Father Shoots Daughter's Computer For Disrespectful Facebook Post
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How does that justify what he did at all? Let's take the risk of shooting her laptop on the off chance she doesn't hate me more for it. And besides that was only one of my arguments. In fact if anything her comment reinforces that what he did didn't change her attitude at all. I mean, he did just say he spend a buncha time and money upgrading it and then she's like "Psh whatever" to it's total destruction. Yeah so I guess that really worked right?
[editline]11th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;34646671]hes my role model[/QUOTE]
Well then that kinda sucks for any kids you may have.
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34646679]Assuming the daughter is actually a somewhat well behaved person in the first place; I'd agree with this statement more if she wasn't such a little ungrateful shit.[/QUOTE]
to quote rusty:
[quote]He's just as bad as she is, no wonder she acts the way she acts. "You went behind my back and did something incredibly disrespectful for all to see, so I'm going to go behind yours and do something just as if not more disrespectful, for even more people to see." What a great role model, this will definitely teach her how to respond properly to things in the future! [/quote]
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646629]yeah who says she wouldn't have cooperated if they skipped the video?
you're trying to argue this on your terms but your terms aren't 100% established so i have nothing to disprove.
they probably have talked before and it probably did change her behavior. that's kind of part of growing up and being parented.
[editline]10th February 2012[/editline]
she got a dose of "wow the internet is full of self-righteous dicks."
what moved her to "cooperate" is the fact that they sat down and talked about why that post was hurtful.[/QUOTE]
And part of the "why" was responses from the massive list of comments and emails they got after posting this. The vid is [I]important.[/I] Skipping it removes the only thing we know of that makes this event any different from the countless in the past. That means that we have nothing but a string of similar occurrences. She rebels, parents ground her, chat as to why, things move on, end grounding, time passes, didn't learn from last time, she rebels, ground her, talk, move on, stop grounding, time passes, didn't learn, rebel, ground, talk, free, time, not learning, rebel, ground, talk, on and on and on.
WITH this variable though, it turns from ^ into: She rebels, parents ground her, chat as to why, things move on, end grounding, time passes, didn't learn from last time, she rebels, ground her, talk, move on, stop grounding, time passes, didn't learn, rebel, ground, talk, free, time, not learning, rebel, ground, talk, time free, rebel, heavy grounding and now the world knows of it too, THEN talk, time, free, (and hopefully learned from last time so the chain ends)
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646653]well we know hurting or punishing kids is useless and ineffective because of science and psychological studies.
maybe you don't want to see this line of steady progression.[/QUOTE]
Well letting things slide and doing completely ineffectual punishments because you're scared of the effects doesn't work either.
Maybe you need to stop assuming and see the world better. I'm not saying it's okay to impose corporal punishment on every kid, but surely there has to be a better method then just 'talking'.
[QUOTE=Melkor;34646657]Who's to say that would escalate the situation any more than posting a video shooting hollow point rounds into her laptop?[/QUOTE]
We haven't seen the full outcome of this one, but we have seen that things have obviously escalated since she hit her teens by doing exactly what they were doing prior to this vid.
You still didn't answer my question.
You know why I think this is the right way to do it?
He didn't rage. He didn't grab it and smash it and throw it around. He casually said "Here's your shit, and now it's gone". I find it very appropriate. It shows little aggression (despite using a gun, which magically makes it seem horrible) and he simply removed the problem with no way to recover it. Excellent.
However, as a side note, I wondered how as an IT personnel he managed to buy 130 dollars in software. I doubt she's a gamer, and if he's IT I would hope it wasn't like Norton and some bullshit.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34646711]No, corporal punishment is never a good method, ever.[/QUOTE]
I never said corporal punishment is a good method, nor will I ever approve of it. I just believe there has to be a better middle ground.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34646711]No, corporal punishment is never a good method, ever.[/QUOTE]
only a sith deals in- SORRY, sorry.
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34646698]Well letting things slide and doing completely ineffectual punishments because you're scared of the effects doesn't work either.
Maybe you need to stop assuming and see the world better. I'm not saying it's okay to impose corporal punishment on every kid, but surely there has to be a better method then just 'talking'.[/QUOTE]
What? Since when is 'not shooting your daughters stuff' ineffectual punishment? It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. And it seems to be that his 'punishment' was rather ineffectual too, so what now? Are you seriously saying that there are better solutions to things than actually talking to them? Like what? Maybe next time he can blow up her xbox because she said 'fuck' on twitter.
Responding to bad things with drastic and violent methods doesn't teach her to behave. It teaches her that doing that kind of stuff is ok, and it absolutely is not. If he were to actually talk to her instead, she might actually UNDERSTAND the situation, and what is and isn't appropriate. It might also teach her to solve her problems with words instead of violence. Isn't that a thought?
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34646685]Well then that kinda sucks for any kids you may have.[/QUOTE]
whats wrong with shooting something of your daughter's instead of talking about problems
it teaches so much :')
[QUOTE=JeffAndersen;34646723]You know why I think this is the right way to do it?
He didn't rage. He didn't grab it and smash it and throw it around. He casually said "Here's your shit, and now it's gone". I find it very appropriate. It shows little aggression (despite using a gun, which magically makes it seem horrible) and he simply removed the problem with no way to recover it. Excellent.
However, as a side note, I wondered how as an IT personnel he managed to buy 130 dollars in software. I doubt she's a gamer, and if he's IT I would hope it wasn't like Norton and some bullshit.[/QUOTE]
He shot it with a fucking gun. Are you literally insane?
[QUOTE=danielplazzy;34646733]He shot it with a fucking gun. Are you literally insane?[/QUOTE]
Okay, lets say he... put it in the garbage compactor or destroyed it in some other way, how would you react then?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646716]We haven't seen the full outcome of this one, but we have seen that things have obviously escalated since she hit her teens by doing exactly what they were doing prior to this vid.
