• Father Shoots Daughter's Computer For Disrespectful Facebook Post
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[quote][B]hillbilly childish punishment = 0[/B] [B]bleeding heart liberal chat = 1[/B][/QUOTE] This isn't about liberals or politics, so don't so spouting that shit to get a rise. Sure, it was a very.. Dramatic response to try to make her pucker up, but then it's not every day your father records a video back-commenting you and then shooting your laptop to demonstrate that [i]he's not putting up with your shit.[/i] Considering the circumstances and popularity around it now, i'm willing to say a lot of people agreed with what the man did; hell, my own parents showed the video to me and all of us agree with it. The daughter may gripe, complain, or utterly resent the parents, but overall, I see it as the father trying to make his daughter understand that he's not going to spoil her and then take shit from her behind his back.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34646016]For fucks sake, it's a video on youtube, not a rapist or traumatic event. At worst she'll be made fun of at school for a week than it'll blow over like nothing happened. Seriously are you even using your brain, all the video contained was her father reading a publicly visible facebook comment than shooting her computer, he didn't tie her down and force her to watch him shoot it, he didn't say anything to humiliate her. This is going to end up like every other viral video in existence, it'll be popular for a week than drop off the face of the planet.[/QUOTE] yeah it probably will, and most people in the world will get over it but thats not how teenage minds work, this girl will probably be effected by it for years to come who knows what it can do to her relationship with her dad, to her self esteem, to her public speaking skills, to a variety of aspects of her personality
[QUOTE=RikohZX;34646047]I see it as the father trying to make his daughter understand that he's not going to spoil her and then take shit from her behind his back.[/QUOTE] then you've completely seen the wrong side because that wasn't the issue at all. the daughter wasn't looking to get spoiled so that's your own projection. [editline]10th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Atlascore;34646062]You know what he means, stop trying to act like an idiot.[/QUOTE] wow i sure hope in the future all your posts will be as insightful and smart as this one!
you have never been the subject of a viral video, let alone a derogatory one where thousands of strangers comment on a personal family argument between you and your dad i really don't think you know how that works. [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Atlascore;34646016] Seriously are you even using your brain, [/QUOTE] oh and yeah i am, but that's hardly relevant now is it??
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34646091]Are you new to the English language? He doesn't mean a literal battle you moron, it's a figure of speech.[/QUOTE] all hopes dashed. why can't you let mr. syntax respond for himself? i'm not really interested in your commentary.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646046][B]uh there's no battle. this isn't a fucking war dude[/B][/quote] Are you fucking kidding me. Wow. [QUOTE=thisispain;34646046] i'm sorry, are we assuming that the reasoning isn't important to determine the just response? i don't see what that has to do with the fact that obviously talking worked. they've strengthened their relationship just a bit. all shooting her laptop did is make her lose some personal stuff and make a funny but painful anecdote to tell in the future.[/QUOTE] And that coupled with the immense viewing that the video got made her enter into a discussion. Why are you trying to say that they could have completely omitted the laptop/video thing and have her all of the sudden do a heel-face-turn and grow up? Repeating the same thing over and over again despite it not yielding any other result is one of the definitions of [I]insanity.[/I] He mixed it up, changed tactics. With this action, he forced her to cooperate in a discussion and actually grow up.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646117]Are you fucking kidding me. Wow.[/QUOTE] you know it's possible for someone to communicate along with the expression? i know it's not a real battle or a war, i was responding to the analogy. it's not a war or a battle because it's not supposed to be two sides. you're not trying to win against your daughter. it might be difficult for you to believe but i am actually smart enough to engage and articulate things along with you. don't assume i automatically don't get it. [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646117]He mixed it up, changed tactics. With this action, he forced her to cooperate in a discussion and actually grow up.[/QUOTE] he didn't force her to do anything, you can't have an involuntary discussion. and i don't think she's the one that needs to grow up. she's 16 and she posts stuff on facebook when she's depressed. he's about middle aged and he posts video's of him shooting things on facebook. i would say both have some growing up to do.
