Father Shoots Daughter's Computer For Disrespectful Facebook Post
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[QUOTE=imptastick;34636132]All my [b]RAGE.[/b]
What happened to kids who are grateful? I did not even have a cell phone until I got a job and bought my own. I can say that seeing the people on my college campus they are in for a surprise when they actually start working for a living.[/QUOTE]
Ever seen the trailer for the movie "God Bless America"?
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;34674630]I would understand if she said it in front of her parents, but she didn't. Might as well get punished for thinking negatively of your parents.[/QUOTE]
To be honest I would punish my kid way less harshly if he had the balls to come to me and told me what he thought of me, because I could at least discuss with him right now on the spot and solve most of the problems he has with me, than if he never said a worked, blocked me on facebook and called me an awful parent and a lazy-ass tyrant all behind my back.
[QUOTE=fcampbell;34675915]Ever seen the trailer for the movie "God Bless America"?[/QUOTE]
I have now.
I know it may make me seem like a horrible person and I would never gun someone down, but I would be lying if I said it did not make me smile.
guys guys guys seriously
the guy is telling it from his perspective, the girl is a redneck like his father- both of them are cunts
I don't know why anyone would applaud the father
That bitch is lucky that she has eaten in the past 2 days. I fucking hate cunts that disrespect their parents like this. Fucking spoiled bitch that has a mommy and daddy that support her yet she can't see it.
[editline]13th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Egevened;34678819]guys guys guys seriously
the guy is telling it from his perspective, the girl is a redneck like his father- both of them are cunts
I don't know why anyone would applaud the father[/QUOTE]
I don't see how he's a cunt. He lives in an area where he probably had to work hard like on a farm. That shit usually requires you to shoot guns and talk with that accent.
Why is there even an argument at this point? There are two sides, the one that continuously calls the daughter a "stupid spoiled dumb cunt who deserves to be shot in the firing line," when what she said was disproportionate to her punishment and your opinions of her, and the side that calls the dad a bad parent for using a gun to shoot one of his child's possessions.
If you cannot see what the right thing to think here is, you are not an analytical thinker.
[QUOTE=danielplazzy;34679069]Why is there even an argument at this point? There are two sides, the one that continuously calls the daughter a "stupid spoiled dumb cunt who deserves to be shot in the firing line," when what she said was disproportionate to her punishment and your opinions of her, and the side that calls the dad a bad parent for using a gun to shoot one of his child's possessions.
If you cannot see what the right thing to think here is, you are not an analytical thinker.[/QUOTE]
The 'right thing to think'? You seem to be confusing your [I]opinion[/I] for some kind of objective fact. I'm going to repeat what I said on the previous page:
The guy spent a lot of time and money fixing the computer, then his daughter immediately used it to post incredibly rude messages behind his back. So, after explaining this in detail and addressing the daughter's complaints point by point, he took away the computer. It doesn't matter that he shot the computer, he could just as easily have thrown it in the trash or just taken it for his own use, the punishment is exactly the same. I'm not sure how that is a knee-jerk or reactionary response, especially considering he went through exactly what he took issue with and why exactly he was upset, or what you would consider an effective and reasonable response.
Girl is a brat and ungrateful for her father spending time and money fixing her computer. Father takes away girl's computer as punishment. What's disproportionate there?
Shooting the goddamn thing? It was more than just "taking her computer away." Fuck, is it so hard to understand that shit? The entire act of SHOOTING THE GODDAMNED COMPUTER is a fucking wildly unnecessary and inappropriate response to what she did. If he had just taken it away from her, there wouldn't be an issue here. There would be no story, no complaints, everyone would be fine and understand what he did. But he blew a fucking hole in it, and that is where people take issue with it. You just said yourself that he could have taken it away just as easily but he didn't, he fucking shot it. He overreacted and no amount of "well she's a brat and she is disrespectful" will make that change. He made a violent, wildly unnecessary, reactionary action. End of the fucking story. Quit trying to explain it away as "Well, he just fixed it and she was talking bad about him." That does not make his response justified.
Maybe my early analogy wasn't fitting enough, lets go with another one. A 16/17 year old boy is out late every night and sneaks out to see his friends. Is what he doing alright? Surely not. But his parents decide that, to send him a message, they'll blow up the car. Really, the only thing that might teach him is that if he makes his parents a little unhappy with him, they might kill him with a car bomb. And the only thing that this girl might learn from this is that her dad will shoot her if she angers him. Good job, dad.
[QUOTE=imptastick;34678183]I have now.
