it, some are unknowingly ignorant, and then there are even people who think Andrew Wakefield's life was ruined by the SIS because he stumbled upon a grand conspiracy. We have access to a lot of information, but also a lot more false information.
I had this link saved via someone in another thread [url]http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070612083350AA40SHb[/url] [quote][B]Well, it depends on your mindset and beliefs about vaccines.[/B] I do not vaccinate my children because I do not believe that it is in my children's best interest to inject them with potentially harmful substances and I believe that there is a higher chance of them having a reaction to vaccines than them having complications from the vaccine "preventable" diseases. So, to me, no it is not necessary. In the rare chance that polio is contracted, in a healthy immune system, someone who contracts polio will only have flu-like symptoms.[/quote] Fuuuck, your beliefs have no bearing on scientific facts Innoculoate your goddamn kids
Less and less people in my community are going for vaccines, and they seem to be better off without it. Everybody I know of that have received the vaccinations seem so sick for days after they get it. Most pro-vaccine people seem quite mentally unclear, it's like they've lost a piece of their mind. I've done my research and vaccines seem quite ridiculous, how could somebody prepare you for a wave of sickness that they've predicted? Well educate me if you want, I'm open to learning more, but as things stand right now most of us around here steer away from vaccines, and we all seem perfectly fine.
[QUOTE=Tophat;43156086]Less and less people in my community are going for vaccines, and they seem to be better off without it. Everybody I know of that have received the vaccinations seem so sick for days after they get it. Most pro-vaccine people seem quite mentally unclear, it's like they've lost a piece of their mind. I've done my research and vaccines seem quite ridiculous, how could somebody prepare you for a wave of sickness that they've predicted? Well educate me if you want, I'm open to learning more, but as things stand right now most of us around here steer away from vaccines, and we all seem perfectly fine.[/QUOTE] What? I mean "educate me if you want"? What do you think this whole thread, the hundreds of other threads in the past, thousands of papers on effectiveness of vaccines, billions spent on developing new vaccines, the statistically proven reduction in diseases that you can get vaccinated against is about? We have fucking eradicated smallpox, a horrible, deadly, disfiguring disease, we are about to get rid of polio in the near future. I guess you might mean well, but your post pissed me off so much I cannot even begin to describe it. I honestly don't care if as an adult a person decides to put his or her own life at risk. That is their own choice and I would support anything they are willing to do, but when parents start fucking with their infants over matters of health, or worse yet when they fuck around with other people and other people's children because they are messing up herd immunity in the community I get incredibly angry. Just a reminder everyone seems fine until they get sick. Vaccines are there to prevent you from getting sick.
[QUOTE=Tophat;43156086]Less and less people in my community are going for vaccines, and they seem to be better off without it. Everybody I know of that have received the vaccinations seem so sick for days after they get it. Most pro-vaccine people seem quite mentally unclear, it's like they've lost a piece of their mind. I've done my research and vaccines seem quite ridiculous, how could somebody prepare you for a wave of sickness that they've predicted? Well educate me if you want, I'm open to learning more, but as things stand right now most of us around here steer away from vaccines, and we all seem perfectly fine.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130819015955/dragonball/images/a/a7/Facepalm_227785.jpg[/IMG] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Reaction image" - Swebonny))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;43152809]It's a shame children have to suffer and die due to stupidity. People preaching anti-vaccination are some of the worst scum on the planet, they put children in danger and even cause their deaths.[/QUOTE] and even worse are faith healers if a faith healer was hit by a bus I wouldn't flinch
[QUOTE=Memobot;43153928]I'm just going to say, in fairness, Andrew Wakefield isn't to blame that much for this. He posted a scientific journal posing questions, like any scientist does and should do. The British press in particular went full retard and then proceeded with a hatchet job on Wakefield so they didn't look stupid. The parents that didn't vaccinate are pretty stupid too.[/QUOTE]He manipulated evidence for his own financial gain, resulting in harm to thousands of children. He is a fucking disgrace to the medical profession and science in general.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;43156281]He manipulated evidence for his own financial gain. He is a fucking disgrace to the medical profession and science in general.[/QUOTE] You are being too kind, I would say he is a disgrace period.
