The State Department’s entire senior management team just resigned
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Accelerationalists are the kind of people who think jumping off a building will cure their arthritis
God the US is so fucking weak and tumultuous right now.
The conspiracy theorist in me says it looks more intentional every day.
[QUOTE=Judas;51731166]this accelerationist attitude is bullshit and you know it
can you name even one instance in history where "burning it down and rebuilding it" did anything but put dictators in power and lead to chaos and death?[/QUOTE]
Slash and burn faming? :downs:
CNN brought up a update
[url]http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/top-state-department-officials-asked-to-leave-by-trump-administration/index.html[/url]
Soo he did fired them?
[QUOTE=Judas;51731166]this accelerationist attitude is bullshit and you know it
can you name even one instance in history where "burning it down and rebuilding it" did anything but put dictators in power and lead to chaos and death?[/QUOTE]
Let's see.
Due to trump winning, the DNC is having an internal revolt. Its between the corporatists, the sjws and the decent folks.
Right it seems both parties are talking about impeaching trump. This will cause a shit storm. If Trump gets challanged based on his past as a business person he will use the surveillance apparatus installed during the Bush He and Obama years to black mail those threatening him. This will cause a chain effect of many career politicians getting in trouble and it will force them to dismantle it and reign in the executive branch power.
I am seeing more and more people here on face punch wanting pence versus trump because they want practical things, such as countering Russia and a person with better foreign relations. I can go through your post history and quote you word for word concerning this.
The key thing about accelerationism is the belief is decline is happening and cannot be stopped. So I am not advocating for US destruction. I'm advocating a controlled free fall where the process of decay is gotten over with as quickly as possible to make it as painless as possible.
As for you, I know you are hard left. By playing into the false divide of left versus right, you are contributing to the acceleration of America's down fall. Only difference is I'm not under the delusion I'm making things "better" when in reality its making things worse. You are under this delusion.
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51729985]Drain the swamp![/QUOTE]
It seems in this case the swamp is draining itself, I imagine if the trend keeps up you'll have an entirely new generation in theses seats.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;51732254]CNN brought up a update
[URL]http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/top-state-department-officials-asked-to-leave-by-trump-administration/index.html[/URL]
Soo he did fired them?[/QUOTE]
He accepted their resignation. People at this level all give a resignation letter when a new administration comes into office. The new admin has the choice to accept their resignation or deny their resignation. Trump accepted them.
OP's article is basically fake news. It has nothing to do with people leaving out of anger or frustration "unexpectedly."
It's not fake news, it's a thing that actually happened.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51733033]He accepted their resignation. People at this level all give a resignation letter when a new administration comes into office. The new admin has the choice to accept their resignation or deny their resignation. Trump accepted them.
OP's article is basically fake news. It has nothing to do with people leaving out of anger or frustration "unexpectedly."[/QUOTE]
Except that Kennedy had been in his position since the Bush administration and they don't normally leave so suddenly.
[quote]Ambassador Richard Boucher, who served as State Department spokesman for Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, said that while there’s always a lot of turnover around the time a new administration takes office, traditionally senior officials work with the new team to see who should stay on in their roles and what other jobs might be available. But that’s not what happened this time.[/quote]
So now we don't have a real Secretary of State or Department of State management team and Trump is starting to meet with world leaders.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51732996]Let's see.
Due to trump winning, the DNC is having an internal revolt. Its between the corporatists, the sjws and the decent folks.
Right it seems both parties are talking about impeaching trump. This will cause a shit storm. If Trump gets challanged based on his past as a business person he will use the surveillance apparatus installed during the Bush He and Obama years to black mail those threatening him. This will cause a chain effect of many career politicians getting in trouble and it will force them to dismantle it and reign in the executive branch power.
I am seeing more and more people here on face punch wanting pence versus trump because they want practical things, such as countering Russia and a person with better foreign relations. I can go through your post history and quote you word for word concerning this.
The key thing about accelerationism is the belief is decline is happening and cannot be stopped. So I am not advocating for US destruction. I'm advocating a controlled free fall where the process of decay is gotten over with as quickly as possible to make it as painless as possible.
As for you, I know you are hard left. By playing into the false divide of left versus right, you are contributing to the acceleration of America's down fall. Only difference is I'm not under the delusion I'm making things "better" when in reality its making things worse. You are under this delusion.[/QUOTE]
It's like you didn't even read my entire post last time this came up.
There has never been a case in human history where the rapid collapse of a democratic regime led to anything other than tyranny, authoritarianism, and oppression. The default reaction when democratic institutions fail isn't forward-looking positivity and new ideas and a golden age, like you seem to think. It's a dictatorship. There are hundreds of examples of democratic regimes collapsing to coups and outside pressure and such, and every last one collapses into greater authoritarianism and violence when all is said and done.
You're advocating that we should jump off a cliff instead of slide down a mountain.
I have a hard time seeing you as anything other than a thirteen year old kid or some edgy high schooler with this perspective you keep spouting. It's self-defeatist and irrational on a surface level. I'm studying political science and there's absolute loads of theory, backed up by historical evidence, that shows that collapse of democratic regimes is not a good thing for society. You're advocating for regime collapse, and I really really think you don't understand the scale of what you're calling for. The institutions you want to collapse are much further-reaching than the surveillance apparatus. They're rule of law, civic nonviolence, the judicial system, public goods, the job market, civic engagement, education, norms of a peaceful society, cooperation towards goals, peacekeeping - they're all underlying traits of a stable democratic society that you want to shred and replace with "some new ideas people can come up with later." Those new ideas don't exist and won't exist - they'll be authoritarian. You can see this time and time again. Your destructive pessimism towards modern norms of society is followed up by just a plainly naive optimism of future norms of society, flying in the face of all evidence.
But you'll ignore this post and continue to take for granted the safety and peace provided by the democratic institutions you want to tear down. You're standing on top of a giant skyscraper saying "we haven't replaced the foundations in years, tear them up and start again," without realizing that the entire tower will collapse with you on it if you do that.
I'm with Isak on this one.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51731176]Accelerationalists are the kind of people who think jumping off a building will cure their arthritis[/QUOTE]
or cutting all taxes will lead to economic growth. or kicking out all the immigrants will fix our economy, or letting the middle east burn to the ground will somehow help america, or letting syria go to shit won't hurt america....
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51733183]It's not fake news, it's a thing that actually happened.[/QUOTE]
The part about it being "unexpected" based on anonymous sources is the fake part.
[QUOTE=Sasupoika;51752015][url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/29/state-department-purge-trump-foreign-policy[/url]
Whole thing stinks.[/QUOTE]
Friend of mine linked me this: [url]https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.uvuya2kqq[/url]
Which is major tinfoil hat territory, but something's undeniably fucky about the whole situation. Bannon on the council, but the directors of national intel and chiefs of staff kicked off? Judge ordered them to halt the detaining of people and border control literally just went 'no'? This ban being instituted while bypassing dhs? Pretty much all of the state department being kicked out almost overnight?
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