Father Shoots Daughter's Computer For Disrespectful Facebook Post
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She deserved what happened to her.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34660266]Hum, yeah there is ?
The world is dangerous, human beings are dangerous, you have to envisage the possibility that you will have to defend yourself once in your life, and a gun is the best, fastest way to defend yourself.
If you believe banning firearms from civil life will solve more problems than it will cause, you are wrong and should burst your own bubble before someone does it for you.[/QUOTE]
the world is only as dangerous as humanity makes it.
i find your distrust of others quite saddening, however
[QUOTE=Monk37900;34660280]She deserved what happened to her.[/QUOTE]
you deserve to never raise a child
[QUOTE=Bobie;34660292]the world is only as dangerous as humanity makes it.
i find your distrust of others quite saddening, however[/QUOTE]
Humanity can't be integrally made of living Gandhis, you know.
How did the first war start ? It started because people had some sort of property, and some others were jealous of it, so they did what every animal seeking another's possession do, they attacked them and tried to take over whatever they owned.
Do you think weapons existed since the beginning of man ? No they didn't, before having weapons and tools to fight each other, they went bare fisted and the result was the same. The first men just eventually found it easier to use weapons instead of their fists to kill other humans and take over their things, and from there it was a ladder of sophistication.
My point is, don't say man can live without any sort of guns while man is nothing but an advanced animal. Yes, I believe we should show that we are more than basic animals that still work under the law of the fittest, but I don't think getting rid of all weapons would solve that problem.
Let's admit for a minute we get rid of all weapons and that it turns out just fine. We all live happily ever after, with no guns, no knives, no bats, no weapon whatsoever. What next ? It won't last forever. At one point, a state lacking some sort of resource will be jealous of a foreign state that has this resource, and people will start beating each other bare fisted over those resources. It will evolve into using weapons again because it gives you an advantage, and eventually, guns will pop out again. And that's without counting on mentally unstable people who are just going to kill others for no reason, guns or not, thieves, and people who are just more violent than other for some reason or another.
Get sensible, you just can't get rid of weapons and hope 7 billion people suddenly stop fighting each other just because they can't just pull a trigger and shoot one down, in the same way you can't get rid of traffic lights and hope there will never be any more car crashes.
If we ever manage to get rid of our weapons it will be over centuries and centuries (if not millenniums) of intellectual progress, and even then I am fairly certain we will still have weapons just in case something goes wrong.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34659444]He's right. There is no valid reason for any civilian to own a firearm.[/QUOTE]
Because fuck the second amendment and the founding fathers who wrote it, amirite?
Surely nobody could ever need a weapon for self-defense, protection of property, or political deterrent to the over-use of force by political powers (as Jefferson intended)?
Edit: Well, according to thisispain, you're not American. For a brief bit of a history lesson, the British were pushed back in the War of 1812 partly due to a large number of firearms present in civilian ownership from which militias were drawn, and the high proportion of gun ownership was a strong deterrent to Japanese plans of a continental invasion in WW2. That's leaving aside the whole self-defense angle. Guns work.
hey just so you people know, Rusty100 is not from America.
so he's probably not going to share your views on guns.
just like how most English people won't share your views on guns either.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34660511]hey just so you people know, Rusty100 is not from America.
so he's probably not going to share your views on guns.
just like how most English people won't share your views on guns either.[/QUOTE]
I'm French and I still don't believe guns have to be universally banned.
Given it's not the same views on guns but it's still not as harsh and unrealistic as some other views on the same matter.
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[QUOTE=catbarf;34660487]Because fuck the second amendment and the founding fathers who wrote it, amirite?
Surely nobody could ever need a weapon for self-defense, protection of property, or political deterrent to the over-use of force by political powers (as Jefferson intended)?[/QUOTE]
Otherwise part of this argument is utter shit.
Saying we can use guns because the second amendment says so is like saying the bible is true because the bible says so. You have to think further than this, which you thankfully did with the self-defense and protection of property part.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34660536]Otherwise part of this argument is utter shit.