[QUOTE=Tophat;43156086]Less and less people in my community are going for vaccines, and they seem to be better off without it. Everybody I know of that have received the vaccinations seem so sick for days after they get it. Most pro-vaccine people seem quite mentally unclear, it's like they've lost a piece of their mind. I've done my research and vaccines seem quite ridiculous, how could somebody prepare you for a wave of sickness that they've predicted? Well educate me if you want, I'm open to learning more, but as things stand right now most of us around here steer away from vaccines, and we all seem perfectly fine.[/QUOTE] Fever after immunisation is known and is insignificant, would you seriously rather not risk a temporary ailment over being immunised against fatal diseases [quote]Most pro-vaccine people seem quite mentally unclear, it's like they've lost a piece of their mind. I've done my research and vaccines seem quite ridiculous[/quote] Well then I guess anyone well informed are a bunch of fucking quacks. Pretty much everything medicine you stick in your body has potential side effects. What are the sources of your "research"?
My mum still swears by Andrew Wakefield, and insists that the vaccines given to me as a child are the reason i have aspergers. she thinks the reason he was discredited is part of some government conspiracy to give the youth of today autism or something like that , and literally will not hear anything to the contrary- and thats all the reason she needs not to immunize my little brother- its just fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=Sableye;43155544]flu shots are one of those vaccines which it can go either way for people, I wish I had gotten one so I would have had a normalish week instead I've had the flu and fucking finals[/QUOTE] The flu shot is the only vaccine I don't get, simply because for me personally it just makes me go down with flu for a week, like normal flu would.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;43156384]My mum still swears by Andrew Wakefield, and insists that the vaccines given to me as a child are the reason i have aspergers. she thinks the reason he was discredited is part of some government conspiracy to give the youth of today autism or something like that , and literally will not hear anything to the contrary- and thats all the reason she needs not to immunize my little brother- its just fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] If it was a government plot you'd think everyone would have ASD, and if Wakefield was right why would the government not suppress him before submitting the botched research
[QUOTE=Tophat;43156086]Less and less people in my community are going for vaccines, and they seem to be better off without it. Everybody I know of that have received the vaccinations seem so sick for days after they get it. Most pro-vaccine people seem quite mentally unclear, it's like they've lost a piece of their mind. I've done my research and vaccines seem quite ridiculous, how could somebody prepare you for a wave of sickness that they've predicted? Well educate me if you want, I'm open to learning more, but as things stand right now most of us around here steer away from vaccines, and we all seem perfectly fine.[/QUOTE] A vaccine of a virus is essentially that virus, but in a severely weakened form, so it's no longer harmful and contagious. Your body still recognises the weakened virus as a danger and starts to design a type of protein specifically to neutralize that virus. The fever people sometimes get after they've been vaccinated is nothing more than a sign that your body is working to get rid of the 'threat', and is usually peanuts compared to the symptoms of an actual virus infection. The reason vaccines work is because once your body learns how to make a specific protein (also called an antibody) to get rid of a virus, it doesn't forget how to make it. It has learned the blueprint to quickly and efficiently get rid of that specific virus should it pop up again without having to design the antibody from scratch like when it got infected the first time.
[QUOTE=V12US;43156535]A vaccine of a virus is essentially that virus, but in a severely weakened form, so it's no longer harmful and contagious. Your body still recognises the weakened virus as a danger and starts to design a type of protein specifically to neutralize that virus. The fever people sometimes get after they've been vaccinated is nothing more than a sign that your body is working to get rid of the 'threat'. The reason vaccines work is because once your body learns how to make a specific protein (also called an antibody) to get rid of a virus, it doesn't forget how to make it. It has learned the blueprint to quickly and efficiently get rid of that specific virus should it pop up again without having to design the antibody from scratch like when it got infected the first time.[/QUOTE] In layman's terms: The vaccine is your sparring partner, that pulls his punches when you learn to block his hits. The virus is that dude who assaults you and whose punches YOU block using what you learned when you got vaccinated.
