Father Shoots Daughter's Computer For Disrespectful Facebook Post
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[QUOTE=Le Pwnapple;34634848]That's a redneck right there.
Got a problem? Just shoot it.[/QUOTE]
So just because he has a Southern accent and a gun he's a redneck? This guy in the video is perfectly normal. The redneck stereotype is someone who is poor and stupid and lives down south.
[QUOTE=Le Pwnapple;34634848]That's a redneck right there.
Got a problem? Just shoot it.[/QUOTE]
if that where true he would've shot his daughter!
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34637922]Or he gets sick pleasure in destroying her property and humiliating her and sugar coats it in "I LOVE YOU AND CARE FOR YOU"
See how easily that can be turned around?[/QUOTE]
So should all parents be passive about their children's tendencies to be disrespectful? Because by your logic if he just had taken the laptop it'd also be theft of property.
In which case I could sue my parents over and over again.
God, you'd be an awful parent.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;34637626]Why so late in life? I turned 16 and immediately got out to applying. I didn't get my first job though until 17.[/QUOTE]
Well, for the same reason you don't get kids a job when they're 14 or 12. Let them enjoy life, focus on school work, not enough skills, etc.
[QUOTE=GoodStuff;34637910]I don't really see how the father is infringing on her 1st amendment. She got to make her statement, the father didn't demand to remove it from Facebook. The father is just pissed that he spent $130 the day before upgrading the laptop, buys her a ton of shit and still gets no respect.[/quote]
Say someone punches you in the face for having an opinion on something, something tells me you'd go "well, okay". Free speech has nothing to do with this?
It's her first amendment right to say what she feels and... well, that's the end of it.
[quote]The father is just expressing himself through a YouTube video, just like his daughter expressed herself through her Facebook status.[/quote]
by being a dick and destroying her property.
[quote]Absolutely true of course. But doesn't this mean that his daughter should be more grateful and less whiny about the things she gets, since she's fortunate that she has parents who do have a real job? She wouldn't have been able to take care of herself without them, so is it too much to ask for some respect?[/QUOTE]
Lets assume he really is as good as a parent as he says he is - okay, she should be more grateful.
however, simply put, she doesn't have to be.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;34637737]because this is [i]just like[/i] theft[/QUOTE]
Stop having so many standards about analogies.
The point is, you can't say something is fine because no one is injured. That's what he's trying to communicate. He never said that theft is the same as this. He's just saying that IT'S NOT ALWAYS FINE JUST BECAUSE NO ONE WAS HURT.
Anyways, I honestly don't think that destroying her computer and then making it "a whole lot harder" is a way to deal with a naturally rebellious teenager. Anyone who says anything about masculinity is just being an insecure cunt with no idea how to accept others' opinions.
I came into this thread about to be like what a waste and what not and how crazy...
But shit. That man deserves a lot of kudos. I loved that he shot the computer now. He bought it and did the work on it so he can do what he wants with it... and shooting it is just damn fun and probably released some aggression and just damn awesome way to get a message across.
Bravo man, from a 19 yr old kid... bravo.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34637905]Erm, I don't need to bring up the god damn law when it is oh so painfully obvious that the First Amendment is only there to protect people from prosecution by legal arms. A persons parents are not a legal arm so the parents can do whatever they want in response to what she says (as long as what they do does not infringe other laws of course)[/QUOTE]
Again, prove this to me. Just saying "WELL I DON'T THINK" isn't exactly irrefutable proof.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638009]Say someone punches you in the face for having an opinion on something, something tells me you'd go "well, okay". Free speech has nothing to do with this?
It's her first amendment right to say what she feels and... well, that's the end of it.
by being a dick and destroying her property.
Lets assume he really is as good as a parent as he says he is - okay, she should be more grateful.
however, simply put, she doesn't have to be.[/QUOTE]
The first amendment protects you from being legally prosecuted by the state. Being punched in the face for your opinion would not come under an infringement of the first amendment, that would come under a charge of assault.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638009]
by being a dick and destroying her property.
[/QUOTE]
NOT HER PROPERTY.
He bought it. He can shoot it.
Get your head out of your ass.
[QUOTE=King of Limbs;34638027]I came into this thread about to be like what a waste and what not and how crazy...
But shit. That man deserves a lot of kudos. I loved that he shot the computer now. He bought it and did the work on it so he can do what he wants with it... and shooting it is just damn fun and probably released some aggression and just damn awesome way to get a message across.
Bravo man, from a 19 yr old kid... bravo.[/QUOTE]
By that logic, a company is owned by the owner, he can do what he wants and there's no problem if he wants to fire everybody.
[QUOTE=King of Limbs;34638027]I came into this thread about to be like what a waste and what not and how crazy...