Saying we can use guns because the second amendment says so is like saying the bible is true because the bible says so. You have to think further than this, which you thankfully did with the self-defense and protection of property part.[/QUOTE]
We can use guns because the second amendment says so, and it says so for practical reasons. One would think that if there were no reason for civilians to own guns there would be no such provision in the original constitution (right after the freedom of speech amendment, no less), yet here we are in 2012 and most countries still allow private firearm ownership.
[QUOTE=catbarf;34660577]We can use guns because the second amendment says so, and it says so for practical reasons. One would think that if there were no reason for civilians to own guns there would be no such provision in the original constitution (right after the freedom of speech amendment, no less), yet here we are in 2012 and most countries still allow private firearm ownership.[/QUOTE]
you're defending a document which was used to outlaw alcohol in response to childish moral pandering
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also the 3rd amendment lmao
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34660536]I'm French and I still don't believe guns have to be universally banned.
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well guns aren't universally banned in France as far as i know. i think the laws are extremely strict but they aren't completely banned
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34660224]Go play a sport that doesn't involve a weapon specifically created to end peoples lives.[/QUOTE]
So that rules out things like archery, javelin toss, etc?
Guns are not all bad, as long as you handle them properly and store them safely. My dad has a lot of guns that belonged to his father and a few that he got when he was younger he keeps them all locked in a gun cabinet with the ammo stored in a separate safe.
I don't agree with people carrying semi-automatic handguns or assault rifles but hunting rifles, shotguns, and antiques I don't see a problem with.
[QUOTE=catbarf;34660577]We can use guns because the second amendment says so, and it says so for practical reasons. One would think that if there were no reason for civilians to own guns there would be no such provision in the original constitution (right after the freedom of speech amendment, no less), yet here we are in 2012 and most countries still allow private firearm ownership.[/QUOTE]
The Quran was written ~2000 years ago and some countries still abide by it regardless of the two millenniums of moral evolution that happened since when it was written. Some of the rules in the Quran made sense back then (being obligated to marry a woman after raping her for example had some sense because there was also a rule that stated you had to put all your efforts into taking care of your wife, which made them a financial burden that most men feared, which eventually kept them away from rape), and now it doesn't make much sense, yet people still follow those just because a superior figure told them to do so. It's Muhammad for them, it's Jefferson for you, the problem is still the same.
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[QUOTE=thisispain;34660607]well guns aren't universally banned in France as far as i know. i think the laws are extremely strict but they aren't completely banned[/QUOTE]
You can have them for sports such as hunting and shooting in a range (I tried the latter, it's really fun), and even though you can keep a weapon at home if you are using it for hunting or for a shooting range, it's really strict and you have to renew your permits very regularly, etc.
[QUOTE=catbarf;34660487]Because fuck the second amendment and the founding fathers who wrote it, amirite?
Surely nobody could ever need a weapon for self-defense, protection of property, or political deterrent to the over-use of force by political powers (as Jefferson intended)?
Edit: Well, according to thisispain, you're not American. For a brief bit of a history lesson, the British were pushed back in the War of 1812 partly due to a large number of firearms present in civilian ownership from which militias were drawn, and the high proportion of gun ownership was a strong deterrent to Japanese plans of a continental invasion in WW2. That's leaving aside the whole self-defense angle. Guns work.[/QUOTE]
You can have your second amendment, nobody else in the world wants it.
And last time I checked, you're living in a first would country in the most civilized era to date. The need for guns is significantly less than in ye olde times (read: there is no need).
"We're allowed" isn't a good argument for doing something. I don't blame you for your views, Americans are just raised that way. Kind of like a cult. A big cult with guns.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34660742](read: there is no need).[/QUOTE]
you've clearly never been to philadelphia
or ever compared what an 18th-century musket can do in the hands of a criminal vs what a modern 9mm handgun can do, but i guess in civilized nations criminals are never armed and the police are always perfect and respond immediately to crime so whatever
[QUOTE=catbarf;34660778]you've clearly never been to philadelpia[/QUOTE]
you've clearly never been to brixton town, what's up
[QUOTE=Datsun;34660633]So that rules out things like archery, javelin toss, etc?[/QUOTE]
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but our need to hunt and eat animals predates our need to kill eachother. I would say they're primarily hunting tools, unlike guns, which serve secondarily as hunting tools (primarily to kill people though). I'm no historian though.