[QUOTE=Tophat;43156086]Well educate me if you want, I'm open to learning more, but as things stand right now most of us around here steer away from vaccines, and we all seem perfectly fine.[/QUOTE] Tell me what province you live in so I can stay clear of it for the rest of my mortal life. If you say BC, I'm sorry everyone, I will be radioing in for Exterminatus. [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;43156275]and even worse are faith healers if a faith healer was hit by a bus I wouldn't flinch[/QUOTE] I would. There would be people on that bus who might be injured by the sudden impact/stop.
[QUOTE=Tophat;43156086]Less and less people in my community are going for vaccines, and they seem to be better off without it. Everybody I know of that have received the vaccinations seem so sick for days after they get it. Most pro-vaccine people seem quite mentally unclear, it's like they've lost a piece of their mind. I've done my research and vaccines seem quite ridiculous, how could somebody prepare you for a wave of sickness that they've predicted? Well educate me if you want, I'm open to learning more, but as things stand right now most of us around here steer away from vaccines, and we all seem perfectly fine.[/QUOTE] A+ parody of a stereotypical nutter. Unless you're serious, then may god help us all. [editline]wait[/editline] Scratch that, no gods can can help against stupidity of that caliber.
[QUOTE=Tophat;43156086]Less and less people in my community are going for vaccines, and they seem to be better off without it. Everybody I know of that have received the vaccinations seem so sick for days after they get it. Most pro-vaccine people seem quite mentally unclear, it's like they've lost a piece of their mind. I've done my research and vaccines seem quite ridiculous, how could somebody prepare you for a wave of sickness that they've predicted? Well educate me if you want, I'm open to learning more, but as things stand right now most of us around here steer away from vaccines, and we all seem perfectly fine.[/QUOTE] If you've done your research you'll know how vaccines work and you'll know that they have saved millions of lives from deadly or debilitating diseases such as smallpox and polio.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;43156849]If you've done your research you'll know how vaccines work and you'll know that they have saved millions of lives from deadly or debilitating diseases such as smallpox and polio.[/QUOTE]That's part of the reason there's more anti-vaxxers nowadays, i'd wager. They have no comprehension of the threat diseases like polio pose since they've been almost entirely eradicated in the Western world, and so feel safer turning down vaccines for themselves and their children.
[QUOTE=Incoming.;43153079]Don't get flu shots, but anyone who puts themselves out there and at risk for stuff like polio on purpose need to desperately reevaluate their knowledge on medicine and stop scaring others with pseudo-science[/QUOTE] Still get flu shots if you are in close contact with a lot of people, such as healthcare or education. Sure they might provide little tanglible benefit to you, but the most recent seasonal flu shot is a pretty special one. It contains 4 strains of flu whilst all previous ones have contained one. [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;43156864]That's part of the reason there's more anti-vaxxers nowadays, i'd wager. They have no comprehension of the threat diseases like polio pose since they've been almost entirely eradicated in the Western world, and so feel safer turning down vaccines for themselves and their children.[/QUOTE] Vaccines are a victim of their own success. I wouldn't wish polio on my worst enemy, but people who refuse critical vaccines should be informed about these diseases, shown examples, and if they end up getting it and are responsible for spreading it, should be charged. Here's a site that uses the CDC list to show a number of cases and deaths that could have been prevented. [url]http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Tophat;43156086]Less and less people in my community are going for vaccines, and they seem to be better off without it. Everybody I know of that have received the vaccinations seem so sick for days after they get it. Most pro-vaccine people seem quite mentally unclear, it's like they've lost a piece of their mind. I've done my research and vaccines seem quite ridiculous, how could somebody prepare you for a wave of sickness that they've predicted? Well educate me if you want, I'm open to learning more, but as things stand right now most of us around here steer away from vaccines, and we all seem perfectly fine.[/QUOTE] I hope you never have children, or are ever around children. You are a danger to society and to their health. You are, quite clearly, a sociopath.