I just[B] cannot [/B]comprehend the fact that there are people getting offended over him shooting the laptop. What mattered was that he took the laptop away forever, and disposed of it in a creative way. It is analogous to him throwing it in the dump, or giving it away to a friend in a different area, or keeping it hidden in the house. As for my thoughts, all things considered, I'd say the father was in the right. He has tried talking and other less severe punishments, and the fact that she began venting on facebook immediately after he fixed the computer was certainly reason to be punished. However, it is unfortunate that the video has received such widespread attention. This was clearly intended for a small audience of their immediate friends and family. Let me just reiterate in big bold letters that [B]THE GUNFIRE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.[/B] If you are to debate about something, debate about the fact that he permanently took something away as punishment, and then uploaded a video about his situation to youtube. EDIT: also, for some closure [QUOTE]Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop? A: She responded to the video with “I can’t believe you shot my computer!” That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc. Later after she’d had time to process it and I’d had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce… you know that uncomfortable moment when you’re in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you’re both waiting to see which one’s going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses. People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing. We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far: First: As her father, I’ll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that. Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She’s seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can’t take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.[/QUOTE] [B]they're ok[/B]
[QUOTE=Vince323;34646167]I just[B] cannot [/B]comprehend the fact that there are people getting offended over him shooting the laptop. What mattered was that he took the laptop away forever, and disposed of it in a creative way. It is analogous to him throwing it in the dump, or giving it away to a friend in a different area, or keeping it hidden in the house. As for my thoughts, all things considered, I'd say the father was in the right. He has tried talking and other less severe punishments, and the fact that she began venting on facebook immediately after he fixed the computer was certainly reason to be punished. However, it is unfortunate that the video has received such widespread attention. This was clearly intended for a small audience of their immediate friends and family. Let me just reiterate in big bold letters that [B]THE GUNFIRE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.[/B] If you are to debate about something, debate about the fact that he permanently took something away as punishment, and then uploaded a video about his situation to youtube.[/QUOTE] nobody is saying that the shooting is the problem it's mainly the public humiliation coupled with the punishment/restriction style of parenting, and their already-terrible relationship
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;34646180]nobody is saying that the shooting is the problem it's mainly the public humiliation coupled with the punishment/restriction style of parenting, and their already-terrible relationship[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;34643228]It's terrible parenting, if my dad shot my stuff because I said something about him on the internet I would be fucking terrified of him, that's not how you get respect, you earn it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Clementine;34641394]Yes sir, I don't think shooting a laptop is proper punishment, just like how I don't think violence or destruction is logical punishment[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sanius;34638891]cool except he didn't just take the laptop away from her. he shot it. that's fucking stupid and wasteful[/QUOTE] I may be cherrypicking from the thread, but there you go
[QUOTE=Vince323;34646167] [B]they're ok[/B][/QUOTE] [quote]One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can’t take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.[/quote] well it sounds like they both grew up a little *cue laughter and credits* see even the dad is admitting it FP, why can't you admit it?
