Father Shoots Daughter's Computer For Disrespectful Facebook Post
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[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646813]When they're 1, what else is there to do? Telling them no won't do a damn thing at that age unless they know what happens when you ignore no. As long as they know what happens when you ignore "no", then you don't even need to do anything else. From a parent to a child, No is No, end of line. As soon as THAT is broken, where No could possibly mean Yes, then you lose and they will exploit whatever they can to get No to be Yes.[/QUOTE]
this is completely and utterly wrong. children learn right and wrong by aping and mimicking.
[editline]10th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34646817]Studies and degrees can be wrong, mate. But that's off the point.[/QUOTE]
yes but you are far more likely to be wrong.
and it would be only smart of you to acknowledge that.
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34646817]Studies and degrees can be wrong, mate. But that's off the point.[/QUOTE]
why even post this
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646799]using this dumb hypothetical, we can understand that the kid would simply just grab the cookie when the mum is looking.
now since you're using pavlov's dog, let's use shock collars on dogs as an example:
[url]http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/S15327604JAWS0304_6[/url]
turns out pain isn't a reliable deterrent. you can't make sure that the cookie is what the child is going to associate with pain.[/QUOTE]
Your example is different. In those cases, the dog isn't given a chance to cease its misbehavior before being physically punished. In my case, the child is given 2 separate opportunities to cease its actions before being punished.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646835]Your example is different. In those cases, the dog isn't given a chance to cease its misbehavior before being physically punished. In my case, the child is given 2 separate opportunities to cease its actions before being punished.[/QUOTE]
are you just like choosing to ignore the fact that you're wrong or what
[editline]10th February 2012[/editline]
i mean honestly
how can you seriously believe what you are saying
I tell you what, my dad absolutely never hit me. I'm pretty sure I have a clear distinction between right and wrong. On the other hand, once when I was much younger my mum kicked me in the ass for punching my brother. What did I learn? Punch him more so he won't tell on me. (Not saying I still believe this but this is what went through my head at the time).
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646835]Your example is different. In those cases, the dog isn't given a chance to cease its misbehavior before being physically punished. In my case, the child is given 2 separate opportunities to cease its actions before being punished.[/QUOTE]
uh how is the dog not given a change to cease its misbehavior?
the misbehavior is going outside of the boundary.
the dog would stop misbehaving by not going outside the boundary.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646825]yes but you are far more likely to be wrong.
and it would be only smart of you to acknowledge that.[/QUOTE]
Well sure, I never said I'm right about this sort of thing. This is, after all, the battling of opinions over parenting methods. But your opinions aren't right either, I hope you realise that as well.
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34646861]Well sure, I never said I'm right about this sort of thing. This is, after all, the battling of opinions over parenting methods. But your opinions aren't right either, I hope you realise that as well.[/QUOTE]
actually thisispain and rusty's opinions in this thread are objectively better than anyone else's
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34646861]Well sure, I never said I'm right about this sort of thing. This is, after all, the battling of opinions over parenting methods. But your opinions aren't right either, I hope you realise that as well.[/QUOTE]
It's not just opinions though. There's some pretty strong behavioral science to back it up.
+ just to further illustrate the point, that's what my dad did for a living (psycho analysis, behavioral science, etc), and he never hit me. Things were always resolved with talking. And it worked. I can say with confidence I am an incredibly non violent person.
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34646861]Well sure, I never said I'm right about this sort of thing. This is, after all, the battling of opinions over parenting methods. But your opinions aren't right either, I hope you realise that as well.[/QUOTE]
well they aren't my opinions.
they are the opinions of the most prominent psychological and pediatric institutions in the US.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34646868]It's not just opinions though. There's some pretty strong behavioral science to back it up.[/QUOTE]
If that is the case, I'll accept it respectfully. But all I've seen is people assuming they know the outcome of all this, so forgive me if I sound like I'm shitposting all over science.
[editline]11th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34646895]No, they're right, you're so wrong however it's giving me brain damage.
I mean really, anyone that thinks we should even try something as stupid as "finding a middle ground between talking and corporal punishment" is so wrong it's painful.[/QUOTE]
Classy man, classy.
[QUOTE=danielplazzy;34646843]are you just like choosing to ignore the fact that you're wrong or what
[editline]10th February 2012[/editline]
i mean honestly
how can you seriously believe what you are saying[/QUOTE]
because I've seen what "modern parenting" does. I've seen the effects first hand in at least 5 different families. Guess what? Their kids are the brattiest little shits I've ever seen in public. Running around, yelling, screaming, not giving a shit that their parents are telling them to sit down cause I mean really, what is mom gonna do? "All she'll do is sit there and suggest I sit down and I can keep what I'm doing?" THAT is what they think.
My siblings and I didn't have that problem. Sure, we got out of line a couple times, but all it'd take is mom [I]looking[/I] at us while we know we're screwing up and we stop. Why? because we know what will happen if we keep pissing her off. AS long as we don't break the rules and piss her off, things are great. If we piss her off? We get warned... twice. on 3 we get punished. Do I fear my mother and associate her with pain and misery? Fuck no, she's my mother, she loves me and I love her. I can talk to her, express issues with her, discuss things, negotiate, I can do everything with her that you claim "modern parenting" allows one to do with their parents and guess what? We accomplished it with physical punishment if I repeatedly ignored her.