But shit. That man deserves a lot of kudos. I loved that he shot the computer now. He bought it and did the work on it so he can do what he wants with it... and shooting it is just damn fun and probably released some aggression and just damn awesome way to get a message across.
Bravo man, from a 19 yr old kid... bravo.[/QUOTE]
If you have to release aggression by shooting your daughters property, you're probably a really shitty father.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638034]Again, prove this to me. Just saying "WELL I DON'T THINK" isn't exactly irrefutable proof.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck do you want me to god damn do? Get a fucking lawyer to talk it through with you?
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638009]Say someone punches you in the face for having an opinion on something, something tells me you'd go "well, okay". Free speech has nothing to do with this?
It's her first amendment right to say what she feels and... well, that's the end of it.[/quote]
hahahahaha this is a fucking terrible analogy
punching someone in the face is assault. destroying a laptop that you purchased for your child to use in order to teach her a lesson that respecting people yields positive results is not illegal.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638009]Lets assume he really is as good as a parent as he says he is - okay, she should be more grateful.
however, simply put, she doesn't have to be.[/QUOTE]
there's no "law" saying she has to be grateful but it's common fucking sense
[QUOTE=King of Limbs;34638052]NOT HER PROPERTY.
He bought it. He can shoot it.
Get your head out of your ass.[/QUOTE]
A gift is a legal term, he followed the parameters of providing a gift, so therefore, it is her property.
His daughter is an ungratefull bitch.
Had it coming.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638079]A gift is a legal term, he followed the parameters of providing a gift, so therefore, it is her property.[/QUOTE]
He's also her legal guardian so he technically has the right to do that with her property.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;34638072]hahahahaha this is a fucking terrible analogy
punching someone in the face is assault. destroying a laptop that you purchased for your child to use in order to teach her a lesson that respecting people yields positive results is not illegal. [/quote]
By that logic, destroying someone else's property can be constituted as destruction of property. So in that case, the assault, which it isn't, it's called battery, is a good analogy.
[quote]there's no "law" saying she has to be grateful but it's common fucking sense[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, brb, going to a court room and imposing 'common sense' into everything. That's an INCREDIBLE way of running a legal system, protocol7, you should be a lawyer. Granted you'd be humiliated in seconds, but hey, you'd get down the nitty gritty! That manners are to be legally bound!
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34638116]He's also her legal guardian so he technically has the right to do that with her property.[/QUOTE]
This is the third time I'm asking, tell me where the legal guardian part comes into this. Where does it say legal guardians own your property.
I hope the dad just said "Oh hey, check out this youtube video" in a chill voice one day after the girl got home from school, then proceeded to show her this.
The reaction would have been brilliant
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638079]A gift is a legal term, he followed the parameters of providing a gift, so therefore, it is her property.[/QUOTE]
Do you know how gifting works?
There is a transfer of ownership. See, when you give a deed to someone, there's paperwork that's involved when the other person accepts the deed, making them legally his.
In this case, the laptop was, in legal eyes, a purchase made by the father with the intent of her using. She does not have any paperwork demonstrating that the laptop is her legal property. The father carries the proof of purchase that can legally demonstrate that the laptop is his property.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;34637986]So should all parents be passive about their children's tendencies to be disrespectful?[/QUOTE]
uh no, how about you
and this is going to be fucking ground breaking okay? I don't think anyone has ever done this, EVER
okay you ready?
alright
how about
and this is insane
how about they talk to her first.
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34638172]I'm sorry that I don't have a book of law with the exact article that covers this, I thought this was fucking common knowledge but clearly in your case it isn't.[/QUOTE]
It's not "common knowledge" if there are countless and pointless exceptions.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638126]
This is the third time I'm asking, tell me where the legal guardian part comes into this. Where does it say legal guardians own your property.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry that I don't have a book of law with the exact article that covers this, I thought this was fucking common knowledge but clearly in your case it isn't.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638126]By that logic, destroying someone else's property can be constituted as destruction of property. So in that case, the assault, which it isn't, it's called battery, is a good analogy. [/quote]
Is your argument really based on the fact that I used the wrong term? Hello, liberal arts major
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638126]Fair enough, brb, going to a court room and imposing 'common sense' into everything. That's an INCREDIBLE way of running a legal system, protocol7, you should be a lawyer. Granted you'd be humiliated in seconds, but hey, you'd get down the nitty gritty! That manners are to be legally bound![/quote]
I never said anything about respect being something that can be legally enforced. You're an idiot who's plucking at straws.
