• Father Shoots Daughter's Computer For Disrespectful Facebook Post
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[QUOTE=imptastick;34641537]I would like to test a theory Vote agree if you had chores/job as a teen/kid Vote disagree if you did not a have chores/job as a teen/kid [sp] I have a feeling that people who experienced it will be on the side of the father and those who have not will be against him[/sp][/QUOTE] I don't have a job but I really fucking wish that I did.
[QUOTE=jbthekid;34641685]Maybe she should have thought of the repercussions of talking shit about her parents on the biggest social media network out there.[/QUOTE] Indeed it wasn't particularly clever for her to do so. But she shouldn't [B]have to[/B] expect any repercussions for VOICING HER OPINION. [QUOTE=Mister Sandman;34641692]okay, so yeah, buying food for her, buying her a bed, raising her, buying her computer software, wasting his afternoons just to help them, giving her extremely easy chores, all with no thanks doesn't deserve her respect? what is wrong with your fucking standards[/QUOTE] He's not giving her freedom. For me that would be enough to disrespect someone, regardless of what else they do.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;34641712]For which there's an explanation. Those who did chores either did them because they liked their parents and wanted to help, which they would expect of every child, or didn't want to do them and were forced to, and were then conditioned into doing them with ever ongoing threats of punishment or actual punishment.[/QUOTE] Because if you don't make your kids do unpleasant things, they will grow up to be spineless maggots who can't even wipe their asses for themselves.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;34641764]Because if you don't make your kids do unpleasant things, they will grow up to be spineless maggots who can't even wipe their asses for themselves.[/QUOTE] Do you have evidence for this?
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;34641760]Indeed it wasn't particularly clever for her to do so. But she shouldn't [B]have to[/B] expect any repercussions for VOICING HER OPINION. He's not giving her freedom. For me that would be enough to disrespect someone, regardless of what else they do.[/QUOTE] Well of course not, but it's just something you [B]should[/B] be aware of.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;34641760]Indeed it wasn't particularly clever for her to do so. But she shouldn't [B]have to[/B] expect any repercussions for VOICING HER OPINION.[/QUOTE] No, she should have VOICED HER OPINION TO HER FATHER and not the www. [quote=DrTaxi]He's not giving her freedom. For me that would be enough to disrespect someone, regardless of what else they do.[/quote] Those chores take less than an hour to complete, what the fuck are you talking about?
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;34641712]For which there's an explanation. Those who did chores either did them because they liked their parents and wanted to help, which they would expect of every child, or didn't want to do them and were forced to, and were then conditioned into doing them with ever ongoing threats of punishment or actual punishment. I don't have to do chores, and I don't have a job, but if I ever wanted money beyond what my parents would give me (or they started giving me drastically less) so much that I'd work for it, I'd work for it. Loads of money I don't expect to get for free. We may not have legal authority, but we can have our opinions. Just because he's the parent doesn't mean his acts and opinion can't be questioned.[/QUOTE] I never saw chores as a punishment; To me it just makes sense to carry my own weight. I was rewarded for doing them, I did not have an allowance but I got other rewards. I enjoy earning things myself, I even started my own poultry business in middle school.
[QUOTE=Arcana;34641786]Do you have evidence for this?[/QUOTE] What do you expect to happen if you let a child do whatever the fuck they want and bring everything under their noses and then when you kick them out of your house at the age of 18 and let them fend for themselves for the first time in their lives, what do you think would happen? They would shit their pants and die, because they can't even cook instant noodles.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;34641636]And how do you know they haven't tried that exactly? The guy seemed pretty level headed (fuck, to work in IT you need to be, most users are insufferable and you can't say anything bad about them or you risk losing your job), most parents do sit down and talk to their children when there are problems, only awful parents who neglect their child in the first place go straight for shouting. With the example used in the video, she hid it from them, she didn't even want to try and talk to them about it. If she's willing to go around them, and insult her parents behind their backs, without even thinking about vaugebooking like most rational people do. Then she probably isn't willing to talk to them on her own accord, and forcing her to talk to them would probably be more damaging.[/QUOTE] My dad worked in IT and he's a paranoid conspiracy theorist, just saying.
[QUOTE=Clementine;34641815]My dad worked in IT and he's a paranoid conspiracy theorist, just saying.[/QUOTE] Okay maybe the IT thing is a bit anecdotal and shouldn't have actually been used. But the way he carried himself in the video, and answered the Q&A seems quite calm. But the fact you didn't address anything else in that post bodes well for my side of the argument.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;34641810]What do you expect to happen if you let a child do whatever the fuck they want and bring everything under their noses and then when you kick them out of your house at the age of 18 and let them fend for themselves for the first time in their lives, what do you think would happen? They would shit their pants and die, because they can't even cook instant noodles.[/QUOTE] You said "unpleasant things". That is subjective. And just because a teen doesn't like to do what their parents make them, doesn't mean they won't lean things on their own. It's not like doing chores and not doing chores determines survival rate on their own.