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34646201]Already terrible relationship? You don't know either of them, all we know is that she does shit most other teenagers do, rebel, that doesn't mean she and her father hate each other. How dense can you be.[/QUOTE] how about the fact that he punished her several times in the past, which only caused her to rebel even more. she doesn't do what he says, he treats her like a little kid, they both don't hold their sides of the relationship. and can you stop flaming me plz? my feelings cant take it
oh and look she wasn't very much affected by the laptop getting broken. what was that about effective punishment again? [quote=thisispain] i don't see what that has to do with the fact that obviously talking worked. they've strengthened their relationship just a bit. all shooting her laptop did is make her lose some personal stuff and make a funny but painful anecdote to tell in the future. [/quote]
everyone goes through shit, not everyone chooses to handle it like this
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[QUOTE=thisispain;34646156][B]you know it's possible for someone to communicate along with the expression? i know it's not a real battle or a war, i was responding to the analogy. it's not a war or a battle because it's not supposed to be two sides. you're not trying to win against your daughter. it might be difficult for you to believe but i am actually smart enough to engage and articulate things along with you. don't assume i automatically don't get it. [/B][/quote] I'm not even going to continue commenting on this, its obvious we aren't seeing this eye to eye and there is no point in discussing it further when all you are going to do is be an ass about it. [QUOTE=thisispain;34646156] he didn't force her to do anything, you can't have an involuntary discussion. and i don't think she's the one that needs to grow up. she's 16 and she posts stuff on facebook when she's depressed. he's about middle aged and he posts video's of him shooting things on facebook. i would say both have some growing up to do.[/QUOTE] I seriously cannot believe that you are saying she is not at fault and [I]he[/I] needs to grow up because he took away his daughter's laptop after she wrote an incredibly hurtful note on facebook. Please, please, PLEASE... tell me how she is completely without fault and how 100% of the fault is on him.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34646290]Read that quote a few posts back, read it carefully. She doesn't really care that he did that, and they both learned something from it, it led to them having a important discussion too.[/QUOTE] no this is what happened. daughter was having an off day and posted something on facebook. dad made himself look like an ass by shooting it and posting it on facebook. facepunch defends it by decrying it the just punishment and screaming that talking never works. daughter doesn't care, therefor all conception of it being effective punishment goes out the window. father and daughter both express regret over using facebook to fight as seen by: [quote]One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can’t take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.[/quote] thisispain says i told you so and smiles as his worldview is proven to be valid.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646315] Please, please, PLEASE... tell me how she is completely without fault and how 100% of the fault is on him.[/QUOTE] it's like you don't even read my posts. i just said fault is a useless concept and it shouldn't mean anything in a relationship and then i said both have some growing up to do. how are we gonna have a chat if you aren't even reading my words. you even put he in italics like i specifically said he. [editline]10th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Atlascore;34646337]They wouldn't have even had the discussion or learned anything if he hadn't done that[/QUOTE] yeah sure, like i said you don't need to make an ass out of yourself just to talk to your daughter. just because it didn't end up in disaster doesn't mean that everything was justified at the end.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646323]no this is what happened. daughter was having an off day and posted something on facebook. dad made himself look like an ass by shooting it and posting it on facebook. facepunch defends it by decrying it the just punishment and [B]screaming that talking never works.[/B] daughter doesn't care, therefor all conception of it being effective punishment goes out the window. father and daughter both express regret over using facebook to fight as seen by: thisispain says i told you so and smiles as his worldview is proven to be valid.[/QUOTE] Ohmygod your arrogance could power a country, jesus christ. @boldfaced: Do NOT put me in the group that says that diplomacy never works. I NEVER said that. I said that she was not responding to it and had it not been for this action, it would still not be working. You can't go all one way or all the other. All talk and your kids walk all over you. All fight and you push them away. He removed her laptop and now they're talking, stop disregarding his actions completely as if they could be omitted and still yield the same result, it IS an important variable and removing it WOULD MOST CERTAINLY have altered the outcome back to the usual result. [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;34646342]it's like you don't even read my posts. i just said fault is a useless concept and it shouldn't mean anything in a relationship and then i said both have some growing up to do. how are we gonna have a chat if you aren't even reading my words. you even put he in italics like i specifically said he. [editline]10th February 2012[/editline] yeah sure, like i said you don't need to make an ass out of yourself just to talk to your daughter. just because it didn't end up in disaster doesn't mean that everything was justified at the end.[/QUOTE] I did read it, you implied he is a failure as a father. Ergo, this is his [I]fault.[/I] You implied that a [I]fault[/I] on [I]his[/I] part caused this.