I know it may make me seem like a horrible person and I would never gun someone down, but I would be lying if I said it did not make me smile.[/QUOTE]
this film and super are bringing in a new influx of 'angry white male' films, which is annoying because most people actually side with the main character who is usually portrayed as mentally unbalanced
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;34679717]this film and super are bringing in a new influx of 'angry white male' films, which is annoying because most people actually side with the main character who is usually portrayed as mentally unbalanced[/QUOTE]
That's the whole idea - to get you to side with a person that's deranged. You can see how that would be a pretty desirable goal from the point of the filmmaker. "If I can get the audience to sympathies and applaud somebody who is clearly mentally deranged, I've done a great job".
But the fact you sympathize and even empathize with them is no negative reflection on the audience. We're influenced to feel that way by the film maker. In fact if anything we're better people for being able to understand the human aspect of even somebody who is insane. The bottom line though, is it's entertainment. We only feel the way we do because it isn't real and it's not trying to be real. It's purely fictional, we can let go of our restraint and just enjoy something. Because the message isn't a violent or negative message. It's just portraying the events of violent and negative people, for comedic effect. Essentially we're mocking them as much as we are empathizing with their plight. It's just a movie. It's usually the case of "These people are insane, so you don't have to be". We can tell right from wrong, and we can enjoy things that we know aren't real and that aren't sending a bad message. Just telling a story.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34679674]Shooting the goddamn thing? It was more than just "taking her computer away." Fuck, is it so hard to understand that shit? The entire act of SHOOTING THE GODDAMNED COMPUTER is a fucking wildly unnecessary and inappropriate response to what she did. If he had just taken it away from her, there wouldn't be an issue here. There would be no story, no complaints, everyone would be fine and understand what he did. But he blew a fucking hole in it, and that is where people take issue with it. You just said yourself that he could have taken it away just as easily but he didn't, he fucking shot it. He overreacted and no amount of "well she's a brat and she is disrespectful" will make that change. He made a violent, wildly unnecessary, reactionary action. End of the fucking story. Quit trying to explain it away as "Well, he just fixed it and she was talking bad about him." That does not make his response justified.
Maybe my early analogy wasn't fitting enough, lets go with another one. A 16/17 year old boy is out late every night and sneaks out to see his friends. Is what he doing alright? Surely not. But his parents decide that, to send him a message, they'll blow up the car. Really, the only thing that might teach him is that if he makes his parents a little unhappy with him, they might kill him with a car bomb. And the only thing that this girl might learn from this is that her dad will shoot her if she angers him. Good job, dad.[/QUOTE]
Using a gun does not automatically make someone violent or threatening. Especially if you are raised around and understand guns. A gun is a tool, yes it can be used as a weapon but it is not in and of itself anymore violent than if he had broke the laptop in another way.
Also why do people compare it to more drastic things, comparing shooting a laptop with a gun to a car bomb is like comparing a game of pin the tail on the donkey to running around swinging an axe. A gun when handled properly is safe, a bomb is not.
Imagine if you said you used a herbicide in you garden and I started comparing it to dropping agent orange on a Forrest. You can not directly compare a directed controlled action to something that is wildly unstable.
[QUOTE=imptastick;34679797]Using a gun does not automatically make someone violent or threatening. [/QUOTE]
Yes it does. Just because you're desensitized to something and used to it, doesn't mean it's good (or non threatening).
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34679674]Shooting the goddamn thing? It was more than just "taking her computer away." Fuck, is it so hard to understand that shit? The entire act of SHOOTING THE GODDAMNED COMPUTER is a fucking wildly unnecessary and inappropriate response to what she did. If he had just taken it away from her, there wouldn't be an issue here. There would be no story, no complaints, everyone would be fine and understand what he did. But he blew a fucking hole in it, and that is where people take issue with it. [/QUOTE]
Would it be more acceptable if he hit it with a sledgehammer? Threw it from the roof? Tossed it in the garbage? Where is the arbitrary line drawn?
You're saying that because he owns and uses a gun he must be dangerous and unstable and somehow you think that because he shot an inanimate object with a gun, he's so deranged he might actually shoot his own daughter. What the hell?
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34679819]Yes it does. Just because you're desensitized to something and used to it, doesn't mean it's good (or non threatening).[/QUOTE]
I never said it was good, but there is a difference to being informed on how to properly handle a gun and being desensitized to what a gun can do. If she knows her dad handles a gun safely she will not be threatened by him just because he fired a gun.
I grew up around guns and use guns I am not violent. I also carry a knife, I would never use it as a weapon but it could be used as one. In communities where guns are not used as tools they are associated with violence. If you live in an area where people use them as a tool you see them as a tool.
It is like in the move "the Gods must be crazy" for them a coke bottle is seen as evil because it hurts someone, yet in our culture we would not see it that way.