[QUOTE=Arcana;34641866]You said "unpleasant things". That is subjective. And just because a teen doesn't like to do what their parents make them, doesn't mean they won't lean things on their own. It's not like doing chores and not doing chores determines survival rate on their own.[/QUOTE] It teaches them basic household skills like cleaning up after yourself, making your bed and such. This way they don't have to call their parents every five minutes when they finally leave the house at age 40. Most kids find these chores unpleasant, because that is time that they could be spending playin CoD or some other stupid shit.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;34641791]No, she should have VOICED HER OPINION TO HER FATHER and not the www. [/quote] She obviously wasn't doing that because she knew she'd get into trouble for that. So she vented it to others. And what's wrong about that? [QUOTE] Those chores take less than an hour to complete, what the fuck are you talking about?[/QUOTE] He's also grounded her before. And judging by his response to her latest wrongdoing, he [I]probably[/I] has punished her like that before. And even if he hasn't, he's her parent and the house owner, chores are his job. [QUOTE=Hullu V3;34641764]Because if you don't make your kids do unpleasant things, they will grow up to be spineless maggots who can't even wipe their asses for themselves.[/QUOTE] Teenagers should be well aware that you have to do unpleasant things to have any success in life. If you keep reminding them of that, without resorting to force/coercion that would make them precisely not do it out of spite, or turn against you, they should realise they gotta do it. Also, they're already forced to go to school, which is arguably unpleasant. I see this as acceptable because young children really don't realise they have to, and then they have just ONE unpleasant thing they have to do, preparing them for life. [QUOTE=imptastick;34641801]I never saw chores as a punishment; To me it just makes sense to carry my own weight. I was rewarded for doing them, I did not have an allowance but I got other rewards. I enjoy earning things myself, I even started my own poultry business in middle school.[/QUOTE] As in, your parents enticed you with rewards, rather than forcing you? That does seem like good parenting to me.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;34641955] As in, your parents enticed you with rewards, rather than forcing you? That does seem like good parenting to me.[/QUOTE] Similar to him buying her a laptop, and cell phone. I also had rewards taken away if I did not do chores or was rude to my parents.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;34641955]She obviously wasn't doing that because she knew she'd get into trouble for that. So she vented it to others. And what's wrong about that? [/QUOTE] "Hey dad, could you cut me some slack, because I got a lot of schoolwork and I'm really stressed out at the moment?" [h2]FUCK YOU, YOU'RE GROUNDED AND I WILL MURDER YOUR DOG, YOU FUCKING BITCH![/h2]
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;34641905]It teaches them basic household skills like cleaning up after yourself, making your bed and such. This way they don't have to call their parents every five minutes when they finally leave the house at age 40. Most kids find these chores unpleasant, because that is time that they could be spending playin CoD or some other stupid shit.[/QUOTE] Yes, but still, cleaning up doesn't determine shit. Skills that are quite important don't HAVE to be taught by parents, although they should be. Social skills are generally learned from either work or school. However, I don't think someone who is stressed in school should have a job; they can't handle it. School provides education on various things, and teaches responsibility for completing tasks and taking it upon yourself to do well. This carries over to many jobs. Schools also teach (where I live) how to file tax returns, how to cook, how to handle debt, how to do math, how to write, what to eat, how to exercise, how to find a good University, how to apply to jobs, how to work on cars, how to publicly speak, how to use computers (basics anyways), how to work in groups and alone, how to critically think, how to treat others, and so much, much more. In the end, what is left for the parents now? Punishment for not doing chores?
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;34642024]"Hey dad, could you cut me some slack, because I got a lot of schoolwork and I'm really stressed out at the moment?" [h2]FUCK YOU, YOU'RE GROUNDED AND I WILL MURDER YOUR DOG, YOU FUCKING BITCH![/h2][/QUOTE] more like "wow fuck you guys i hate you so much holy shit CHORES??????? holy shti i cant manage my time im a spoiled bitch help i hate you guys also THANKS FOR THE HUNDREDS IN COMPUTER UPGRADES!!!!!"