[editline]10th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638171]uh no, how about you
and this is going to be fucking ground breaking okay? I don't think anyone has ever done this, EVER
okay you ready?
alright
how about
and this is insane
how about they talk to her first..[/QUOTE]
you're going to be an awful parent
"talking" NEVER works.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;34638162]Do you know how gifting works?
There is a transfer of ownership. See, when you give a deed to someone, there's paperwork that's involved when the other person accepts the deed, making them legally his.[/quote]
A deed is one of the ways to transfer ownership. Two seconds of research, and I know this whole concept of knowing what you're talking about is absolutely burdening on your head:
# lifetime gifts (inter vivos gift, donatio inter vivos) - a gift of a present or future interest made and delivered in the donor's lifetime; or
* outright - made free of any restrictions, such as being subject to a trust;
* onerous - made with a burden or obligation imposed on the donee; or
* remunerative - made to compensate for services rendered
[quote]In this case, the laptop was, in legal eyes, a purchase made by the father with the intent of her using. She does not have any paperwork demonstrating that the laptop is her legal property. The father carries the proof of purchase that can legally demonstrate that the laptop is his property.[/QUOTE]
This would be all peachy if you actually knew what the fuck you were talking about.
[editline]10th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Protocol7;34638201]Is your argument really based on the fact that I used the wrong term? Hello, liberal arts major[/quote]
Did you seriously pick out ONE part of my post? It was a correction. But that's okay, completely ignore the other parts of my post and pick out what you don't like.
[quote]I never said anything about respect being something that can be legally enforced. You're an idiot who's plucking at straws.[/quote]
Then your argument has no merit, what so fucking ever.
[quote]you're going to be an awful parent
"talking" NEVER works.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, yeah it does. Quite a bit actually.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638009]Say someone punches you in the face for having an opinion on something, something tells me you'd go "well, okay". Free speech has nothing to do with this?
It's her first amendment right to say what she feels and... well, that's the end of it.
[/QUOTE]
I do not understand what you are trying to argue. I simply said I don't see how the father is infringing on her 1st amendment. Doesn't the father also have the same right to the 1st amendment? Because that's what he is exercising in the video. I never said the daughter shouldn't be denied her rights. Your argument does not seem to apply here. Laptops don't have rights (they're non-living) and the 1st amendment doesn't apply to it. The dad can shoot it all he wants. That's the only physical act that was performed in this situation. Another person such as me as you propose in your argument, does however have rights, so when you punch them for an opinion there is a problem.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638009]
Lets assume he really is as good as a parent as he says he is - okay, she should be more grateful.
however, simply put, she doesn't have to be.[/QUOTE]
Of course she doesn't have to, but she should if she wants to keep the laptop and other stuff. He did buy the laptop and spend $130 upgrading it. The next day, she talks shit about her dad. This is the real problem. If the daughter wasn't so disrespectful, none of this stuff would have happened. Laptops, gadgets and stuff are not rights and you don't get them for free, they're privileges. If she expects to keep her laptop, cameras, etc., without working and paying for it, she should be more respectful to her parents. Otherwise, you're simply just spoiled.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638171]
It's not "common knowledge" if there are countless and pointless exceptions.[/QUOTE]
What exceptions? When was the last time you heard of a 12 year old taking his parents to court on theft charges because they took his xbox away? I really shouldn't even need to argue this.
I am surprised at the people saying it is her right to insult other people, just because something is not illegal does not mean a parent can not punish you for it. If a teenager is old enough to be free of the rules of their household they are old enough to get a job and support themselves. If you want to get privileges then you follow the rules.
She had already been grounded for this, she continued the behavior so she received a harsher punishment.
You do know that children do not legally own their property until they turn 18, correct?
[QUOTE=imptastick;34638296]I am surprised at the people saying it is her right to insult other people, just because something is not illegal does not mean a parent can not punish you for it. If a teenager is old enough to be free of the rules of their household they are old enough to get a job and support themselves. If you want to get privileges then you follow the rules.
She had already been grounded for this, she continued the behavior so she received a harsher punishment.[/QUOTE]
It is her right to insult others,she's free to make negative observations as she pleases, hell, perhaps not that harshly, but she has the right to do it. And hell, we could start a big fight about whether insults are even different from standard wording.
And just because you're capable of enforcing a rule doesn't mean you should. Why should I need to follow a set of rules to get the benefits? What I mean is that just because they enforce that trade (benefit-rule) doesn't mean they should.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;34638370]You do know that children do not legally own their property until they turn 18, correct?[/QUOTE]
The only legality when it comes to being a legal child is guardianship and specifics, like alcohol consumption, military, smoking etc. Unless they're an emancipated adult too. Property is not part of guardianship. Because you're implying, regardless if the child bought it with their own money or not, they do not have the right to own it and that's pretty stupid to say.
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