Father Shoots Daughter's Computer For Disrespectful Facebook Post
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[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;34638387]It is her right to insult others,she's free to make negative observations as she pleases, hell, perhaps not that harshly, but she has the right to do it. And hell, we could start a big fight about whether insults are even different from standard wording.
And just because you're capable of enforcing a rule doesn't mean you should. Why should I need to follow a set of rules to get the benefits? What I mean is that just because they enforce that trade (benefit-rule) doesn't mean they should.[/QUOTE]
If a teenager breaks a rule and is disrespectful to her family and the lady who cleans the house, she should not get to keep her laptop/phone/etc.
There is a difference between grounding your child for being disrespectful and denying their rights. She should not be respecting her parents so she can use her laptop; she should be doing it because it is the RIGHT thing to do. People expect to be rewarded for not being an jerk.
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;34638387]It is her right to insult others,she's free to make negative observations as she pleases, hell, perhaps not that harshly, but she has the right to do it. And hell, we could start a big fight about whether insults are even different from standard wording.
And just because you're capable of enforcing a rule doesn't mean you should. Why should I need to follow a set of rules to get the benefits? What I mean is that just because they enforce that trade (benefit-rule) doesn't mean they should.[/QUOTE]
She's free to be a bitch and say horrible things about her parents. He is free to punish his daughter by taking away something he bought for her and spent even more money upgrading.
It's called punishment, it's not like he beat her or anything, so I don't get what the fuck you all are complaining about. She misbehaved, she was punished. That's how childhood works.
I work even if I'm not forced to, but because I feel like I should, I comply with all my daily chores, I study and then I still do all the hobbies I like to keep, and I still find my life amazingly easy and good.
Fucking lil' brat had it coming.
[QUOTE=Bentham;34638461]She's free to be a bitch and say horrible things about her parents. He is free to punish his daughter by taking away something he bought for her and spent even more money upgrading.[/quote]
No he's not, because he extended it as a gift to her and it is her property.
[quote]It's called punishment, it's not like he beat her or anything, so I don't get what the fuck you all are complaining about. She misbehaved, she was punished. That's how childhood works.[/QUOTE]
It's fucking draconian is what it is.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638480]No he's not, because he extended it as a gift to her and it is her property.
It's fucking draconian is what it is.[/QUOTE]
Do you even know what draconian punishment is?
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638480]No he's not, because he extended it as a gift to her and it is her property.
It's fucking draconian is what it is.[/QUOTE]
You think that if your parents are nice to you you deserve it and nothing needs to be done in return? People who complain and feel entitled without earning things or trying to do something in exchange are dicks.
Do you suggest kids should never be punished? People are raising their children to assume that the world owes them something for nothing, reality will hit them hard.
He shoulda got his shotgun, or did a real First Person shot
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34638536]Do you even know what draconian punishment is?[/QUOTE]
Small offences with heavy punishments.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638555]Small offences with heavy punishments.[/QUOTE]
Small offenses like insulting and slandering others online, with heavy punishments like taking away a laptop?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34638536]Do you even know what draconian punishment is?[/QUOTE]
what purpose does this response serve other than to incite an argument
Dra·co·ni·an
adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Draco or his code of laws.
2.
rigorous; unusually severe or cruel: Draconian forms of punishment.
shooting a laptop is a pointlessly wasteful and violent punishment for something as petty as this
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34637801]boo fucking hoo, she made a comment. It's still HER criticism and it's still HER right to say it. It doesn't fucking matter what you think.[/QUOTE]
She made a comment on how unfair her parents were while she was the one being unfair to her parents.
[QUOTE=imptastick;34638459]If a teenager breaks a rule and is disrespectful to her family and the lady who cleans the house, she should not get to keep her laptop/phone/etc.
There is a difference between grounding your child for being disrespectful and denying their rights. She should not be respecting her parents so she can use her laptop; she should be doing it because it is the RIGHT thing to do. People expect to be rewarded for not being an jerk.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your last statement but I disagree with the first. Rules should not be enforced without council with the child, many times their ideas are worth-while and should be implemented. My point is the "my house, my rules" mentality does not have proper foundations.
[QUOTE=Bentham;34638461]She's free to be a bitch and say horrible things about her parents. He is free to punish his daughter by taking away something he bought for her and spent even more money upgrading.
It's called punishment, it's not like he beat her or anything, so I don't get what the fuck you all are complaining about. She misbehaved, she was punished. That's how childhood works.[/QUOTE]
Well, just because this isn't physical, it doesn't mean it isn't debatable, there's a reason you'll disagree if I say that beating your children as punishment is okay, since it isn't rape or slavery or something, there are degrees of punishments.
And I don't think know why one would imply the other, punishment is a very iffy way of correction.
[QUOTE=imptastick;34638551]You think that if your parents are nice to you you deserve it and nothing needs to be done in return? People who complain and feel entitled without earning things or trying to do something in exchange are dicks.[/quote]
The child should respect their parents if the parents earn it and vice versa, but that's their business.
[quote]Do you suggest kids should never be punished? People are raising their children to assume that the world owes them something for nothing, reality will hit them hard.[/QUOTE]
I suggest you talk to your kids like human beings, not treat them like YOUR property. Be a parent, don't fucking destroy things they own because they made a negative comment about you on fucking facebook.
