Father Shoots Daughter's Computer For Disrespectful Facebook Post
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gun crime statistics per capita britain vs usa go
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34661288]Uh, that's because a country like America is already too far gone with the gun culture. You're already pretty fucked.
Meanwhile in other countries that never had the second amendment, and have strict gun control, the gun related deaths remain very low.[/QUOTE]
Gun related deaths may be lower, but overall deaths aren't. Banning firearms reduces the number of instances of firearm-related crimes, but it hasn't been shown to reduce the crime rate as a whole.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34661288]Strict gun laws don't "leave law-abiding citizens at the mercy of criminals who are confident that their victims have neither the means nor the legal right to resist them" anywhere else. Except America. [/QUOTE]
Have you ever been overseas? I mean, really? I don't know where you live but I've been to and lived in a lot of places (outside the United States) where a firearm has been all but mandatory for protection. Some were third-world countries in Africa, a couple were ex-Soviet states, a few were just bad cities in otherwise fine European countries. This idea that ONLY IN AMERICA would someone need to be able to protect themselves is just goddamn stupid.
Maybe you live in an insulated community where everybody knows everybody else's name and nobody would ever think to harm anyone else and if they did police would teleport there and arrest them instantaneously, but hey, most of us live in the real world. Police aren't perfect and even if firearms are banned, criminals will still be armed and dangerous (with or without guns). Those are simple facts, if you think personal protection isn't ever necessary in the modern world you are just out of touch. Now, if what you're saying is that there are non-lethal alternatives to firearms that can be used in self-defense, the data showing their relative ineffectiveness is readily available.
[QUOTE=catbarf;34665345]Gun related deaths may be lower, but overall deaths aren't. Banning firearms reduces the number of instances of firearm-related crimes, but it hasn't been shown to reduce the crime rate as a whole.
Have you ever been overseas? I mean, really? I don't know where you live but I've been to and lived in a lot of places (outside the United States) where a firearm has been all but mandatory for protection. Some were third-world countries in Africa, a couple were ex-Soviet states, a few were just bad cities in otherwise fine European countries. This idea that ONLY IN AMERICA would someone need to be able to protect themselves is just goddamn stupid.
Maybe you live in an insulated community where everybody knows everybody else's name and nobody would ever think to harm anyone else and if they did police would teleport there and arrest them instantaneously, but hey, most of us live in the real world. Police aren't perfect and even if firearms are banned, criminals will still be armed and dangerous (with or without guns). Those are simple facts, if you think personal protection isn't ever necessary in the modern world you are just out of touch. Now, if what you're saying is that there are non-lethal alternatives to firearms that can be used in self-defense, the data showing their relative ineffectiveness is readily available.[/QUOTE]
Besides, If you banned guns it would just end up like weed, crack and other drugs.
The common mind that wouldn't abuse them wouldn't get them.
But if you really wanted some, you could find a guy to get it to you.
The important thing is it is not easy to buy guns illegally, you guys act like you can just go online and get them like a criminal ebay!
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oh wait, you can.
Black market has a website? Wouldn't it be shut down of some sort by the gov.?
[QUOTE=Crash15;34666009]Black market has a website? Wouldn't it be shut down of some sort by the gov.?[/QUOTE]
It would probably use the same loopholes as TPB.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34666051]It would probably use the same loopholes as TPB.[/QUOTE]
Nah, I believe you have to go through TOR to get to that site.
Just a guess. There's this Finnish site where you can buy things like cocaine, meth, grenades, firearms and all that stuff, but you can only go there through TOR network.
[QUOTE=Crash15;34666009]Black market has a website? Wouldn't it be shut down of some sort by the gov.?[/QUOTE]
it is a .onion
there are several such sites, this one is called the blackmarket reloaded
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You can get anything online if you know where to look
If his goal was to make his daughter respect him, I'm pretty sure he's failed miserably. This is going to make her resent him and only reinforce whatever negative perceptions of him she had any obliterate any positive ones.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;34666193]If his goal was to make his daughter respect him, I'm pretty sure he's failed miserably. This is going to make her resent him and only reinforce whatever negative perceptions of him she had any obliterate any positive ones.[/QUOTE]
His goal was to give her a lesson. You don't punish your kid so he loves you, you punish him so he learns a lesson, now or later.
And if after that the girl doesn't learn the lesson that you are not supposed to mindlessly insult your parents behind their back and generally being a bitch, then she'll either stay an idiot or understand the lesson later on.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34666264]His goal was to give her a lesson. You don't punish your kid so he loves you, you punish him so he learns a lesson, now or later.
And if after that the girl doesn't learn the lesson that you are not supposed to mindlessly insult your parents behind their back and generally being a bitch, then she'll either stay an idiot or understand the lesson later on.[/QUOTE]
It is, plain and simple, stupid to do this to your child. Why? Because inevitably she will hate him for it. Maybe she does now; maybe she will later. She will always remember her father not as a figure of stable authority, but as the gun-toting redneck who shot her computer, not to mention the fact that her negative memories of him will take precedence over the positive ones.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;34666322]It is, plain and simple, stupid to do this to your child. Why? Because inevitably she will hate him for it. Maybe she does now; maybe she will later. She will always remember her father not as a figure of stable authority, but as the gun-toting redneck who shot her computer, not to mention the fact that her negative memories of him will take precedence over the positive ones.[/QUOTE]
Did you read the later released facebook statement? She is fine and they are getting along fine.