It's really besides the point, comparing prehistoric hunting tools to modern day people murdering tools. It's a different issue. Both things can kill people, but one was invented specifically for it and is much more efficient at it than something cavemen used.
Holy fuck, after reading 6 pages of people being completely stupid ugh I have to post.
First, the laptop is not fully her property, she uses it and its hers in her eyes, but her dad is the one who bought it. There fore it is his.
Second, it seems many people did not watch the video and just jumped into the conversation. The daughter shit all over her parents in a comment on Facebook and had her posts invisible to her parents. She had it coming.
Third, she fucking deserved this, bitching about doing menial chores and degrading your parents publicly behind their backs on Facebook, and she already got in trouble before for posting shit like that on Facebook and had the laptop taken away.
She doesn't deserve to be paid for doing chores, your payment, is fucking food and shelter. You want some fucking cash, go get a job, start applying. Yes economy is bad, but that's not an excuse to not apply, people are hiring you just need to apply and read newspapers and shit.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;34660849]Holy fuck, after reading 6 pages of people being completely stupid ugh I have to post.
First, the laptop is not fully her property, she uses it and its hers in her eyes, but her dad is the one who bought it. There fore it is his.
Second, it seems many people did not watch the video and just jumped into the conversation. The daughter shit all over her parents in a comment on Facebook and had her posts invisible to her parents. She had it coming.
Third, she fucking deserved this, bitching about doing menial chores and degrading your parents publicly behind their backs on Facebook, and she already got in trouble before for posting shit like that on Facebook and had the laptop taken away.
She doesn't deserve to be paid for doing chores, your payment, is fucking food and shelter. You want some fucking cash, go get a job, start applying. Yes economy is bad, but that's not an excuse to not apply, people are hiring you just need to apply and read newspapers and shit.[/QUOTE]
Now watch this post get dumbs because kids are all sacred and shouldn't be punished harshly because it's going to traumatize them and it's not their fault if they are young and innocent and that the father's point is wrong because he's using a gun and guns are BAD.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34660830]Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but our need to hunt and eat animals predates our need to kill eachother. I would say they're primarily hunting tools, unlike guns, which serve secondarily as hunting tools (primarily to kill people though). I'm no historian though.[/QUOTE]
A lot of people use guns for hunting and sport, a 4-10 with rabbit shot is not for self defense, I would say rather than outright banning firearms we should just apply stricter regulations and remove loop holes in gun laws like gun show sales.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34660871]Now watch this post get dumbs because kids are all sacred and shouldn't be punished harshly because it's going to traumatize them and it's not their fault if they are young and innocent and that the father's point is wrong because he's using a gun and guns are BAD.[/QUOTE]
yup.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;34660849]Holy fuck, after reading 6 pages of people being completely stupid ugh I have to post.
First, the laptop is not fully her property, she uses it and its hers in her eyes, but her dad is the one who bought it. There fore it is his.
Second, it seems many people did not watch the video and just jumped into the conversation. The daughter shit all over her parents in a comment on Facebook and had her posts invisible to her parents. She had it coming.
Third, she fucking deserved this, bitching about doing menial chores and degrading your parents publicly behind their backs on Facebook, and she already got in trouble before for posting shit like that on Facebook and had the laptop taken away.