You still didn't answer my question.[/QUOTE]
Actually, if you had been reading the dudes facebook, you would have seen that he said her behavior improved for a while after the first time he punished her. And only reverted back to it was previously after several months. So no, I wouldn't say it escalated.
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34646698]
Maybe you need to stop assuming and see the world better. [/QUOTE]
how is that supposed to convince me hahha
And then watch as somebody at school disrespects her, and so she takes one of their belongings and destroys it. Good job dad!
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646746]Okay, lets say he... put it in the garbage compactor or destroyed it in some other way, how would you react then?[/QUOTE]
Who cares? That's not what he did.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646746]Okay, lets say he... put it in the garbage compactor or destroyed it in some other way, how would you react then?[/QUOTE]
why destroy it and waste his own money rather than take it and get later utility out of it. it's still just as pointless
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646746]Okay, lets say he... put it in the garbage compactor or destroyed it in some other way, how would you react then?[/QUOTE]
I'd still think it's retarded and violent.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34646738]What middle ground could there possibly be between talking to a kid and beating it?[/QUOTE]
*reaches for cookie*
"stop!"
*retreats*
*reaches again*
"I said stop!"
*retreats*
*reaches again*
*gets hand slapped, pain now associated with repeatedly ignoring requests*
[editline]11th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=danielplazzy;34646756]Who cares? That's not what he did.[/QUOTE]
Then why did you point out the gun? Why is the method of destruction so important? Its gone either way.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646764]*gets hand slapped, pain now associated with repeatedly ignoring requests*[/QUOTE]
jesus christ
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;34646761]why destroy it and waste his own money rather than take it and get later utility out of it. it's still just as pointless[/QUOTE]
Its his resources, he spent them for her to use. Makes no difference to him if she can use it or not.
[QUOTE=Arcana;34646763]I'd still think it's retarded and violent.[/QUOTE]
Retarded, sure.
Violent? Calmly putting it in the garbage disposal and activating it is violent?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646764]*reaches for cookie*
"stop!"
*retreats*
*reaches again*
"I said stop!"
*retreats*
*reaches again*
*gets hand slapped, pain now associated with repeatedly ignoring requests*
[editline]11th February 2012[/editline]
Then why did you point out the gun? Why is the method of destruction so important? Its gone either way.[/QUOTE]
Yes because teaching somebody proper behavior with pain association is a much better way to do it! Right?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646778]Its his resources, he spent them for her to use. Makes no difference to him if she can use it or not.
Retarded, sure.
Violent? Calmly putting it in the garbage disposal and activating it is violent?[/QUOTE]
Is calmly shooting someone in the face with a shotgun nonviolent?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646778]Its his resources, he spent them for her to use. Makes no difference to him if she can use it or not.
Retarded, sure.
Violent? Calmly putting it in the garbage disposal and activating it is violent?[/QUOTE]
Yes. The destruction of anything is a violent act. Just because you do it 'calmly' doesn't make it any less of a violent act of destruction, not to mention the message it sends.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34646730]What? Since when is 'not shooting your daughters stuff' ineffectual punishment? It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. And it seems to be that his 'punishment' was rather ineffectual too, so what now? Are you seriously saying that there are better solutions to things than actually talking to them? Like what? Maybe next time he can blow up her xbox because she said 'fuck' on twitter.
Responding to bad things with drastic and violent methods doesn't teach her to behave. It teaches her that doing that kind of stuff is ok, and it absolutely is not. If he were to actually talk to her instead, she might actually UNDERSTAND the situation, and what is and isn't appropriate. It might also teach her to solve her problems with words instead of violence. Isn't that a thought?[/QUOTE]
Overblowing my words. I'm not advocating the fact that parents everywhere should destroy their kids stuff as a means of punishment, but I believe there has to be a better way of getting the message across. What that is, I'm not sure yet.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646764]*reaches for cookie*
"stop!"
*retreats*
*reaches again*
"I said stop!"
*retreats*
*reaches again*
*gets hand slapped, pain now associated with repeatedly ignoring requests*[/QUOTE]
using this dumb hypothetical, we can understand that the kid would simply just grab the cookie when the mum is looking.
now since you're using pavlov's dog, let's use shock collars on dogs as an example:
[url]http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/S15327604JAWS0304_6[/url]
turns out pain isn't a reliable deterrent. you can't make sure that the cookie is what the child is going to associate with pain.
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34646792]Overblowing my words. I'm not advocating the fact that parents everywhere should destroy their kids stuff as a means of punishment, but I believe there has to be a better way of getting the message across. What that is, I'm not sure yet.[/QUOTE]
Maybe instead of parents getting angry and irrational and making idiotic decisions, they can talk to their kid like a normal person.
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34646792]Overblowing my words. I'm not advocating the fact that parents everywhere should destroy their kids stuff as a means of punishment, but I believe there has to be a better way of getting the message across. What that is, I'm not sure yet.[/QUOTE]
well until you find this magical way, i'm going to trust people with studies and degrees.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34646781]Yes because teaching somebody proper behavior with pain association is a much better way to do it! Right?[/QUOTE]
When they're 1, what else is there to do? Telling them no won't do a damn thing at that age unless they know what happens when you ignore no. As long as they know what happens when you ignore "no", then you don't even need to do anything else. From a parent to a child, No is No, end of line. As soon as THAT is broken, where No could possibly mean Yes, then you lose and they will exploit whatever they can to get No to be Yes.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646803]well until you find this magical way, i'm going to trust people with studies and degrees.[/QUOTE]
Studies and degrees can be wrong, mate. But that's off the point.
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