Love people who assume I'm advocating corporal punishment. I'm not, never will, never would. I would never hit my own kid.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646915]because I've seen what "modern parenting" does. I've seen the effects first hand in at least 5 different families. Guess what? Their kids are the brattiest little shits I've ever seen in public. Running around, yelling, screaming, not giving a shit that their parents are telling them to sit down cause I mean really, what is mom gonna do? "All she'll do is sit there and suggest I sit down and I can keep what I'm doing?" THAT is what they think.[/QUOTE]
logical fallacies up the butt, man
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34646925]Love people who assume I'm advocating corporal punishment. I'm not, never will, never would. I would never hit my own kid.[/QUOTE]
Then don't try and justify other people hitting their kids (or shooting their stuff).
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34646934]Then don't try and justify other people hitting their kids (or shooting their stuff).[/QUOTE]
"agree with us without defiance and we'll stop misunderstanding you to make you look bad"
[editline]11th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=danielplazzy;34646933]logical fallacies up the butt, man[/QUOTE]
How?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646915]Guess what? Their kids are the brattiest little shits I've ever seen in public. Running around, yelling, screaming, not giving a shit that their parents are telling them to sit down cause I mean really, what is mom gonna do?[/QUOTE]
how old are these poor children and why are you writing bullshit on the internet about them?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646939]"agree with us without defiance and we'll stop misunderstanding you to make you look bad"
[/QUOTE]
We're not misunderstanding you. I think we're reading you pretty loud and clear.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34646934]Then don't try and justify other people hitting their kids (or shooting their stuff).[/QUOTE]
But I'm not though. My parents never hit me, so why should I 'justify' for others then?
I know someone who's pretty much been beaten and sexually abused all her life, you're daft if you think I'm ever for corporal punishment and the misunderstanding could go back to me just stuffing up my words and not properly outlining what Im arguing for.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646939]"agree with us without defiance and we'll stop misunderstanding you to make you look bad"[/QUOTE]
holy fuck
[editline]11th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34646947]But I'm not though. My parents never hit me, so why should I 'justify' for others then?[/QUOTE]
that's what people in this thread are wondering
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646939]"agree with us without defiance and we'll stop misunderstanding you to make you look bad"[/QUOTE]
all of your posts are this bad i wish you'd just leave.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34646945]We're not misunderstanding you. I think we're reading you pretty loud and clear.[/QUOTE]
Never said you were, that was in response to the post... directly above the one I quoted there.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646939]How?[/QUOTE]
you generalized the entirety of kids who experience "modern parenting" as "the brattiest little shits I've ever seen in public. Running around, yelling, screaming, not giving a shit that their parents are telling them to sit down cause I mean really, what is mom gonna do?"
obviously there is a fine line between shitty parenting and good parenting
those kids are the product of bad parenting
you know what else is bad parenting?
not treating your child like a fucking human
i mean honestly, having your mom glare at you to make you know you were doing wrong? that's fucking insane. that's something you would do to a dog that got into the garbage. not a fucking kid.
my mom never beat me.
i also don't defend child abuse on the internet.
ergo, modern parenting is better.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646943]how old are these poor children and why are you writing bullshit on the internet about them?[/QUOTE]
Oh I hope you're kidding.
Couple 3 year olds, a 5 year old, a 10 year old, a 14 year old, and an 18 year old. All of them completely lack respect for the fact that they need to stop running and screaming in public places.
One of the 3 year olds damn near tripped a waiter in an olive garden cause she wouldn't stay in her fucking chair.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646987]Oh I hope you're kidding.
Couple 3 year olds, a 5 year old, a 10 year old, a 14 year old, and an 18 year old. All of them completely lack respect for the fact that they need to stop running and screaming in public places.
One of the 3 year olds damn near tripped a waiter in an olive garden cause she wouldn't stay in her fucking chair.[/QUOTE]
so what's your point
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34646987]Oh I hope you're kidding.
Couple 3 year olds, a 5 year old, a 10 year old, a 14 year old, and an 18 year old. All of them completely lack respect for the fact that they need to stop running and screaming in public places.
One of the 3 year olds damn near tripped a waiter in an olive garden cause she wouldn't stay in her fucking chair.[/QUOTE]
the poor child is 3 years old
and i'm pretty sure the 18 year old isn't running and screaming in public places, not unless he has an unfortunate handicap.
why are you advocating to hit these children?
and who the fuck takes a 3 year old to olive garden? now that i agree is bad parenting.
[QUOTE=danielplazzy;34646974]you generalized the entirety of kids who experience "modern parenting" as "the brattiest little shits I've ever seen in public. Running around, yelling, screaming, not giving a shit that their parents are telling them to sit down cause I mean really, what is mom gonna do?"[/quote]
Nnnnnno, no I didn't. I said THOSE KIDS in those families were "the brattiest little shits blahblah"
[QUOTE=danielplazzy;34646974]
i mean honestly, having your mom glare at you to make you know you were doing wrong? that's fucking insane. that's something you would do to a dog that got into the garbage. not a fucking kid.[/QUOTE]
Okay, so i'm not allowed to touch or look at my kid... okay... *notes*
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34647009]Nnnnnno, no I didn't. I said THOSE KIDS in those families were "the brattiest little shits blahblah"
Okay, so i'm not allowed to touch or look at my kid... okay... *notes*[/QUOTE]
Cool strawman
Intimidation is stupid
Not "looking at" or "touching" your kids, speaking in the most general sense
[QUOTE=danielplazzy;34646994]so what's your point[/QUOTE]
My point is they all have degrees in "child psychology" and it turned out to fuck them over.
My point is disregarding all forms of actual punishment and just suggesting they stop doesn't work.
My point is from what I have seen in my limited view of reality, "modern parenting" has failed 5 times so far, and my parents haven't.
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