Wish this happened to all the brats who whined about getting the wrong colour car etc.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638458]The only legality when it comes to being a legal child is guardianship and specifics, like alcohol consumption, military, smoking etc. Unless they're an emancipated adult too. Property is not part of guardianship. Because you're implying, regardless if the child bought it with their own money or not, they do not have the right to own it and that's pretty stupid to say.[/QUOTE]
I just did some reading on North Carolina guardianship rights. Mr. Jordan lives near Albemarle, NC. So, a bit of research tells me that, legally, unless the child is emancipated, the property is owned by the parents in trust of the minor. The minor becomes the owner of the property in the trust when they turn 18.
So, being 15, it's the parents property in trust of their daughter.
[QUOTE=wakkydude;34635877]Respect has to be earned. If the child doesn't like something she should be allowed to SAY it. It's called free speech.[/QUOTE]
That's a horrible argument.
She shouldn't complain for having to do chores.
[QUOTE=imptastick;34638589]Small offenses like insulting and slandering others online, with heavy punishments like taking away a laptop?[/QUOTE]
small offence: negative comment
Heavy punishment: Public humiliation and completely destroying her laptop.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638611]The child should respect their parents if the parents earn it and vice versa, but that's their business.
I suggest you talk to your kids like human beings, not treat them like YOUR property. Be a parent, don't fucking destroy things they own because they made a negative comment about you on fucking facebook.[/QUOTE]
You understand that this isn't just about the facebook post, right? He spent half the video talking about how she is just a generally unruly child.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638611]The child should respect their parents if the parents earn it and vice versa, but that's their business.
I suggest you talk to your kids like human beings, not treat them like YOUR property. Be a parent, don't fucking destroy things they own because they made a negative comment about you on fucking facebook.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter if they say shit about you on Facebook or not. It's still disrespectful and I'd venture to say the father did what he deemed necessary to ensure she respects him. It's his responsibility to develop respect and those kinds of traits in his children the way he sees fit.
[QUOTE=Zacca;34638642]That's a horrible argument.
She shouldn't complain for having to do chores.[/QUOTE]
And it isn't even chores, that's the best part. Making your bed, doing your own laundry, those are just things you should do. It's not like she's being asked to clean up after other people, other than wiping off the counters, which should be clean anyway.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;34638612]Wish this happened to all the brats who whined about getting the wrong colour car etc.[/QUOTE]
Well, I don't see why they shouldn't, I mean, it's a negative thing. it's not about whether they whine or not, it's about how harshly they do so. A facebook post is harmless, it's just the vocalization of the complaint. And hell, it's even more justified to whine about getting a car with wrong things than something cheap, the car's going to be a lot harder to replace.:v:
[QUOTE=Protocol7;34638634]I just did some reading on North Carolina guardianship rights. Mr. Jordan lives near Albemarle, NC. So, a bit of research tells me that, legally, unless the child is emancipated, the property is owned by the parents in trust of the minor. The minor becomes the owner of the property in the trust when they turn 18.
So, being 15, it's the parents property in trust of their daughter.[/QUOTE]
is this including items the child purchases using their owned money?
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638611]The child should respect their parents if the parents earn it and vice versa, but that's their business.
I suggest you talk to your kids like human beings, not treat them like YOUR property. Be a parent, don't fucking destroy things they own because they made a negative comment about you on fucking facebook.[/QUOTE]
He stated that they had discussed it, and she had been grounded before. He did something nice for her by upgrading her computer and then she went online and disrespected him again.
I stated on the first page he should not have shot it, but she did deserve to have it taken away.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;34638660]Doesn't matter if they say shit about you on Facebook or not. It's still disrespectful and I'd venture to say the father did what he deemed necessary to ensure she respects him. It's his responsibility to develop respect and those kinds of traits in his children the way he sees fit.[/QUOTE]
Everything else aside, it's pretty stupid too. Because now the daughter is REALLY not going to respect him.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638682]is this including items the child purchases using their owned money?[/QUOTE]
That has no bearing she did not buy the laptop
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638682]is this including items the child purchases using their owned money?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but does it matter? A 15 year old doesn't have the money to buy their own laptop.
And from watching the video, which you clearly didn't, I don't think anyone was about to give this kid $300.
Besides, legal tender is still property. Property with which a minor can not own until they are 18.
[QUOTE=imptastick;34638687]He stated that they had discussed it, and she had been grounded before. He did something nice for her by upgrading her computer and then she went online and disrespected him again.
I stated on the first page he should not have shot it, but she did deserve to have it taken away.[/QUOTE]
Take it away for a month or two, less/more whatever. That's a fair punishment. But to completely destroy it and put it on youtube? Not only is he a horrendous parent, it was fucking unnecessary.
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[QUOTE=Protocol7;34638703]Yes, but does it matter? A 15 year old doesn't have the money to buy their own laptop.[/quote]
I bought my xbox with my own money when I was 15.
[quote]And from watching the video, which you clearly didn't, I don't think anyone was about to give this kid $300.[/QUOTE]
That's all speculative.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638716]Take it away for a month or two, less/more whatever. That's a fair punishment. But to completely destroy it and put it on youtube? Not only is he a horrendous parent, it was fucking unnecessary.[/QUOTE]
By your standards he is. The problem is you are arguing a completely subjective view, which can't be proven one way or another, because that's how he raises his child. She is fed, taken care of, and clearly her father was willing to buy her nice things and make sure she was taken care of.
Wasn't your xbox or your money when you were 15.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34638716]Take it away for a month or two, less/more whatever. That's a fair punishment. But to completely destroy it and put it on youtube? Not only is he a horrendous parent, it was fucking unnecessary.[/QUOTE]
He had already taken it away for a few months, it did not work so he took it away completely.
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