Hey you guys, in my community someone started a discussion about putting out fires. Fires are traditionally put out with water, but he pointed out that when you combine fire and water you get steam, and steam is really dangerous and can burn people. So you put out fires to stop burning, and instead you create steam which burns people? That's stupid as hell. So in my city we have decided that we are no longer going to put out fires. We have fired the Fire Department (lol puns) as a result, because it's no longer necessary and... oh hey look the bakery is on fire.... Ohh, and now the Convenience store is on fire... Oh my, that shit spreads quickly... Holy crap, half the city is now burning, including my house. What a disaster this is. I'm going to write a letter of complain toOH MY GOD I'M ON FIRE OH GOD IT BURNS OH NO OH SHIT SOMEONE PLEASE SEND HELPGAGGFHDGGDGggg
[QUOTE=Tophat;43156086]Less and less people in my community are going for vaccines, and they seem to be better off without it. Everybody I know of that have received the vaccinations seem so sick for days after they get it. Most pro-vaccine people seem quite mentally unclear, it's like they've lost a piece of their mind. I've done my research and vaccines seem quite ridiculous, how could somebody prepare you for a wave of sickness that they've predicted? Well educate me if you want, I'm open to learning more, but as things stand right now most of us around here steer away from vaccines, and we all seem perfectly fine.[/QUOTE] You are a fucking monster. We can predict sicknesses using statistics and epidemiology, taking past epidemics and pandemics into account. Using it, you can build pretty accurate models for disease, taking into account hundreds of factors. I want some citations on feeling "sick for days" afterwards, rather than a single anecdote, since vaccines cannot make you feel sick or anything really but a minor immune reaction that should last a short period of time, unless it's a live vaccine, when most contain chopped up antigens or neutralised antibodies, instead of weakened ones. The only chance of getting sick is with a live vaccine, which is rarely given but is often more effective. "oh we all seem fine without vaccines", well I am currently fine not wearing my seatbelt, wonder what happens the one time I crash? Vaccines are preventative, not curative. Once little Timmy has Polio and his parents are begging the doctor to do something, all the Doctor can really do is say "well, you should have fucking vaccinated, as now little Timmy is stuck on mechanical breathing for the rest of his life after a complex infection. You could have prevented this with one or two tiny little needlepricks" I highly doubt I'd have gone through multiple lectures on vaccination by multiple doctors when I'm not even going to be a medic (they go through even more) if it was inadvisable to have vaccines. I highly doubt that the hospital and university said lecture were in would be so proud of Edward Jenner and Hunter attending them if vaccines weren't so amazing. Smallpox is GONE. It is likely to stay GONE. 33% of a population would have got smallpox a few hundred years back IIRC. 1/4 of them would have died. They all live now. [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;43156281]He manipulated evidence for his own financial gain, resulting in harm to thousands of children. He is a fucking disgrace to the medical profession and science in general.[/QUOTE] He manipulated statistics and caused terror whilst doing so. He killed over a thousand people indirectly. He caused a great deal of harm to the public opinion of medicine and science in general, helping to reduce public chances of complying with treatment plans and the like, even when it is for their own benefit. All for money. I want him charged with crimes against humanity.
[QUOTE=Memobot;43153928]I'm just going to say, in fairness, Andrew Wakefield isn't to blame that much for this. He posted a scientific journal posing questions, like any scientist does and should do.[/QUOTE] No he didn't, he posted an experiment that was falsified and concluded that vaccines were dangerous. He is directly responsible for it. But yeah, this is pretty terrible. The WHO were on track to eradicate these diseases too.
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