She doesn't deserve to be paid for doing chores, your payment, is fucking food and shelter. You want some fucking cash, go get a job, start applying. Yes economy is bad, but that's not an excuse to not apply, people are hiring you just need to apply and read newspapers and shit.[/QUOTE]
I saw the video. It's just that you're being very superficial and aren't really thinking very deep into the issue of child and parenting psychology. You're just looking at the issue on the surface, and not the deeper implications of it. But the fact the dad is a huge asshole and a terrible role model should be pretty obvious. It's pretty basic 'two wrongs don't make a right' stuff here.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34660871]Now watch this post get dumbs because kids are all sacred and shouldn't be punished harshly because it's going to traumatize them and it's not their fault if they are young and innocent and that the father's point is wrong because he's using a gun and guns are BAD.[/QUOTE]
i'm actually gonna rate you dumb for making a run-on sentence with zero content.
guns are pretty bad though, i don't get why you think that statement works as sarcasm
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34660904]guns are pretty bad though, i don't get why you think that statement works as sarcasm[/QUOTE]
Guns in themselves are not inherently bad, unfortunately it is WAY too easy for ignorant people and criminals to get them.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34659444]He's right. There is no valid reason for any civilian to own a firearm.[/QUOTE]
Don't be a fucking idiot.
Whenever someone has tried to push some retarded gun law through the system that prevents a civilian to carry or even OWN a gun for SAFETY MEASURE, the murder and crime rates have skyrocketed.
If "normal" murder rate would be like 100 people per year and after the gun law has restricted you from defending yourself the rates climb to lets say 300 - 400 murders per year, I would say that that is a pretty expensive law.
Take Britain for example. In the early 2000, Britain got a new gun-control law that was supposed to lower the rates of violent crime. The effects were completely opposite.
The thing the politicians and anti-gun activists always fail to see is that if the criminal can mug and kill a person without any risk of putting his own life on the line, of course there is a bigger possibility of such an event to happen. The criminal knows that it's not legal for a civilian to carry a gun so what's the risk of mugging an old lady, because she doesn't have any means to fight back.
If the criminal couldn't be sure if that old lady is packing a .44 magnum under her coat, the possibility of a crime happening is dramatically lower, because will that criminal take a risk that will probably cost him his own life?
Strict gun laws leave law-abiding citizens at the mercy of criminals who are confident that their victims have neither the means nor the legal right to resist them.
Get real.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34660883]I saw the video. It's just that you're being very superficial and aren't really thinking very deep into the issue of child and parenting psychology. You're just looking at the issue on the surface, and not the deeper implications of it. But the fact the dad is a huge asshole and a terrible role model should be pretty obvious. It's pretty basic 'two wrongs don't make a right' stuff here.[/QUOTE]
Is it the dads fault the daughter publicly disgraced her parents on facebook behind their backs just because she has to fucking sweep the floors, empty the dishwasher, do laundry, and make her bed. He provides her with shelter, food, probably money to go hang out with friends, maybe drives her around, etc. Is it wrong for him to expect a little help around the house, in return for that.
I doubt her social life is ruined, her friends will just view him as the dick dad.
Yes two wrongs don't make a right, but all he is doing is showing that he is serious and what she did was wrong. If thats how he wants to show it fine, maybe he could talk to her, but will she keep doing it, probably. Just talking doesn't solve it every time, sometimes you have to be a dick to get the point across. When she matures she will understand.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;34660934]Don't be a fucking idiot.[/QUOTE]
sure, flame the moderator.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;34660934]Take Britain for example. In the early 2000, Britain got a new gun-control law that was supposed to lower the rates of violent crime. The effects were completely opposite.[/QUOTE]
please don't make examples out of things that you shouldn't make examples out of.
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what the people who use Britain as an example don't know because they don't bother to look beyond what suits them is that in that time period Britain changed the way crime was counted. [B]Crime didn't increase, it was simply reported better.[/B]
To everyone saying "why didn't he just hide the laptop or sell it?": the point of shooting it was to shock his daughter and punish her by destroying something she obviously was attached too.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34660976]To everyone saying "why didn't he just hide the laptop or sell it?": the point of shooting it was to shock his daughter and punish her by destroying something she obviously was attached too.[/QUOTE]
but the punishment was not effective and no-one cares because the father already said that the whole shooting the laptop thing will haunt you for the rest of your life.
so please follow the conversation about guns.
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