CDC: 50 years after the Measles vaccine, and 2013 has TRIPLE the expected number of cases. 90% of ca
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[QUOTE=Tobba;43162671]Its the US legal system, take anything that comes out of it with the dead sea[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]All other autism "test cases" have been defeated at trial. Approximately 4,800 are awaiting disposition in federal vaccine court.[/QUOTE]
They seems to try to not give money to as many as they can i guess there are cases where they are reasonable
[QUOTE=lirro433;43162361][URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-to-receive-15m-plus-in-first-ever-vaccine-autism-court-award/"]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-to-receive-15m-plus-in-first-ever-vaccine-autism-court-award/[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]In acknowledging Hannah's injuries, the government said vaccines aggravated an unknown mitochondrial disorder Hannah had which didn't "cause" her autism, but "resulted" in it.[/QUOTE]
That's not as solid a link as you'd like it to be. Find me some science, not a judge moved by a sob story and circumstantial evidence.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;43160069]No, I'm sorry, but coming from someone who has spoken to multiple friends when they've in the middle of a suicidal spiral you are talking horseshit. Nobody that depressed and down would freely discuss it as a point in an argument. And if you're not talking horseshit, then you're just a cunt for using genuine issues to get the upper hand in a discussion.[/QUOTE]
Well i wasn't really depressed, i couldn't feel anything almost i had no idea what to do and i just did things when people told me to do stuff. So i don't have any problem to speak about it.
[editline]12th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=lirro433;43162806]Well i wasn't really depressed, i couldn't feel anything almost i had no idea what to do and i just did things when people told me to do stuff. So i don't have any problem to speak about it.[/QUOTE]
Science
[URL="http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003815"]http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003815[/URL]
News report, including that there are more exceptions where families have been compensated
[URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-case-an-exception-or-a-precedent/"]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-case-an-exception-or-a-precedent/[/URL]
All this shit worries me because I know my parents refused to give me vaccinations as a child because of the whole autism bullshit.
Reading stuff like this only makes me more paranoid about getting sick. Is it a good idea to get vaccinated now as a young adult?
yes. get your standard jabs ASAP. childhood diseases such as chicken pox and measles get progressively more lethal as you become older.
[QUOTE=lirro433;43162806]Science
[URL="http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003815"]http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003815[/URL]
News report, including that there are more exceptions where families have been compensated
[URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-case-an-exception-or-a-precedent/"]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-case-an-exception-or-a-precedent/[/URL][/QUOTE]
I do not feel competent enough as a scientist (I'm not one) to criticise the actual scientific validity of that study's methods and data; I hope someone with more expertise can give an opinion on how good the data and methodology is.
However, that study is based on a sample of [I]twenty-five[/I]. While I cannot argue about the data itself, I question its statistical weight. It's a small data point, and I would like to see more investigation.
I think everyone will agree that if there is [B]actually[/B] something about the way that we produce vaccines that [B]definitely[/B] will cause lifelong harm (e.g. autism, but anything) in a non-negligible percentage of the population and it's demonstrated, priority #1 would be to find new alternative vaccines that can be even safer universal standards.
I'm not going to accept anything against vaccines unless it can be linked to a peer reviewed medical journal, ideally a big one. I won't take news articles or blogs, they prove time and time again they know fuck all about science.
[QUOTE=Tophat;43156086]Less and less people in my community are going for vaccines, and they seem to be better off without it. Everybody I know of that have received the vaccinations seem so sick for days after they get it. Most pro-vaccine people seem quite mentally unclear, it's like they've lost a piece of their mind.
I've done my research and vaccines seem quite ridiculous, how could somebody prepare you for a wave of sickness that they've predicted?
Well educate me if you want, I'm open to learning more, but as things stand right now most of us around here steer away from vaccines, and we all seem perfectly fine.[/QUOTE]
Yes, vaccinations can, and frequently do, give you runny noses or sore throats or minor symptoms of sickness. The reason for this is that you are being injected with a small sample of a live disease or a synthetic variant of it. This causes your body to react, and begin the process of fighting it off. After a day or so, your body figures out its weakness, produces the right antibodies, kills it, and catalogs the information for later. Your runny nose clears up. Congratulations, that inconvenient runny nose may have just saved you from polio.