This just reached the news over here.
German news are sloowwwwww.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;34679819]Yes it does. Just because you're desensitized to something and used to it, doesn't mean it's good (or non threatening).[/QUOTE]
By the same token, just because you have little experience with it doesn't mean it's bad or threatening. That particular non-argument goes both ways.
[QUOTE=catbarf;34679485]The 'right thing to think'? You seem to be confusing your [I]opinion[/I] for some kind of objective fact. I'm going to repeat what I said on the previous page:
The guy spent a lot of time and money fixing the computer, then his daughter immediately used it to post incredibly rude messages behind his back. So, after explaining this in detail and addressing the daughter's complaints point by point, he took away the computer. It doesn't matter that he shot the computer, he could just as easily have thrown it in the trash or just taken it for his own use, the punishment is exactly the same. I'm not sure how that is a knee-jerk or reactionary response, especially considering he went through exactly what he took issue with and why exactly he was upset, or what you would consider an effective and reasonable response.
Girl is a brat and ungrateful for her father spending time and money fixing her computer. Father takes away girl's computer as punishment. What's disproportionate there?[/QUOTE]
She didn't appreciate the dad or his gift, she just didn't appreciate his punishment. Ironically, she did respect him, instead of saying it rudely to his face, she attempted to say it without him seeing it. In a way, it's not different for thinking badly about your parents mentally and it's not different from writing it in a diary.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;34679961]She didn't appreciate the dad or his gift, she just didn't appreciate his punishment. Ironically, she did respect him in a way. Instead of saying it rudely to his face, she attempted to say it without him seeing it. In a way, it's not different for thinking badly about your parents mentally and it's not different from writing it in a diary.[/QUOTE]
insulting some one in public is not respect, in any way. It would be more respectful to insult them directly to their face; at least then they could defend themselves. I would rather someone come up to me and yell insults in public than whisper them behind my back.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;34679961]She didn't appreciate the dad or his gift, she just didn't appreciate his punishment. Ironically, she did respect him, instead of saying it rudely to his face, she attempted to say it without him seeing it. In a way, it's not different for thinking badly about your parents mentally and it's not different from writing it in a diary.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, because a diary isn't public. This isn't her writing down her private thoughts about her parents (and a bit of angst there is perfectly normal and acceptable), but rather putting it out on Facebook for all of her friends to see. It's one thing to privately think ill of someone, but quite another to publicly insult them behind their back to anyone who will listen.
I'm not complaining about guns in general or their use or anything else so stay the hell out of that area, it isn't going to work. I entirely believe people have a right to possess firearms and don't think that doing so makes someone dangerous or violent. But what I do think makes someone violent is when they use one in an entirely unnecessary situation such as this, especially when there were many other more preferable and more effective measures that could have been taken. And yes, it is more violent than if he had broken it in either other way, he used a damn gun, something that is massively destructive and inherently dangerous, regardless of how safe it can be.
And comparing a gun to explosives isn't much of a step. Both are tools and, when handled properly, can be safe. The problem comes in when someone uses them in an improper way which is entirely disproportionate to the original cause. In my example, their use was based on similar conditions and achieved a similar effect through a similar process.
If you made that analogy, I'd ask for some sort of context and generally more detail because otherwise its just a half-finished analogy, one that is filled with too many holes to be readily understood.
[QUOTE=wakkydude;34635877]Respect has to be earned. If the child doesn't like something she should be allowed to SAY it. It's called free speech.[/QUOTE]
Yep, exactly. And your parents earn your respect when they feed, clothe, shelter and put up with your shit (Read "Your" as the shit as this girl, not you exactly.)
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34680009]I'm not complaining about guns in general or their use or anything else so stay the hell out of that area, it isn't going to work. I entirely believe people have a right to possess firearms and don't think that doing so makes someone dangerous or violent. But what I do think makes someone violent is when they use one in an entirely unnecessary situation such as this, especially when there were many other more preferable and more effective measures that could have been taken. And yes, it is more violent than if he had broken it in either other way, he used a damn gun, something that is massively destructive and inherently dangerous, regardless of how safe it can be.
And comparing a gun to explosives isn't much of a step. Both are tools and, when handled properly, can be safe. The problem comes in when someone uses them in an improper way which is entirely disproportionate to the original cause. In my example, their use was based on similar conditions and achieved a similar effect through a similar process.
If you made that analogy, I'd ask for some sort of context and generally more detail because otherwise its just a half-finished analogy, one that is filled with too many holes to be readily understood.[/QUOTE]
I guess we will have to agree to disagree, I don't know how we can continue to debate this when in the end it boils down to opinion. There is no answer that is 100% correct.