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;34641955]She obviously wasn't doing that because she knew she'd get into trouble for that. So she vented it to others. And what's wrong about that?[/QUOTE] Actually, she probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble for voicing her concerns as long as she kept her cool while doing it. Shit, she probably wouldn't have had this happen if she didn't stright-up insult her parents over Facebook. She is at fault here, not her father. [QUOTE=DrTaxi;34641955]He's also grounded her before. And judging by his response to her latest wrongdoing, he [I]probably[/I] has punished her like that before. And even if he hasn't, he's her parent and the house owner, chores are his job.[/QUOTE] I, uhhh, highly doubt that he has punished her like this before. He himself mentions at the start of the video that none of their earlier punishments (pussy shit like grounding) had any real effect, and something this extreme might. And just because he is the house owner doesn't mean his kid can't pull their weight and at least clean their own shit up, simple stuff like tidying her room and at least trying to do her laundry is nothing. Sweeping the floor on occasion is just so easy to do it isn't worth bitching over. I'm sure he does more housework than she does. [QUOTE=DrTaxi;34641955]Teenagers should be well aware that you have to do unpleasant things to have any success in life. If you keep reminding them of that, without resorting to force/coercion that would make them precisely not do it out of spite, or turn against you, they should realise they gotta do it. Also, they're already forced to go to school, which is arguably unpleasant. I see this as acceptable because young children really don't realise they have to, and then they have just ONE unpleasant thing they have to do, preparing them for life.[/QUOTE] People don't tend to realise they "gotta do it" straight away, forcing someone to do it will make them resent you, asking them to do it like parents do to their children will make them resent their parents a bit more, but fighting that and making it worse for themselves just because they find something they will actually need to do for themselves at one point in life boring is stupid. Using minor punishment to fix this can work, good thing this punishment wasn't about her not doing her chores then isn't it. [QUOTE=DrTaxi;34641955]As in, your parents enticed you with rewards, rather than forcing you? That does seem like good parenting to me.[/QUOTE] No child is "forced" to do the housework they, logically, should be contributing to. But refusing to do it should mean some kind of negative impact, such as them living in a shithole where they refuse to clean, or having luxuries removed. The things they learn while living with a parent who can make sure they do simple housework properly much outweigh any possible downsides. Forcing the kid to do the work kind of makes it seem like slavery, the parent is providing for the child all the time, it's only fair the child repays by helping around the home to some degree.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;34642024]"Hey dad, could you cut me some slack, because I got a lot of schoolwork and I'm really stressed out at the moment?" [h2]FUCK YOU, YOU'RE GROUNDED AND I WILL MURDER YOUR DOG, YOU FUCKING BITCH![/h2][/QUOTE] Oh come on, she said a lot more than that. She was angry.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;34642083]Oh come on, she said a lot more than that. She was angry.[/QUOTE] Which is exactly why your idea is awful. In real life, face to face with her parents she wouldn't have said anything nearly as hateful as she posted. The reaction would be different, and you can't base that off a video where he reacts to her insulting him.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;34642083]Oh come on, she said a lot more than that. She was angry.[/QUOTE] I was trying to point out that if she addressed her matter in a calm and rational way, I doubt she would've gotten yelled at and she would still have her computer.
My mom watched this over my shoulder. She particularly liked the 'chores' part. FUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKK otherwise, guy was awesome.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;34642063]Actually, she probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble for voicing her concerns as long as she kept her cool while doing it. Shit, she probably wouldn't have had this happen if she didn't stright-up insult her parents over Facebook. She is at fault here, not her father.[/quote] Yup. She insulted them. If her opinion's strong enough that she feels that's the way to speak it, she should still be able to do what without punishment. [quote] I, uhhh, highly doubt that he has punished her like this before. He himself mentions at the start of the video that none of their earlier punishments (pussy shit like grounding) had any real effect, and something this extreme might. And just because he is the house owner doesn't mean his kid can't pull their weight and at least clean their own shit up, simple stuff like tidying her room and at least trying to do her laundry is nothing. Sweeping the floor on occasion is just so easy to do it isn't worth bitching over. I'm sure he does more housework than she does.[/quote] Grounding is imprisonment. It's what I meant by "like that", not the shooting her laptop thing. And the kid sure can pull their weight, but they shouldn't have to. It's not their duty. It's just nice. Whether it's worth bitching over doesn't really matter, she found it worth bitching over and it's her right to. [quote] People don't tend to realise they "gotta do it" straight away, forcing someone to do it will make them resent you, asking them to do it like parents do to their children will make them resent their parents a bit more, but fighting that and making it worse for themselves just because they find something they will actually need to do for themselves at one point in life boring is stupid. Using minor punishment to fix this can work, good thing this punishment wasn't about her not doing her chores then isn't it. [/quote] You'd be pretty dumb not to ever realise that if you own a house, and you don't have anyone to clean it, you gotta do it. Maybe not right away, but certainly before you leave your parents' home. And just silently accepting being mistreated isn't good. Not being able to do anything about it doesn't mean you should think it's okay. Constantly whining about it, however, is bad for your life quality, but nobody's saying anything against that. [quote] No child is "forced" to do the housework they, logically, should be contributing to. But refusing to do it should mean some kind of negative impact, such as them living in a shithole where they refuse to clean, or having luxuries removed. The things they learn while living with a parent who can make sure they do simple housework properly much outweigh any possible downsides. Forcing the kid to do the work kind of makes it seem like slavery, the parent is providing for the child all the time, it's only fair the child repays by helping around the home to some degree.