[img]http://karawaz.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/polio-disease.jpg[/img]
Not everyone can handle taking vaccines though, like immuno-compromized and super-allergic folks, but for those peeps there's a thing called herd immunity. As long as enough people are vaccinated, it covers the few that can't/won't take vaccines.
The problem is that all these pseudo-scientific claims are keeping the herd immunity from working, and such promoters are inhuman monsters for letting these EASILY preventable diseases from cropping up again.
not necessarily. you can be a carrier to a disease without being affected by it personally.
[QUOTE=lintz;43164433]not necessarily. you can be a carrier to a disease without being affected by it personally.[/QUOTE]
Quite a few ways that can happen, it's a rather interesting topic. About a third of people keep a nice little colony of MRSA in their nose, for example! Perfectly fine there, it's only if it was to get into a wound or something that it'd actually affect you. On the bright side, I believe those with MRSA colonies doing fuck all in their noses tend to deal slightly better with the actual disease caused when it infects you. No idea why though.
Or we can have diseases that lie dormant after affecting you, such as TB, which can live in your lungs for a few years, then strike when you're weak.
All the more reason to get vaccinated!
[QUOTE=lirro433;43159589][URL]http://phys.org/news172252051.html[/URL]
[URL]http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/evidence-overwhelming-that-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-causes-harm/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.naturalnews.com/033816_swine_flu_vaccines_neurological_disorders.html#[/URL][/QUOTE]
Ok lets assume that there is maybe a .000000000001 chance that taking a vaccine can give you a birth disorder like autism.
Now lets look at the death statistics of diseases we have vaccines against
smallpox - 30% chance of death
Polio 15-30 % of adults die and up to 70% mortality without artificial respiratory help (I'd love to see you live in an iron lung the rest of your life and see how fun that is)
Typhoid - 10-20 prior to vaccines available.
Would you risk worldwide epidemics because there is an extremely small chance that you might have a minute chance at getting an autism spectrum disorder despite that being impossible?
[QUOTE=lintz;43164433]not necessarily. you can be a carrier to a disease without being affected by it personally.[/QUOTE]
That's why herd immunity is important.
Even if a few percent of people are unaffected carriers, having enough of a percentage immunized makes the risk of a pendemic almost nonexistant. If a large enough percentage is inoculated (even higher than enough to stop pandemics), than the chances of even those people who can't become immune (vaccine doesn't work, allergic reaction to vaccine, whatever) becoming infected approaches zero because they will have their contact with the disease reduced to exceedingly low levels.
i've gotten the flu 4 times on and off since september just because i haven't been vaccinated, it's awful
[QUOTE=lirro433;43162806]Well i wasn't really depressed, i couldn't feel anything almost i had no idea what to do and i just did things when people told me to do stuff. So i don't have any problem to speak about it.
[editline]12th December 2013[/editline]
Science
[URL="http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003815"]http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003815[/URL]
News report, including that there are more exceptions where families have been compensated
[URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-case-an-exception-or-a-precedent/"]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-case-an-exception-or-a-precedent/[/URL][/QUOTE]
The fact that it had a sample size of 25 and the following quote should be enough I think:
"Recently, there has been increased concern regarding a possible causative role of vaccinations in autistic children with an underlying mitochondrial cytopathy [35], [36]. For one of our 25 patients, the child's autism/neurodevelopmental deterioration appeared to follow vaccination [12], [36]. Although there may have been a temporal relationship of the events in this case, such timing does not prove causation. That said, there might be no difference between the inflammatory or catabolic stress of vaccinations and that of common childhood diseases, which are known precipitants of mitochondrial regression [37]. Large, population-based studies will be needed to identify a possible relationship of vaccination with autistic regression in persons with mitochondrial cytopathies."
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