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646379] it IS an important variable and removing it WOULD MOST CERTAINLY have altered the outcome back to the usual result.[/QUOTE] yeah sure removing the laptop, fine. making a video of shooting it and posting it on facebook, that's a different story.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646379]Ohmygod your arrogance could power a country, jesus christ. @boldfaced: Do NOT put me in the group that says that diplomacy never works. I NEVER said that. I said that she was not responding to it and had it not been for this action, it would still not be working. You can't go all one way or all the other. All talk and your kids walk all over you. All fight and you push them away. He removed her laptop and now they're talking, stop disregarding his actions completely as if they could be omitted and still yield the same result, it IS an important variable and removing it WOULD MOST CERTAINLY have altered the outcome back to the usual result. [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] I did read it, you implied he is a failure as a father. Ergo, this is his [I]fault.[/I] You implied that a [I]fault[/I] on [I]his[/I] part caused this.[/QUOTE] He could have taken away her laptop without making a dick out of himself on youtube. It's not like publicly humiliating your child to make a point is the only way to discipline them.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34646416]Yeah, no one here ever said talking never works, where are you even pulling that shit from Thisispain?[/QUOTE] oh you are still here? i'm afraid you're a bit behind on the box spam then. and i'm "pulling" that shit from the other thread where i had a hilarious discussion with a teenager who told me to dismiss all teenagers as stupid while begging me not to dismiss him simply because he's a teenager. i didn't mean to insult syntax with anything. you however, i could do quite well without.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646431]yeah sure removing the laptop, fine. making a video of shooting it and posting it on facebook, that's a different story.[/QUOTE] Okay, so we nailed down that removing it was good, okay. But they've done that before, and what happened? nothing. Nothing changed. So what, as a parent, do you do now? [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Melkor;34646450]He could have taken away her laptop without making a dick out of himself on youtube. It's not like publicly humiliating your child to make a point is the only way to discipline them.[/QUOTE] Again, he's done it before and nothing changed. What do you do now?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646456]Okay, so we nailed down that removing it was good, okay. But they've done that before, and what happened? nothing. Nothing changed. So what, as a parent, do you do now?[/QUOTE] the incorrect answer is grabbing your video-camera and your gun. and look, insanity isn't repeating things over and over again. if that was true then brushing your teeth is insane. so it didn't need to go over the top by any means.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646465]the incorrect answer is grabbing your video-camera and your gun.[/quote] That wasn't my question, stop dodging. [QUOTE=thisispain;34646465]and look, insanity isn't repeating things over and over again. if that was true then brushing your teeth is insane. so it didn't need to go over the top by any means.[/QUOTE] Sorry, shoulda anticipated you'd take it at face value. Lemme clarify: Repeating the same action again and again and [I]expecting a different outcome each time[/I]
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34646490]Neither of us have even posted in that thread, why are you dragging stuff stupid people said in another thread into this one?[/QUOTE] i don't know, for fun?
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646465]the incorrect answer is grabbing your video-camera and your gun.[/QUOTE] Curious, what is the 'correct' answer then?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646504] Repeating the same action again and again and [I]expecting a different outcome each time[/I][/QUOTE] obviously this doesn't imply to rolling dice?
[QUOTE=Vince323;34646167] EDIT: also, for some closure [B]they're ok[/B][/QUOTE] Glad to read that they talked it over and came to some understanding. I'm in the boat that both the daughter's bitching and the father's response were a bit overly dramatic. However, it obviously drove the point home. As that snippet you posted says, she no longer has any doubt that he will stick with what he says he'll do - both the good things and the bad things. It's one thing to say you'll buy something special as a reward and do it, and quite another to say you'll shoot a computer as punishment and do it. I also think him showing her all the comments defaming her was also a really important thing to do. It revealed to her that it wasn't just him and her family that thinks these things about her - it's a widely held opinion about people who behave like that. By showing her the comments, he opened her eyes to the fact that it's not just her parents being pissy about her being a spoiled little bitch - it's a general consensus held throughout the world. I think it made her start to realize that maybe there's some truth to that. So while I don't really agree with the video itself, the consequences between her and her father as a [b]result[/b] of this video I think is entirely a good thing. In fact, I would almost assert that this was exactly what her father was going for in doing this. I would assert he knew that if the video went viral, there would be a lot of people mirroring his and his family's opinions of his daughter, and maybe all the external opinion would help her see it as more than just "irrational and unjustified tirading of tyrannical parents." A smart man, if this is the case.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646456]Again, he's done it before and nothing changed. What do you do now?[/QUOTE] Anything that doesn't include me shooting her laptop in front of the entire world. There are a variety of punishments that are more severe than taking her laptop away for a few months that I could employ.
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