[/QUOTE] They are forced just as we're forced to obey the law because we'd get into trouble otherwise. It would be fair of the child to repay them, but by having a child, you agree to all the work it involves, as you can't push it onto the child because they have no ability to agree to do some of it prior to being born. There's no mutual agreement. [QUOTE=hexpunK;34642102]Which is exactly why your idea is awful. In real life, face to face with her parents she wouldn't have said anything nearly as hateful as she posted. The reaction would be different, and you can't base that off a video where he reacts to her insulting him.[/QUOTE] Which is not because she suddenly respects him more, but BECAUSE SHE'S AFRAID OF HIM. It doesn't solve the problem. Kids shouldn't be afraid of their parents.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;34637831]You're obliged to respect your parents[/QUOTE] No you aren't. What if your dad molested you? Should you still respect him? [editline]10th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Hullu V3;34642157]I was trying to point out that if she addressed her matter in a calm and rational way, I doubt she would've gotten yelled at and she would still have her computer.[/QUOTE] It sounded calm to me when he read it. You can swear and still be calm.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;34642234]Yup. She insulted them. If her opinion's strong enough that she feels that's the way to speak it, she should still be able to do what without punishment. Grounding is imprisonment. It's what I meant by "like that", not the shooting her laptop thing. And the kid sure can pull their weight, but they shouldn't have to. It's not their duty. It's just nice. Whether it's worth bitching over doesn't really matter, she found it worth bitching over and it's her right to. You'd be pretty dumb not to ever realise that if you own a house, and you don't have anyone to clean it, you gotta do it. Maybe not right away, but certainly before you leave your parents' home. And just silently accepting being mistreated isn't good. Not being able to do anything about it doesn't mean you should think it's okay. Constantly whining about it, however, is bad for your life quality, but nobody's saying anything against that. They are forced just as we're forced to obey the law because we'd get into trouble otherwise. It would be fair of the child to repay them, but by having a child, you agree to all the work it involves, as you can't push it onto the child because they have no ability to agree to do some of it prior to being born. There's no mutual agreement. Which is not because she suddenly respects him more, but BECAUSE SHE'S AFRAID OF HIM. It doesn't solve the problem. Kids shouldn't be afraid of their parents.[/QUOTE] I think a kid SHOULD pull their weight, and if a parent wants to require them to then they can. kids should not be able to do whatever they want regardless of their opinion on work and respect.
Also, there have been studies that teenagers are naturally rebellions because of a psychological restructuring of their brains between the ages of 12 and 25. So getting pissy that your child is rebellious is patently stupid.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;34642234]Which is not because she suddenly respects him more, but BECAUSE SHE'S AFRAID OF HIM. It doesn't solve the problem. Kids shouldn't be afraid of their parents.[/QUOTE] It's more the fact she has the Internet between him and her, and she hid the post that she felt it was okay to insult him to such a degree. If he had never found this post, her problems would have bottled up more and more as it would go unresolved. As he found the post, they can at least try to resolve it. The punishment was over the insults, not her voicing her opinion. And it's only natural for a child to be afraid of an adult in most circumstances, as the adult is kind of stronger, knows more in most cases, and in the case of a parent is meant to be teaching their kid to not be a fucknugget. You try letting your kid run rampant without any kind of control over them. They are going to disregard the fuck out of you when they enter their teens.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;34642327]You try letting your kid run rampant without any kind of control over them. They are going to disregard the fuck out of you when they enter their teens.[/QUOTE] If you don't coerce them, they have no coercion on your side to rebel against. They can disregard all your advice, but they'll soon discover that doesn't do them any good.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;34641844]Okay maybe the IT thing is a bit anecdotal and shouldn't have actually been used. But the way he carried himself in the video, and answered the Q&A seems quite calm. But the fact you didn't address anything else in that post bodes well for my side of the argument.[/QUOTE] Nah I'm just tired of the argument in of itself, people will never change their stone age opinions on corporal punishment. People are simply too lazy to talk it out, they always resort to destruction or violence instead of more complicated measures. Its the same thing in the jail system.
[img]http://i43.tinypic.com/28jv8.jpg[/img] First post on his facebook... I kind of want to see this happen... is that wrong?
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