[QUOTE=catbarf;34679893]Would it be more acceptable if he hit it with a sledgehammer? Threw it from the roof? Tossed it in the garbage? Where is the arbitrary line drawn?[/QUOTE]Yes, all of those are more acceptable. The destruction of it is still unnecessary and displays some manner of violent tendency but it is entirely preferable to using something as destructive as a firearm.
[QUOTE]You're saying that because he owns and uses a gun he must be dangerous and unstable[/QUOTE]No, and quit making shit up like that, you embarrass yourself.
[QUOTE]and somehow you think that because he shot an inanimate object with a gun, he's so deranged he might actually shoot his own daughter. What the hell?[/QUOTE]Actually, I did not say that, I said the only thing the girl would learn is that her dad might shoot her. Big fucking difference buddy. I never stated that he might shoot her, but that his daughter now would have the idea that "Ohh god, dad might shoot me!"
[editline]13th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Craigewan;34680032]Yep, exactly. And your parents earn your respect when they feed, clothe, shelter and put up with your shit (Read "Your" as the shit as this girl, not you exactly.)[/QUOTE]I'd like to quickly point out that they are legally obligated to do these things unless they wish to put the child up for adoption.
Lol owned hahaha :D
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34680111]Yes, all of those are more acceptable. The destruction of it is still unnecessary and displays some manner of violent tendency but it is entirely preferable to using something as destructive as a firearm.[/QUOTE]
So where do you draw the line? Where does it become unacceptably violent?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34680111]No, and quit making shit up like that, you embarrass yourself.[/QUOTE]
That's a little hostile considering you're being rather inarticulate. Saying that the girl will learn her dad will shoot her isn't exactly clearly stating that you're talking about an erroneous perception, not a fact of her father's behavior.
I guess what you're trying to say is that the girl will incorrectly and irrationally think her father might shoot her, but at the same time you don't in any way believe that the dad is unstable and might actually do it. In which case, I have to ask how you know all this, especially given that children raised to treat guns responsibly don't usually freak out over this sort of thing.
[QUOTE=catbarf;34681516]So where do you draw the line? Where does it become unacceptably violent?[/QUOTE]About the time when you decide to shoot a laptop because your daughter spoke bad about you.
[QUOTE]That's a little hostile considering you're being rather inarticulate. Saying that the girl will learn her dad will shoot her isn't exactly clearly stating that you're talking about an erroneous perception, not a fact of her father's behavior.[/QUOTE]That's very clear, if you can't understand that then it is your problem, not mine.
[QUOTE]I guess what you're trying to say is that the girl will incorrectly and irrationally think her father might shoot her, but at the same time you don't in any way believe that the dad is unstable and might actually do it. In which case, I have to ask how you know all this, especially given that children raised to treat guns responsibly don't usually freak out over this sort of thing.[/QUOTE]I never said that she'd be incorrect or irrational either. People don't tend to feel very good about another person shooting something in direct relation to them. Second, I never said that I don't believe he wouldn't and I never said I believed he would, you're making shit up again. The way he reacted under the circumstances however does mean he could plausibly have more violent tendencies and responses.
Also, a child raised to treat firearms responsibly would still freak out over this. First of all virtually any child, regardless of their familiarity with firearms, will be bothered by the notion that another person shot something in direct relation to them (as I said previously), in this case her and the computer. Second of all he used a firearm in an irresponsible way clearly with the intention that she see it, so it doesn't matter if she is raised to treat firearms responsibly or not because her father failed to do so.
The father's totally in the right here. However, I can sympathize with the girl because sometimes I feel the same way about my family. My father is a authoritative parent as well. I believe this parenting style can ruin the relationship though. I feel that the girl was just frustrated and needed a place to vent her frustration, and it was, stupidly, facebook. Well, actually the girls kinda REALLY stupid because he said this was the second time this happened. She deserved what he did.
I really REALLY hate it when kids are unappreciative. I'm only a teenager myself, though I give the most respect to parents. They have one of the toughest jobs in the world, not only do they have to look after themselves they want to make sure your life is good too. If I ever have kids and they are unappreciative, I'm not going to give them anything or rather make them work for it and then see how they feel. One of the things that pissed me off the most was around Christmas time when all those unappreciative little fuckers kept complaining how they didn't get the latest iPhone. How pathetic.
Excluding the cases where the parents are actually dicks of course.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34680111]
I'd like to quickly point out that they are legally obligated to do these things unless they wish to put the child up for adoption.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I believe at 16 they are allowed to kick you out.
I respect what he did. My parents are pretty much the same except for the shooting of physical goods.
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