[QUOTE=imptastick;34666350]Did you read the later released facebook statement? She is fine and they are getting along fine.[/QUOTE]
I didn't read this; link, please.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;34666371]I didn't read this; link, please.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii[/url]
He seems to have added a new update, so you can just read through his posts and locate the one about his daughters reaction
[QUOTE=Strongbad;34666322]It is, plain and simple, stupid to do this to your child. Why? Because inevitably she will hate him for it. Maybe she does now; maybe she will later. She will always remember her father not as a figure of stable authority, but as the gun-toting redneck who shot her computer, not to mention the fact that her negative memories of him will take precedence over the positive ones.[/QUOTE]
Would it really be any different if he'd permanently confiscated the laptop instead of destroying it, or are you saying that taking toys away from unruly children is emotionally scarring and wrong?
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34669694]Do some damn research, she doesn't care that he shot her computer, the whole thing led to a discussion between them and now they're fine.[/QUOTE]
Which proves that shooting the laptop was ineffective.
This guy is a badass, I 100% fully support his action.
My parents are the kind that [B]don't[/B] force me to do a bunch of chores, and they give me a lot of freedom.
And for that, I love them. I respect them - and whenever they ask me to help, I do. And I never ask for anything in return.
A parent does not have to be overly strict with their kid, under the assumption the kid can behave. Loosening some strings can work wonders.
Really, this is a bit like a microcosm of the problems with the current U.S. criminal justice system. Instead of focusing on rehabilitation, its all about punishment. And not even punishment that is proportionate to the original crime, but punishments that are over zealous and unnecessary.
What she did or said may have been uncalled for and unnecessary, but it does not by any means justify his response. It was an entirely reactionary, knee-jerk response. Furthermore, the only thing that it could possibly teach her is that outbursts such as his are entirely reasonable for any the most trivial of issues. It does not teach them to not talk bad about you online or to treat others with respect, it teaches them that violent responses can be justified by small troubles.
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34671126]My parents are the kind that [B]don't[/B] force me to do a bunch of chores, and they give me a lot of freedom.
And for that, I love them. I respect them - and whenever they ask me to help, I do. And I never ask for anything in return.
A parent does not have to be overly strict with their kid, under the assumption the kid can behave. Loosening some strings can work wonders.[/QUOTE]
Different parenting methods work for different people, there are good people who receive either style of parenting and bad people as well. There is no universal "best" or most effective parenting style.
[QUOTE=imptastick;34671589]Different parenting methods work for different people, there are good people who receive either style of parenting and bad people as well. There is no universal "best" or most effective parenting style.[/QUOTE]But there can be bad parenting methods, like beating your kids or shooting a fucking computer because you don't like something they said.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34671609]But there can be bad parenting methods, like beating your kids or shooting a fucking computer because you don't like something they said.[/QUOTE]
Grouping physical abuse and destruction of a laptop is ridiculous, she seems fine quit acting like he ruined her life.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34671609]But there can be bad parenting methods, like beating your kids or shooting a fucking computer because you don't like something they said.[/QUOTE]
oh no he destroyed the computer that [B]he[/B] bought for her what a terrible person
clearly this girl will be scarred for life, scared for her life, unable to comprehend the horror of the situation
she acted like a spoiled twat and daddy took away her toys, you're over sensationalizing this so much
[QUOTE=imptastick;34671693]Grouping physical abuse and destruction of a laptop is ridiculous, she seems fine quit acting like he ruined her life.[/QUOTE]
But the are both over-reactive and unnecessary.
[QUOTE=Arcana;34671763]But the are both over-reactive and unnecessary.[/QUOTE]
This is debatable, I mean there are already 20 pages of argument. Of course physical abuse is over-reactive, but I have no problem with him removing a laptop.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34671298]It was an entirely reactionary, knee-jerk response. [/QUOTE]
The guy spent a lot of time and money fixing the computer, then his daughter immediately used it to post incredibly rude messages behind his back. So, after explaining this [i]in detail[/i] and addressing the daughter's complaints point by point, he took away the computer. It doesn't matter that he shot the computer, he could just as easily have thrown it in the trash or just taken it for his own use, the punishment is exactly the same. I'm not sure how that is a knee-jerk or reactionary response, especially considering he went through exactly what he took issue with and why exactly he was upset, or what you would consider an effective and reasonable response.
No wonder the child acts spoiled, this dude is going around shooting completely fine laptops like it's nothin
I disagree with most of you guys, I think this guy's whole response is childish
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[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34671298]Really, this is a bit like a microcosm of the problems with the current U.S. criminal justice system. Instead of focusing on rehabilitation, its all about punishment. And not even punishment that is proportionate to the original crime, but punishments that are over zealous and unnecessary.
What she did or said may have been uncalled for and unnecessary, but it does not by any means justify his response. It was an entirely reactionary, knee-jerk response. Furthermore, the only thing that it could possibly teach her is that outbursts such as his are entirely reasonable for any the most trivial of issues. It does not teach them to not talk bad about you online or to treat others with respect, it teaches them that violent responses can be justified by small troubles.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much,
Good parenting shouldn't cost you property damage.
[QUOTE=Arcana;34671763]But the are both over-reactive and unnecessary.[/QUOTE]
Over reacting makes it sound like it was spontaneous.
He clearly thought this out and wanted an action that was anything but a slap on the wrist.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34671736]oh no he destroyed the computer that [B]he[/B] bought for her what a terrible person
clearly this girl will be scarred for life, scared for her life, unable to comprehend the horror of the situation
she acted like a spoiled twat and daddy took away her toys, you're over sensationalizing this so much[/QUOTE]
I would understand if she said it in front of her parents, but she didn't. Might as well get punished for thinking negatively of your parents.
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